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« Reply #300 on: December 08, 2018, 06:26:43 am »

whoa whoa whoa.....60% of the cost of fuel in France is tax.  On top of all the other taxes you pay, no wonder regular folk are pissed.  A gas tax doesn't really hurt rich folks living in cities too much, but the "sans dents" take it in the gut.  They take in the gut enough, eventually they'll come for the ones punching them.


The French need tax relief and loosened economic rules.

Well, that's effectively killed any movement toward a nationwide carbon tax here in the United States if there ever was one.  What Democratic trifecta wants to deal with a taxpayer revolt? 
see, there is some good news!

The irony of course being that 'loosened economic rules' have been extremely unpopular when Hollande (and Macron as his Labour minister) tried them- my understanding is that this is basically the typical 'we want lower taxes but still more public spending' protest.
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« Reply #301 on: December 08, 2018, 09:36:45 am »

whoa whoa whoa.....60% of the cost of fuel in France is tax.  On top of all the other taxes you pay, no wonder regular folk are pissed.  A gas tax doesn't really hurt rich folks living in cities too much, but the "sans dents" take it in the gut.  They take in the gut enough, eventually they'll come for the ones punching them.


The French need tax relief and loosened economic rules.

Well, that's effectively killed any movement toward a nationwide carbon tax here in the United States if there ever was one.  What Democratic trifecta wants to deal with a taxpayer revolt? 
see, there is some good news!

Well, 60% of gas costs being taxes is not exactly uncommon for European standards, here for example 58% of gasoline and 56% of diesel costs are taxes.

I'd say it's a good way to try to discourage car usage though it might need some other compensation like better public transportation or something.

Fun fact: The last French President to be reelected was Chirac in 2002 and he was facing Le Pen anyways (maybe against Jospin he loses).

The last French President to be reelected without facing Le Pen was Mitterrand all the way back in 1988!
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« Reply #302 on: December 10, 2018, 03:01:12 am »

whoa whoa whoa.....60% of the cost of fuel in France is tax.  On top of all the other taxes you pay, no wonder regular folk are pissed.  A gas tax doesn't really hurt rich folks living in cities too much, but the "sans dents" take it in the gut.  They take in the gut enough, eventually they'll come for the ones punching them.


The French need tax relief and loosened economic rules.

Well, that's effectively killed any movement toward a nationwide carbon tax here in the United States if there ever was one.  What Democratic trifecta wants to deal with a taxpayer revolt? 
see, there is some good news!

The irony of course being that 'loosened economic rules' have been extremely unpopular when Hollande (and Macron as his Labour minister) tried them- my understanding is that this is basically the typical 'we want lower taxes but still more public spending' protest.

This is clearly a situation that has yet to be fully defined by any one political actor - whether it will be known as a "typical" protest or not has yet to be determined...

the game is afoot! Smiley
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« Reply #303 on: December 10, 2018, 04:09:11 pm »

Macron pleads for employers to give raises hoping it will calm the crowd down. Where have we seen that before??

TI-MI-ŠOA-RA! TI-MI-ŠOA-RA! TI-MI-ŠOA-RA!
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« Reply #304 on: December 16, 2018, 02:41:33 am »

Ifop poll, presidential election 2022

Macron: 27.5%
Le Pen: 27.5%
Mélenchon: 13%
Wauquiez: 10%
Hamon: 8.5%
Dupont-Aignan: 7%
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« Reply #305 on: December 16, 2018, 09:52:05 am »

Ifop poll, presidential election 2022

Macron: 27.5%
Le Pen: 27.5%
Mélenchon: 13%
Wauquiez: 10%
Hamon: 8.5%
Dupont-Aignan: 7%

Did they poll the Macron-Le Pen run-off?
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« Reply #306 on: December 16, 2018, 10:23:39 am »

Ifop poll, presidential election 2022

Macron: 27.5%
Le Pen: 27.5%
Mélenchon: 13%
Wauquiez: 10%
Hamon: 8.5%
Dupont-Aignan: 7%

Did they poll the Macron-Le Pen run-off?
61-39 to Macron

Le Pen is still persona non grata to a solid majority of the French - if Macron is going to lose in 2022 he t won't be to her
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« Reply #307 on: December 16, 2018, 01:22:14 pm »

Ifop poll, presidential election 2022

Macron: 27.5%
Le Pen: 27.5%
Mélenchon: 13%
Wauquiez: 10%
Hamon: 8.5%
Dupont-Aignan: 7%

Did they poll the Macron-Le Pen run-off?
61-39 to Macron

Le Pen is still persona non grata to a solid majority of the French - if Macron is going to lose in 2022 it won't be to her

That is what puzzles me about all this talk about Macron being finished. It still seems that Le Pen would be his most likely opponent in 2022, which should secure his reelection.
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« Reply #308 on: December 18, 2018, 04:26:00 pm »

39% is quite a lot though and it's better than her result in 2017. I think that in some time we will have a first poll where she passes 40% and everyone will start freaking out.
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« Reply #309 on: December 19, 2018, 03:07:02 am »

39% is quite a lot though and it's better than her result in 2017. I think that in some time we will have a first poll where she passes 40% and everyone will start freaking out.

She passed 40% in many polls during the 2017 campaign, even after the first round.
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« Reply #310 on: January 11, 2019, 12:15:13 am »

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« Reply #311 on: January 12, 2019, 09:46:01 am »

Ifop poll, presidential election 2022

Macron: 27.5%
Le Pen: 27.5%
Mélenchon: 13%
Wauquiez: 10%
Hamon: 8.5%
Dupont-Aignan: 7%

Did they poll the Macron-Le Pen run-off?
61-39 to Macron

Le Pen is still persona non grata to a solid majority of the French - if Macron is going to lose in 2022 it won't be to her

That is what puzzles me about all this talk about Macron being finished. It still seems that Le Pen would be his most likely opponent in 2022, which should secure his reelection.

