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« on: June 14, 2017, 12:36:27 PM »
« edited: June 14, 2017, 12:41:48 PM by YL »

Following the resignation of Tim Farron.

Other than Farron, they only have three MPs who were actually re-elected last week; all others gained seats.  They are
Norman Lamb (North Norfolk)
Alistair Carmichael (Orkney & Shetland)
Tom Brake (Carshalton & Wallington)

MPs who had been MPs before and regained seats are
Vince Cable (Twickenham)
Ed Davey (Kingston & Surbiton)
Jo Swinson (East Dunbartonshire)
Stephen Lloyd (Eastbourne)

Their other four MPs are new and are presumably not likely candidates.
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« Reply #1 on: June 14, 2017, 01:09:25 PM »
« Edited: June 14, 2017, 01:12:59 PM by Blair »

For once I didn't get the news from Twitter/Guardian as this was the first I'd seen of it... seems clear that Farron was given a visit by the men in the yellow suits (if they exist for the Lib Dems)

I expect Norman Lamb or Brake will go for deputy leader, and Cable and Swinson for leader. Unless deals have already been made.

This whole thing does reek of a coup- especially with Packhams resignation this morning that explicitly mentioned LGBT rights

Edit: For all his faults Farron was on the left of the party. If it's Cable v Swinson it's coalition v coalition
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« Reply #2 on: June 14, 2017, 01:11:09 PM »

Kind of seems like an odd move, didn't lib dems do better than most expected?
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« Reply #3 on: June 14, 2017, 01:13:46 PM »

It'll probably be Swinson or Davey. Cable might get it though if the party expects another general election within eighteen months (that's one of the reasons why Campbell got it).
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« Reply #4 on: June 14, 2017, 01:18:12 PM »

Kind of seems like an odd move, didn't lib dems do better than most expected?

I think the general feeling is that the Lib Dems did better in spite of Farron.
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« Reply #5 on: June 14, 2017, 01:22:22 PM »

Would Carmichael be a good choice, considering his seat is probably the safest Lib Dem seat, allowing him to spend more time campaigning for other Lib Dems rather than defending his own seat (unlike Farron who almost lost in Westmorland)
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« Reply #6 on: June 14, 2017, 01:37:31 PM »

Farron saying being LibDem leader was impossible considering his christian faith.

it's going to be strong and stable with Vince Cable innit?

I think the LibDem are uncertain how to move forward, it seems the metro seats aren't going to return to their pre-2015 quantities, but also rural seats in Wales\Devon\Cornwall aren't looking the better prospect atm
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« Reply #7 on: June 14, 2017, 01:48:19 PM »

Damn, Cable is 74. Isn't that a bit too old to become leader, especially if there isn't a GE until 2020-2022?
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« Reply #8 on: June 14, 2017, 02:22:58 PM »

Damn, Cable is 74. Isn't that a bit too old to become leader, especially if there isn't a GE until 2020-2022?
Corbyn is also a geezer, anyway there is no risk of Cable forming a government...
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« Reply #9 on: June 14, 2017, 02:26:20 PM »

Farron saying being LibDem leader was impossible considering his christian faith.

The fact that statements like this are being tossed around casually and without apparent attention to the implications is deeply disconcerting.
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« Reply #10 on: June 14, 2017, 02:32:02 PM »

Damn, Cable is 74. Isn't that a bit too old to become leader, especially if there isn't a GE until 2020-2022?

It will be Swinson with Cable as advisor (or "consigliere") if they take that route.
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« Reply #11 on: June 14, 2017, 03:22:32 PM »

Following the resignation of Tim Farron.

Other than Farron, they only have three MPs who were actually re-elected last week; all others gained seats.  They are
Norman Lamb (North Norfolk)
Alistair Carmichael (Orkney & Shetland)
Tom Brake (Carshalton & Wallington)

MPs who had been MPs before and regained seats are
Vince Cable (Twickenham)
Ed Davey (Kingston & Surbiton)
Jo Swinson (East Dunbartonshire)
Stephen Lloyd (Eastbourne)

Their other four MPs are new and are presumably not likely candidates.

Out of these, Lloyd is the only one who voted against raising tuition fees, so it's clear who my favourite is.
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« Reply #12 on: June 14, 2017, 03:23:23 PM »

Farron saying being LibDem leader was impossible considering his christian faith.

The fact that statements like this are being tossed around casually and without apparent attention to the implications is deeply disconcerting.

But not surprising I'm afraid. Anticlericalism seems much stronger there than the rest of the Anglosphere.
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« Reply #13 on: June 14, 2017, 03:31:19 PM »

It seems to me that Farron, to minimise damage to his political campaign, was pushed further than he was comfortable with to publicly explain his religious views and still did not satisfy his political rivals.

Carmichael would have been a potential leader except for his ill advised anonymous and untrue smear against Nicola Sturgeon in the 2015 election, which led to an election petition being brought against him. Although Mr Carmichael retained his seat, his evidence has enabled Scottish Nationalist bloggers to take great delight in describing him as a "self confessed liar".

