France General Discussion III: Tout doit disparaître

[Kingpoleon]

So Sarkozy was Gaddafi's bitch, just like Trump is Putin's bitch?

Actually, Sarkozy spearheaded the strike that took Gaddafi down. Some say he did this so that the Libyan funding of his campaign would not be found; Sarkozy himself has, I believe, alleged that Gaddafi and his son fabricated this in order to strike back at the man they feel to be responsible for taking them out of power. Sarkozy isn't indicted - he's now formally under investigation and has been released.

[Tirnam]

A poll for the 2020 municipal election in Paris (1st round)

- LREM list led by B. Griveaux (member of government): 32%
- PS list led by A. Hidalgo (incumbent): 29%
- LR list led by F. Bethout (mayor of Paris 5th): 22%
- FI list led by D. Simonet: 11%

If LREM endorses PS list:
- PS: 41%
- LR: 38%
- FI: 12%

If LREM endorses LR list:
- LR: 40%
- PS: 38%
- FI: 12%

Hidalgo approval rating is at 42%, extremely low for a mayor.

With the electoral system in Paris, if LREM, PS and LR maintain their list in the second round that would probably mean no majority.

[Bunwahaha [still dunno why, but well, so be it]]

A poll for the 2020 municipal election in Paris (1st round)

- LREM list led by B. Griveaux (member of government): 32%
- PS list led by A. Hidalgo (incumbent): 29%
- LR list led by F. Bethout (mayor of Paris 5th): 22%
- FI list led by D. Simonet: 11%

If LREM endorses PS list:
- PS: 41%
- LR: 38%
- FI: 12%

If LREM endorses LR list:
- LR: 40%
- PS: 38%
- FI: 12%

Hidalgo approval rating is at 42%, extremely low for a mayor.

With the electoral system in Paris, if LREM, PS and LR maintain their list in the second round that would probably mean no majority.

I haven't personally checked, would Hidalgo still endorse 'PS' to run? Would she go with her 'women movement'? With a Parisian label? With anything else?

That is if we are sure she even runs (did she said anything about it?), opposite would be surprising though. Anyways, that's a bit early to have very relevant polls on that anyways, given that the next election next year is fully different from that?

[augbell]

A poll for the 2020 municipal election in Paris (1st round)

- LREM list led by B. Griveaux (member of government): 32%
- PS list led by A. Hidalgo (incumbent): 29%
- LR list led by F. Bethout (mayor of Paris 5th): 22%
- FI list led by D. Simonet: 11%

If LREM endorses PS list:
- PS: 41%
- LR: 38%
- FI: 12%

If LREM endorses LR list:
- LR: 40%
- PS: 38%
- FI: 12%

Hidalgo approval rating is at 42%, extremely low for a mayor.

With the electoral system in Paris, if LREM, PS and LR maintain their list in the second round that would probably mean no majority.

It's not a PS list, but a united left list, with communists and greens with Hidalgo

[augbell]

Article in French: former candidate for presidency and former environment minister Ségolène Royal could run for Paris mayorship if Hodalgo doesn’t: http://m.leparisien.fr/politique/municipales-2020-a-paris-l-hypothese-segolene-royal-25-03-2018-7628412.php.

Royal is like coriander for the PS, some love her passionately, others hate her virulently. So if she really enters the race, the Parisian PS will be a more deadly battleground than the Democratic Party was about Hillary.

[🦀🎂🦀🎂]

Does Melenchon have a successor on the Left, or does he plan to run in perpetuity?

Haha lol Segogo

[Antonio the Sixth]

oh my God please not Ségogo

[augbell]

Does Melenchon have a successor on the Left, or does he plan to run in perpetuity?

Haha lol Segogo

He has some politicians with him that could success him: MPs like Alexis Corbière, Adrien Quatennens, Eric Coquerel are the most known. But they are not so charismatic than he is

[mvd10]

Does Melenchon have a successor on the Left, or does he plan to run in perpetuity?

Haha lol Segogo

He has some politicians with him that could success him: MPs like Alexis Corbière, Adrien Quatennens, Eric Coquerel are the most known. But they are not so charismatic than he is

What about François Ruffin? I saw a documentary about the French elections in the Netherlands which followed his campaign as a part of the documentary. He looked like someone who could make an impact in the future.

[Kingpoleon]

Does Melenchon have a successor on the Left, or does he plan to run in perpetuity?

Haha lol Segogo

He has some politicians with him that could success him: MPs like Alexis Corbière, Adrien Quatennens, Eric Coquerel are the most known. But they are not so charismatic than he is

What about François Ruffin? I saw a documentary about the French elections in the Netherlands which followed his campaign as a part of the documentary. He looked like someone who could make an impact in the future.

If the Communists take over the Left Front, Ian Brossat would be a good nominee.

[Antonio the Sixth]

If the Communists take over the Left Front,

hahahahahaha

[RodPresident]

Does Melenchon have a successor on the Left, or does he plan to run in perpetuity?

Haha lol Segogo

He has some politicians with him that could success him: MPs like Alexis Corbière, Adrien Quatennens, Eric Coquerel are the most known. But they are not so charismatic than he is

What about François Ruffin? I saw a documentary about the French elections in the Netherlands which followed his campaign as a part of the documentary. He looked like someone who could make an impact in the future.

I am supporter of FI and I watched Merci Patron... Very fun film!