That's the only reason Macron still has a chance. I think if he were going to be against just about anyone else in the second round, he'd be toast.
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« Reply #312 on: January 16, 2019, 02:59:32 pm »

Ifop poll, presidential election 2022

Macron: 27.5%
Le Pen: 27.5%
Mélenchon: 13%
Wauquiez: 10%
Hamon: 8.5%
Dupont-Aignan: 7%

Did they poll the Macron-Le Pen run-off?
61-39 to Macron

Le Pen is still persona non grata to a solid majority of the French - if Macron is going to lose in 2022 it won't be to her

That is what puzzles me about all this talk about Macron being finished. It still seems that Le Pen would be his most likely opponent in 2022, which should secure his reelection.

That's the only reason Macron still has a chance. I think if he were going to be against just about anyone else in the second round, he'd be toast.

Even Melenchon?
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« Reply #313 on: January 17, 2019, 04:18:08 pm »

Ifop poll, presidential election 2022

Macron: 27.5%
Le Pen: 27.5%
Mélenchon: 13%
Wauquiez: 10%
Hamon: 8.5%
Dupont-Aignan: 7%

Did they poll the Macron-Le Pen run-off?
61-39 to Macron

Le Pen is still persona non grata to a solid majority of the French - if Macron is going to lose in 2022 it won't be to her

That is what puzzles me about all this talk about Macron being finished. It still seems that Le Pen would be his most likely opponent in 2022, which should secure his reelection.

That's the only reason Macron still has a chance. I think if he were going to be against just about anyone else in the second round, he'd be toast.

Even Melenchon?
Mélenchon's reputation has been seriously damaged since the election by his incapacity to move over his defeat at the election, by his aggressiveness and lately by his behavior during a judicial inquiry.
He tries to reap the benefits of the Yellow Vests crisis, even if it means to declare its "admiration" of some people who are clearly far-right extremists, but he fails.
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« Reply #314 on: January 18, 2019, 02:27:52 am »

Drouet is not really a far-right extremist fwiw, more like someone who's confusedly anti-establishment and gravitates toward the far-right for that reason (not excusing him, or Mélenchon's shameless pandering, but I just don't like it when people indulge in hyperbole like that).
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« Reply #315 on: January 28, 2019, 06:45:28 pm »

whoa whoa whoa.....60% of the cost of fuel in France is tax.  On top of all the other taxes you pay, no wonder regular folk are pissed.  A gas tax doesn't really hurt rich folks living in cities too much, but the "sans dents" take it in the gut.  They take in the gut enough, eventually they'll come for the ones punching them.


The French need tax relief and loosened economic rules.

Well, that's effectively killed any movement toward a nationwide carbon tax here in the United States if there ever was one.  What Democratic trifecta wants to deal with a taxpayer revolt? 
see, there is some good news!

Well, 60% of gas costs being taxes is not exactly uncommon for European standards, here for example 58% of gasoline and 56% of diesel costs are taxes.

I'd say it's a good way to try to discourage car usage though it might need some other compensation like better public transportation or something.

Fun fact: The last French President to be reelected was Chirac in 2002 and he was facing Le Pen anyways (maybe against Jospin he loses).

The last French President to be reelected without facing Le Pen was Mitterrand all the way back in 1988!

The hillarious thing Mitterrand was the one propping up Le Pen and FN in order to divide the right in first place.
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« Reply #316 on: January 30, 2019, 08:01:04 am »

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-france-royals/count-of-paris-pretender-to-french-throne-dies-aged-85-idUSKCN1PF1WT
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« Reply #317 on: January 30, 2019, 07:58:54 pm »


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« Reply #318 on: February 01, 2019, 05:11:05 pm »

So, if France's monarchy were to be reinstated, which of the three houses would be the likeliest choice (even if all of them are unlikely), Bourbon, Orleans or Bonaparte?

If there were a double referendum, first to restore the monarchy and then to choose the royal house, who would win?
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« Reply #319 on: February 01, 2019, 05:27:20 pm »

So, if France's monarchy were to be reinstated, which of the three houses would be the likeliest choice (even if all of them are unlikely), Bourbon, Orleans or Bonaparte?

If there were a double referendum, first to restore the monarchy and then to choose the royal house, who would win?

I have to imagine the House of Bonaparte has the most popular support, even if that support is maybe 0.2%.
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« Reply #320 on: February 01, 2019, 06:27:13 pm »


Weren’t they the ones you support?
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« Reply #321 on: February 02, 2019, 03:08:25 am »

So, if France's monarchy were to be reinstated, which of the three houses would be the likeliest choice (even if all of them are unlikely), Bourbon, Orleans or Bonaparte?

If there were a double referendum, first to restore the monarchy and then to choose the royal house, who would win?
Probably 90% of the French are unaware of the 3 royal/imperial houses. But yes, Bonaparte is the most prestigious name, they should win.
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« Reply #322 on: February 02, 2019, 03:11:52 am »


This goofball is now the head of the House of Orleans



And by the way, the July Monarchy was probably the best monarchic regime France ever had
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« Reply #323 on: February 03, 2019, 02:16:21 pm »

There are strong rumors that Macron could decide to hold a referendum on May, 26th.
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« Reply #324 on: February 03, 2019, 03:36:22 pm »


Why do you think he's a goofball?
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