GA-06 and SC-05 election day & results thread

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But it's ok for Sanders to raise and spend an obscene amount of money because........reasons.

Well, we've officially grasped the bottom of the barrel arguments here.

[AtorBoltox]

He keeps ignoring that most of Ossoff's money came from individual donors

[smoltchanov]

Thanks, God, this madness is over. 50 millons for House campaign is a crazy thing. And i got a confirmation of my opinion that Ossoff was a bad fit for GA-06 (Parnell, in more difficult district and without even 1/10 of Ossoff's money did better). And no, "bold progressive" would do even worse here...

[ProgressiveCanadian]

But it's ok for Sanders to raise and spend an obscene amount of money because........reasons.

Your disgust of Bernie bewilders me. Most actual liberals support him by large margins.

[libertpaulian]

Maybe if the Dems want to flip a seat in GA, they should try for GA-12 (John Barrow's old seat).  That went red in the 2014 GOP tsunami when it was a blue seat for practically a century.

[Hindsight was 2020]

Seriously is Trump and his fan base all emotional man children? Twitter is just pure cancer right now

[Gass3268]

He keeps ignoring that most of Ossoff's money came from individual donors

About a $40 average

[vanguard96]

Ultimately it was not the razor thin margin some expected but the two races were closer than historical outcomes. It was not a true referendum on Trump or the new ACA that some pundits like Nate Silver portended and now we turn the focus to 2018. I am sure there will be some tighter races in areas that closely went GOP in 2016. A lot of money was spent on the race down there. I am sure 2018 will be very heated as well.

[The world will shine with light in our nightmare]

Maybe if the Dems want to flip a seat in GA, they should try for GA-12 (John Barrow's old seat).  That went red in the 2014 GOP tsunami when it was a blue seat for practically a century.

Are demographics shifting there much?

[Beet]

Maybe if the Dems want to flip a seat in GA, they should try for GA-12 (John Barrow's old seat).  That went red in the 2014 GOP tsunami when it was a blue seat for practically a century.

Are demographics shifting there much?

The Dems need to stop obsessing over muh demographics and start obsessing over convincing people with popular messages.

[The world will shine with light in our nightmare]

Maybe if the Dems want to flip a seat in GA, they should try for GA-12 (John Barrow's old seat).  That went red in the 2014 GOP tsunami when it was a blue seat for practically a century.

Are demographics shifting there much?

The Dems need to stop obsessing over muh demographics and start obsessing over convincing people with popular messages.

>We shouldn't rely on identity politics
>Brianna Wu 2018

[RI]

Stop comparing margins for incumbents to open seats.

[Holmes]

But it's ok for Sanders to raise and spend an obscene amount of money because........reasons.

Well, we've officially grasped the bottom of the barrel arguments here.

Hell, you bring up Hillary in almost every single post you make, regardless of the topic, like you just can't help it. It's almost sad, somyou talking about the "bottom of the barrel" is just sad. But I get it, criticizing a centrist candidate in a right-wing district who raised and spent a lot of money only to lose is bad but it's different when a left-wing candidate raises and spends a lot of money only to lose.

And no, I don't have a disgust for Sanders. But I hope voting Green over NDP worked out for you.

[rob in cal]

   I think that a good benchmark for yesterdays vote in GA-6 would have been the congressional vote last November had Price not been running then, and both Handel and Ossoff  were the nominees last November as well. I'm thinking a Handel win then as well, but somewhere in the mid to high 50's.

[Coolface Sock #42069]

Does Ossoff's defeat mean we can start moving the Democrats in a progressive direction now?

Bernie Bros when Democrats lose: "Our message is garbage! We need to fix that by moving left!"

Bernie Bros when Democrats win: "The voters are now receptive to our message! Better move left!"

[RINO Tom]

Does anyone think that a Sanders clone would have won either of these races? Be honest.

Sanders clones wont win until the leadership of the party is purged.

Half of the Democratic party has no confidence in the party and views the DNC as totally corrupt.

The question wasn't one about the leadership, it was about GA-6. Do you think a Sanders clone would have won GA-6?

Do you not think it's a legitimate response to say, "what does it matter?"  I'd argue that there's no difference in losing by 4 points or 8 points in this district if there is such a high floor of voters in a place like GA-6 that will remain with Republicans even when the GOP POTUS is unpopular (and remain with them even more loyally under more favorable circumstances), which I believe there is.  Timmy and I have been saying this forever, and it's not like we've been "proven right" yet ... but I'm telling you from my anecdotal experience that there is a massively high floor of wealthy, college educated, largely White suburban voters who don't give a flying shlt what the GOP has to say to rural districts to win them, and they don't care at ALL if they're viewed as a "suburban party" or a "rural party" or if the Democrats are viewed as a "cosmopolitan party" or whatever; that cultural guilt trip might win a few of them over, but most of these voters know that their local Republican is for economic conservatism, and they don't care about the rest.  Period.

