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« on: June 13, 2017, 01:37:47 PM »

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If it happens, US national parks will become Disney lands.  More consumerism.  Yay.
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« Reply #1 on: June 13, 2017, 01:48:24 PM »

What exactly is wrong with this besides "muh consumerist culture?"
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« Reply #2 on: June 13, 2017, 01:55:02 PM »

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If it happens, US national parks will become Disney lands.  More consumerism.  Yay.
now I'm not saying you or the Western Values Project are wrong here, I have no idea....but they are very clearly a biased source.  I just want to know what answer a lefty will except as an acceptable defense next time I use a clearly biased source for something. Smiley So...what you got?
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« Reply #3 on: June 13, 2017, 01:59:08 PM »

What exactly is wrong with this besides "muh consumerist culture?"

Because we've already done enough to make enjoying the fruits of God's earth a commodity?  Same reasons I'm against deforestation and unchecked economic "growth."

Article is too short to quote an excerpt.

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If it happens, US national parks will become Disney lands.  More consumerism.  Yay.
now I'm not saying you or the Western Values Project are wrong here, I have no idea....but they are very clearly a biased source.  I just want to know what answer a lefty will except as an acceptable defense next time I use a clearly biased source for something. Smiley So...what you got?

I actually wanted to post the article that the site was quoting, but it had a subscription wall in the way.  I also found the page on a Facebook share.  And I'm posting a whole bunch of sht on multiple sites and didn't want to bother finding a better source.  That's my excuse.
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« Reply #4 on: June 13, 2017, 02:49:20 PM »

What exactly is wrong with this besides "muh consumerist culture?"
Of course.
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« Reply #5 on: June 13, 2017, 02:50:43 PM »

The correct thing to do would be to outlaw frontcountry "camping" and just build hotels over the campsites.
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« Reply #6 on: June 13, 2017, 02:56:40 PM »

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If it happens, US national parks will become Disney lands.  More consumerism.  Yay.
now I'm not saying you or the Western Values Project are wrong here, I have no idea....but they are very clearly a biased source.  I just want to know what answer a lefty will except as an acceptable defense next time I use a clearly biased source for something. Smiley So...what you got?

Calling you on your B.S. deflection instead of addressing the issue at hand - because you've' got nothing.

A trivial amount of googling would demonstrate that (unlike stories often posted by Trumptards) the basic fact that Zinke has suggested privatizing National Park camping is not in dispute.

There is a vast amount of evidence both that the free market is not always a good choice for managing resources held in common, and even more that in the modern US "privatization" (particularly from the GOP) is best translated as "crappy results with rent extraction for the well-connected".





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« Reply #7 on: June 13, 2017, 03:50:10 PM »

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If it happens, US national parks will become Disney lands.  More consumerism.  Yay.

Have you ever been to Disneyland? I assume not, because it's fantastic.
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« Reply #8 on: June 13, 2017, 03:59:50 PM »

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If it happens, US national parks will become Disney lands.  More consumerism.  Yay.

Have you ever been to Disneyland? I assume not, because it's fantastic.

I went to Disney World twice as, like, an infant.  Nice place from what I remember, but I wouldn't want it on public lands.
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« Reply #9 on: June 13, 2017, 05:42:44 PM »

If you're so concerned about humans and corporations ruining creation (a valid concern), why let people into the National Parks to begin with? It's not like a privatized camp ground is going to be any cleaner than the current ones.
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« Reply #10 on: June 13, 2017, 05:55:04 PM »

If you're so concerned about humans and corporations ruining creation (a valid concern), why let people into the National Parks to begin with? It's not like a privatized camp ground is going to be any cleaner than the current ones.

Did you post in the wrong thread? Or did you just want to put up one of these:

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« Reply #11 on: June 13, 2017, 05:58:15 PM »

If you're so concerned about humans and corporations ruining creation (a valid concern), why let people into the National Parks to begin with? It's not like a privatized camp ground is going to be any cleaner than the current ones.

Because I don't want to see hotels and amusement parks or attractions popping up around throughout these areas, and I sure as hell don't want these lands being sold off for mining and drilling.  How much leeway are corporations (which obviously pollute far more than your family of four camping out in the mountains) going to have assuming these lands are, in fact, privatized?
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« Reply #12 on: June 13, 2017, 07:27:01 PM »

What exactly is wrong with this besides "muh consumerist culture?"

Because many of us want an escape from the numbing commercialism that defines almost every aspect of mass life in America! That's one of the reasons to go to a national park or a state park (and some related areas).
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« Reply #13 on: June 13, 2017, 07:27:50 PM »

What exactly is wrong with this besides "muh consumerist culture?"

True conservatism right hurr.
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« Reply #14 on: June 13, 2017, 07:29:15 PM »

As women say in China, "I'd rather cry in the back of a BMW than laugh on the back of a bicycle."
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« Reply #15 on: June 13, 2017, 07:30:31 PM »

What exactly is wrong with this besides "muh consumerist culture?"

Because many of us want an escape from the numbing commercialism that defines almost every aspect of mass life in America! That's one of the reasons to go to a national park or a state park (and some related areas).
People go camping to take part in nature in the day and get drunk by a fire at night. That isn't going to change under private ownership.
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« Reply #16 on: June 13, 2017, 07:49:39 PM »

What exactly is wrong with this besides "muh consumerist culture?"