There is no ideal candidate, amongst the remaining eleven MPs, but Cable, Lamb and Swinson seem to be the most likely to put themselves forward.

I do not think there is any plausible potential candidate  who did not serve in the coalition government, in one capacity or another. Cable, Davey and Carmichael all served in cabinet whilst Lamb, Brake and Swinson were junior ministers. The remaining newly elected MPs (Hobhouse, Jardine, Moran and Stone) do not have the experience to seek election. The one remaining MP, Stephen Lloyd of Eastbourne, does not in my view have the prominence in the party to be elected leader.
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« Reply #14 on: June 14, 2017, 03:42:24 PM »

Damn, Cable is 74. Isn't that a bit too old to become leader, especially if there isn't a GE until 2020-2022?
Corbyn is also a geezer, anyway there is no risk of Cable forming a government...

Corbyn is just 68. Six years matters a great deal at that age.
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« Reply #15 on: June 14, 2017, 03:46:38 PM »

The problem with Vince being 74 is well it begs the question what to do after him? No-one really thought Jeremy would still be leader going into 2018...
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« Reply #16 on: June 14, 2017, 03:54:47 PM »
« Edited: June 14, 2017, 04:02:38 PM by MaxQue »

Farron saying being LibDem leader was impossible considering his christian faith.

The fact that statements like this are being tossed around casually and without apparent attention to the implications is deeply disconcerting.

The main issue is than his faith wasn't compatible with gay equality, when social liberalism is one of the main plank of the party. He got attacked over being an "homophobe", pretty much and refused to defend himself.

EDIT: To clarify, his point on gay equality was "We are all sinners".
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« Reply #17 on: June 14, 2017, 04:23:56 PM »

Farron saying being LibDem leader was impossible considering his christian faith.

The fact that statements like this are being tossed around casually and without apparent attention to the implications is deeply disconcerting.

It's also completely absurd as a statement. The last two Labour Prime Ministers (and Labour is another party absolutely committed to gay rights) were sincerely religious people and it never caused even the slightest of issues. Of course what this is is the usual nauseating tendency of some in the Happy Clappy brigade to entirely appropriate for themselves the term 'Christian'. It's fycking offensive.
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« Reply #18 on: June 14, 2017, 04:30:57 PM »

But not surprising I'm afraid. Anticlericalism seems much stronger there than the rest of the Anglosphere.

...no?
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« Reply #19 on: June 14, 2017, 04:38:35 PM »
« Edited: June 14, 2017, 04:43:33 PM by tack50 »

Would Carmichael be a good choice, considering his seat is probably the safest Lib Dem seat, allowing him to spend more time campaigning for other Lib Dems rather than defending his own seat (unlike Farron who almost lost in Westmorland)

To be fair, Westmorland was the safest Lib Dem seat in 2015, that can probably change quite a bit. Did anyone expect the Lib Dems to lose Ceredigion for example? It was the 3rd safest seat, and the Lib Dems had always had a seat in Wales even at their worst, normally in rural Wales (like Ceredegion).
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« Reply #20 on: June 14, 2017, 04:44:49 PM »

Would Carmichael be a good choice, considering his seat is probably the safest Lib Dem seat, allowing him to spend more time campaigning for other Lib Dems rather than defending his own seat (unlike Farron who almost lost in Westmorland)

To be fair, Westmorland was the safest Lib Dem seat in 2015, that can probably change quite a bit. Did anyone expect the Lib Dems to lose Ceredigion for example? It was the 3rd safest seat, and the Lib Dems had always had a seat in Wales even at their worst, normally in rural Wales (like Ceredegion).

Fair point.
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« Reply #21 on: June 14, 2017, 04:54:21 PM »

The LibDems have one safe seat: Orkney & Shetland. Everywhere else is a constant negotiation with the electorate...
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« Reply #22 on: June 14, 2017, 05:04:43 PM »

The LibDems have one safe seat: Orkney & Shetland. Everywhere else is a constant negotiation with the electorate...

Has the situation ever been so bad for the Lib Dems? Even looking at the 50s and 60s (when they held 6 seats and got 2% of the vote) they still had large majorities (10%+, ie larger than anything they have now) in several of the few seats they held.
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« Reply #23 on: June 14, 2017, 05:06:41 PM »

Kind of seems like an odd move, didn't lib dems do better than most expected?

They did slightly better than expected on election day in terms of seats, but they far far worse than expected a few months ago. This was supposed to be a golden opportunity for the LibDems to make a comeback what with Labour going far left and with the LibDems positioning themselves as the "Remain Party" and going all out to appeal to the 48%...
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« Reply #24 on: June 14, 2017, 05:07:49 PM »

The LibDems have one safe seat: Orkney & Shetland. Everywhere else is a constant negotiation with the electorate...

Has the situation ever been so bad for the Lib Dems? Even looking at the 50s and 60s (when they held 6 seats and got 2% of the vote) they still had large majorities (10%+, ie larger than anything they have now) in several of the few seats they held.

Those were seats where the Conservatives stood aside for the Liberals. They would have lost them if the Conservatives had stood.
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