[smoltchanov]

Does Ossoff's defeat mean we can start moving the Democrats in a progressive direction now?

Bernie Bros when Democrats lose: "Our message is garbage! We need to fix that by moving left!"

Bernie Bros when Democrats win: "The voters are now receptive to our message! Better move left!"

Some call them "the tea party of the left". Didn't "usual tea party" acted the same way since 2009 and still continues to do?

[Hindsight was 2020]

God it's like November all over again I just feel punched in the gut

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

Does Ossoff's defeat mean we can start moving the Democrats in a progressive direction now?

Bernie Bros when Democrats lose: "Our message is garbage! We need to fix that by moving left!"

Bernie Bros when Democrats win: "The voters are now receptive to our message! Better move left!"

Some call them "the tea party of the left". Didn't "usual tea party" acted the same way since 2009 and still continues to do?

There is still a tea party?

[Yank2133]

Does Ossoff's defeat mean we can start moving the Democrats in a progressive direction now?

Bernie Bros when Democrats lose: "Our message is garbage! We need to fix that by moving left!"

Bernie Bros when Democrats win: "The voters are now receptive to our message! Better move left!"

They are such a broken record at this point.

There is so much doom and gloom on the left that they have become parodies of themselves. The party will be fine. They have had strong recruitment with progressive, moderates, and centrist candidates (which was a big problem in 2014 and 2016), the base is fired up, and they are bringing in a lot of cash.

2018 will be a good year for the party.

[Lord Admirale]

People think moving further to the left will cause the Democrats to win. HA!

No, you make your message about the issues, not about how Trump sucks. Ossoff came across as a carpetbagging millennial who thinks Stephen Colbert is the funniest guy on Earth and made his campaign about how Trump sucks.

If the Democrats want to win, they should make their campaigns about the ISSUES and focus on what MATTERS, not the President's Twitter account. Moving further to the left just alienates much of the suburban vote and moderates in the party.  

Becoming the freaking Socialist Party reincarnate will give the GOP landslide after landslide in Congressional and even Presidential elections.

[Yank2133]

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Literally every mid-term election is about the President.

Democrats should talk about the issues, but they would be stupid to ignore the sub-40% approval rating president who is under criminal investigation.

[Coolface Sock #42069]

Does Ossoff's defeat mean we can start moving the Democrats in a progressive direction now?

Bernie Bros when Democrats lose: "Our message is garbage! We need to fix that by moving left!"

Bernie Bros when Democrats win: "The voters are now receptive to our message! Better move left!"

Some call them "the tea party of the left". Didn't "usual tea party" acted the same way since 2009 and still continues to do?

First, the term "Tea Party", which was originally (circa 2010) a group focused on fighting against high taxes and the waste of taxpayer money, was hijacked by extremists and fake news sites, then those people and extreme right-wingers like Ted Cruz acted in the way you're describing, yes. When Mitt Romney lost in 2012, to them, it was because his moderation on certain issues made him too similar to President Obama to inspire sufficient turnout among his base voters.

Then you got the bogus line of "when we boldly proclaim conservative values, we win", which I know liberals have also used. It's technically true but misleading because we only boldly proclaim those values in states where they are popular, i.e. red states.

So yeah, then you get moderates blamed for losses and extremists arguing that moderates' wins are a mandate for extremists' policies because they happen to belong to the same party. Very annoying.

[Virginiá]

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Literally every mid-term election is about the President.

Democrats should talk about the issues, but they would be stupid to ignore the sub-40% approval rating president who is under criminal investigation.

I don't really get why so many people overlook this aspect of midterms. Is it just a giant coincidence that non-presidential year elections happen to be much more favorable to the out party when the president is unpopular?

The party still needs a message for 2018 to help present themselves as a viable alternative, but the real time for a good, comprehensive policy message is in presidential elections. That is when the focus is on one person and their cause.

The main thing Democrats should run on in 2018 should probably be some combination of healthcare (anti-AHCA), corruption and ethics, which includes beating on Republicans significantly for not conducting proper oversight of Trump.

[McGovernForPrez]

Maybe if the Dems want to flip a seat in GA, they should try for GA-12 (John Barrow's old seat).  That went red in the 2014 GOP tsunami when it was a blue seat for practically a century.

Are demographics shifting there much?

The Dems need to stop obsessing over muh demographics and start obsessing over convincing people with popular messages.

>We shouldn't rely on identity politics
>Brianna Wu 2018

I absolutely dislike Stephen Lynch but Brianna Wu isn't even close to the type of liberal I'd like to see take over his district. Thank God I live in Capuano's district.