Because many of us want an escape from the numbing commercialism that defines almost every aspect of mass life in America! That's one of the reasons to go to a national park or a state park (and some related areas).

People go camping to take part in nature in the day and get drunk by a fire at night. That isn't going to change under private ownership.

I expect to see Budweiser and Coca-Cola cans, meat wrappers that say "Eckrich" or "Oscar Meyer", and legible clothing at such a site. If I can't get enough of Disney characters, then I might just go to Di$neyland... where there are no campfires that could burn the fake tail feathers of someone dressed up as Donald Duck.
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« Reply #17 on: June 13, 2017, 10:28:42 PM »

Privatization iz gud, privatization iz grate.
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« Reply #18 on: June 13, 2017, 11:02:34 PM »

What exactly is wrong with this besides "muh consumerist culture?"

Because many of us want an escape from the numbing commercialism that defines almost every aspect of mass life in America! That's one of the reasons to go to a national park or a state park (and some related areas).

People go camping to take part in nature in the day and get drunk by a fire at night. That isn't going to change under private ownership.

I expect to see Budweiser and Coca-Cola cans, meat wrappers that say "Eckrich" or "Oscar Meyer", and legible clothing at such a site. If I can't get enough of Disney characters, then I might just go to Di$neyland... where there are no campfires that could burn the fake tail feathers of someone dressed up as Donald Duck.
I think you guys are starting to go insane. I literally can't fathom how bad your experiences at private campsites must have been. Then again I don't think Atlas goes outside to begin with.

Like seriously what do you guys fear so much? That they'll tear down the trees and build a water park?
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« Reply #19 on: June 13, 2017, 11:02:47 PM »

One of the nice places about the parks is that they're one of the few places where everyone is equal. Everyone drives up, picks a campsite, walks the trails the same way irrespective of race or class.

I can't wait to see airline-style deluxe camping packages where your family can get bubble baths and take pictures with Smokey the Bear for 12x normal price.
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« Reply #20 on: June 13, 2017, 11:03:46 PM »

What exactly is wrong with this besides "muh consumerist culture?"

Because many of us want an escape from the numbing commercialism that defines almost every aspect of mass life in America! That's one of the reasons to go to a national park or a state park (and some related areas).

People go camping to take part in nature in the day and get drunk by a fire at night. That isn't going to change under private ownership.

I expect to see Budweiser and Coca-Cola cans, meat wrappers that say "Eckrich" or "Oscar Meyer", and legible clothing at such a site. If I can't get enough of Disney characters, then I might just go to Di$neyland... where there are no campfires that could burn the fake tail feathers of someone dressed up as Donald Duck.
I think you guys are starting to go insane. I literally can't fathom how bad your experiences at private campsites must have been. Then again I don't think Atlas goes outside to begin with.

It isn't just a private campsite - it's a monopolistic contractor given access to a unique brand. They have incentive to capitalize on the brand and to exploit campers.
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« Reply #21 on: June 13, 2017, 11:38:31 PM »

Look, it comes down to a simple matter of trust and values. Do we believe for one second this Administration gives a flying s*** about the environment or making campgrounds route to Vliet pristine and not over developed areas as opposed to offering contracts and business deals to cronies and campaign contributors? The obvious answer based on everything every prominent Republican has campaigned on in the last decade, plus everything Donald Trump has said or done since the day he was born, absolutely indicates no.

To paraphrase Dead Man From Another Thread about privatizing Air Traffic Control, this Administration might occasionally by accident stumble on ideas that aren't entirely bad, but I wouldn't trust Trump to organize a picnic let alone privatization of a significant government function.
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« Reply #22 on: June 14, 2017, 09:16:00 AM »

What exactly is wrong with this besides "muh consumerist culture?"

Because many of us want an escape from the numbing commercialism that defines almost every aspect of mass life in America! That's one of the reasons to go to a national park or a state park (and some related areas).

People go camping to take part in nature in the day and get drunk by a fire at night. That isn't going to change under private ownership.

I expect to see Budweiser and Coca-Cola cans, meat wrappers that say "Eckrich" or "Oscar Meyer", and legible clothing at such a site. If I can't get enough of Disney characters, then I might just go to Di$neyland... where there are no campfires that could burn the fake tail feathers of someone dressed up as Donald Duck.
I think you guys are starting to go insane. I literally can't fathom how bad your experiences at private campsites must have been. Then again I don't think Atlas goes outside to begin with.

Like seriously what do you guys fear so much? That they'll tear down the trees and build a water park?

There's a "Jellystone Park", complete with water-slide, near where I live. It has Hanna-Barbera characters (including "Yogi Bear")  But it is near the meeting of two Interstates in a rural area where people  have only one connection to nature: the harsh Dfa climate of the Corn Belt which has sultry summers and brutal winters. It could be a fun place to go, but comparing it to camping  in such a place as Isle Royale National Park or Great Smoky Mountains National Park (which are similarly far away) is very dissimilar.

Farming is unnatural, even if it is necessary. (Oh, is it necessary. Ask yourself whether your electronic gadgets or food is more important to you.  So long as you have food, you might buy some electronic gadget. But lose food security and you might abandon your electronic gadgets.

"Jellystone Park" might offer more fun than one of the chain motels near the Interstate interchange, but it is no more camping in nature than dining at Bob Evans is  an elite experience., even if Bob Evans has more atmosphere than Burger King.     
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