[Tirnam]

Another judicial development for Sarkozy, in a case of the corruption of one judge of the Court of Cassation the investigating judges have decided that he will go on trial. Sarkozy can appeal this decision.

[Antonio the Sixth]

#LockHimUp

[swl]

Tomorrow rail workers are starting a big strike. 2 days of strike per week during 3 months. This could be a real challenge for Macron and the government.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/apr/02/france-mass-rail-strikes-macron-reforms-face-opposition

[parochial boy]

The strikes are because Macron wants to reform the SNCF to introduce "competition" and to take away many of the perks associated with cheminot (ie railway worker) status - which have been blamed for, among other things, the SNCFs funding problems (and "lazy overpaid public sector worker" tropes); as well s to introduce more "competition" to the

Of course, rather than considering why the SNCF has funding problems, this has been used to launch into an attack on one of the few remaing decent working class jobs. Which is a sad indictment of Macron and the priorities of the modern economy really.

[Simfan34]

Royal is like coriander for the PS

That's a novel expression!

The strikes are because Macron wants to reform the SNCF to introduce "competition" and to take away many of the perks associated with cheminot (ie railway worker) status - which have been blamed for, among other things, the SNCFs funding problems (and "lazy overpaid public sector worker" tropes); as well s to introduce more "competition" to the

Of course, rather than considering why the SNCF has funding problems, this has been used to launch into an attack on one of the few remaing decent working class jobs. Which is a sad indictment of Macron and the priorities of the modern economy really.

What are the reform proposals? Does he intend to introduce open-access railway operators?

[Tirnam]

The introduction of competition has been voted in 2016.

This reform is aimed to prepare the SNCF to face the competitors.
The legal status of the company will change (no longer a public company but a share company owned by the State)
The legal status of the workers will disappear for the future workers (all the workers under the current status will keep it until retirement). The introduction of other companies will lead to a new collective agreement, and some of the advantages of the current status will probably be abolished (free tickets for the worker and his family, retirement age, ...)
The SNCF has also a huge debt (more than 50 billions euros), the government could announce soon that the State will take at least a part of that debt.

[augbell]

A huge change is happening right now.
As you know, France is a laïc Republic, the State and the churches are separated.
But Macron decided to go to the annual conference of French bishops, and said “the bond between the [carholic] Chuch got damaged. It is incumbent upon us to repair it”.
The Left is on fire. Macron was seen as a defender of the low of 1905 that separates the State and the churches. A lot of moderate socialists voted for him because Hamon was unclear about laïcisme (especially with muslims). Then Macron said there was a danger of “radicalisation” (a word often used for terrorists) for the defenders of this law. And now this...

[EPG]

Is it very surprising that Macron and moderate political Catholicism have a political affinity? This was already my mental model of Macron, but I am an outsider and sadly, I read poorly and slowly in French.

[Tirnam]

A huge change is happening right now.
As you know, France is a laïc Republic, the State and the churches are separated.
But Macron decided to go to the annual conference of French bishops, and said “the bond between the [carholic] Chuch got damaged. It is incumbent upon us to repair it”.
The Left is on fire. Macron was seen as a defender of the low of 1905 that separates the State and the churches. A lot of moderate socialists voted for him because Hamon was unclear about laïcisme (especially with muslims). Then Macron said there was a danger of “radicalisation” (a word often used for terrorists) for the defenders of this law. And now this...

He talked about the dialogue between the State and the Church not the formal relationship between them.
There is no huge change happening, really.

[mvd10]

Spending cuts - check
Tax cuts - check
Labour reform - check
Immigration restrictions - check
Dialogue with Catholic Church - check

Thanks president Fillon!

Ok I know this isn't entirely true. Macron ran on economic reforms anyway so that shouldn't be a surprise, and they still are less far-reaching than Fillon would have liked. But it's still funny .

[Antonio the Sixth]

A huge change is happening right now.
As you know, France is a laïc Republic, the State and the churches are separated.
But Macron decided to go to the annual conference of French bishops, and said “the bond between the [carholic] Chuch got damaged. It is incumbent upon us to repair it”.
The Left is on fire. Macron was seen as a defender of the low of 1905 that separates the State and the churches. A lot of moderate socialists voted for him because Hamon was unclear about laïcisme (especially with muslims). Then Macron said there was a danger of “radicalisation” (a word often used for terrorists) for the defenders of this law. And now this...

He talked about the dialogue between the State and the Church not the formal relationship between them.
There is no huge change happening, really.

Yeah, as much as I despise FBM this strikes me as a nothingburger. It's shameless pandering, sure, but it doesn't really mean anything.

[Tirnam]

Ifop poll, presidential election 2022, 1st round

Macron: 36%
Le Pen: 23%
Mélenchon: 16.5%
Wauquiez: 8%
Hamon: 7%
Dupont-Aignan: 6%
Others at 1% or under.

Ifop also polled the race with the 2017 candidates : Fillon does better than Wauquiez (12%)

1 year after, 42% are satisfied with Macron (Hollande 2013: 21%, Sarkozy 2008: 28%, Chirac 2003: 58%)

Macron:
is authoritarian: 73%
has authority: 73%
knows where he is going: 67%
has a vision for the country: 58%
is competent: 57%
defends the interest of France: 55%
is likable: 53%
is honest: 48%
is sincere: 44%
is fair: 37%
is capable to unite the French: 33%
understands the concerns of the French: 30%

[Blair]

The poll shows the joke about 'President for the Rich' may have some legs.