Temporary Headquarters of the Labor Party (Leadership election)

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

So one person voting aye is going to change the registrations of over 20 Atlasians?

So in the end we finally learn the truth.


"The Party decides what the people think, an elite decides what the party thinks, a central committtee decides what the elite thinks, and Lenin decides what they all think".


#LaborisRed

Only when a party nears death can it show it's true colors. When you think about it, that maroon looked pretty reddish to me! Coincidence? I think not.

PUP has basically the same color.

Good sir! PUP's is to commemorate the Red Panda! How dare you imply communist tendencies on such a poor, defenseless creature.

Why don't you just tax Alliance and redistribute their color. After all, the first time socialism came to Atlasia, it came wrapped in the cascades and holding a cute animal.

This may need to be included in our next platform. DFW, take notes!

This almost as cringe worthy as Napoleon going out as just another Labor number. 

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

But we have digressed from the fact that it seems like 3.5% may dictate the other 96.5%'s registration, which is quite possibly a violation of the Federal electoral which establishes registration as a something registrants may "optionally state". Which to my eye implies optional on their end.

[Wikipedia delenda est]

But we have digressed from the fact that it seems like 3.5% may dictate the other 96.5%'s registration, which is quite possibly a violation of the Federal electoral which establishes registration as a something registrants may "optionally state". Which to my eye implies optional on their end.

It's not my fault that the Party is so inactive and no one else is voting. I've sent PM's to Labor Party members and have posted in this thread reminding them to vote, but to no avail.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

But we have digressed from the fact that it seems like 3.5% may dictate the other 96.5%'s registration, which is quite possibly a violation of the Federal electoral which establishes registration as a something registrants may "optionally state". Which to my eye implies optional on their end.

It's not my fault that the Party is so inactive and no one else is voting. I've sent PM's to Labor Party members and have posted in this thread reminding them to vote, but to no avail.

Perhaps that says something on its own about the process at hand doesn't?


That maybe whatever majority (even of one) who just so happens to show up at some point should not be alter the registrations of voters, strikes me as a violation of my most basic "constitutional" principles.

[NeverAgain]

The absorption of Labor by PUP would not change their party, my assumption was that they would then have to manually join back.

[wxtransit]

The absorption of Labor by PUP would not change their party, my assumption was that they would then have to manually join back.

No, it changes their party status on the rolls. Otherwise, you'd be seeing a few "Citizens" members (enough for party status, say around five or so) because after Alliance's relaunch, only a few technically changed their status.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

The absorption of Labor by PUP would not change their party, my assumption was that they would then have to manually join back.

No, it changes their party status on the rolls. Otherwise, you'd be seeing a few "Citizens" members (enough for party status, say around five or so) because after Alliance's relaunch, only a few technically changed their status.

That was a name change though, wasn't it? Not a merger or a dissolution.

[NeverAgain]

The absorption of Labor by PUP would not change their party, my assumption was that they would then have to manually join back.

No, it changes their party status on the rolls. Otherwise, you'd be seeing a few "Citizens" members (enough for party status, say around five or so) because after Alliance's relaunch, only a few technically changed their status.

If a party (or in this case party leader, attempting to open it up for democracy) is absorbed or changes their identity all members must rejoin that (new) party. Otherwise that wouldn't pass FEA requirements.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Post-Reset Law ftw!

[Adam Griffin]

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[VPH]

Official Labor Party Ballot:
Proposal: Are you in favor of the merger of the Labor Party with the Progressive Union Party?
[X] YES
[] NO

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

Official Labor Party Ballot:
Proposal: Are you in favor of the merger of the Labor Party with the Progressive Union Party?
[X] YES
[] NO

[Sestak]

I object! The Labor Party should be merging into the Mario Party! Mr. Chairman, please cancel this vote!

[Wikipedia delenda est]

I object! The Labor Party should be merging into the Mario Party! Mr. Chairman, please cancel this vote!

Objection overruled.

[Wikipedia delenda est]

With more than 48 hours having passed, all Laborites who have voted on the merger have unanimously decided to merge the Labor Party with the Progressive Union Party. When I held the vote, I imagined that the merger would take effect immediately, and all Laborites would become members of the Progressive Union Party. However, some concerns have been raised about about this process not complying with the Constitution, so I don't really know how the merger will work in practice. I'll probably have to talk with some constitutional experts in order to figure out how the merger will logistically take place. But also, I would like to note that each Laborite having to change their registration to PUP manually would inevitably lead to some Laborites not doing so, as there are many inactive Atlasians in the Party. So what would be done with Atlasians who would end up being members of a party that no longer exists?

[Mr. Reactionary]

When I held the vote, I imagined that the merger would take effect immediately, and all Laborites would become members of the Progressive Union Party.

Why would you think that?

[Lumine]

I wonder if this is not pretty much the same situation in practical terms that emerged with the end of the United Alternative last year. True, the vote says "merge" instead of "dissolution", but merge would imply two parties giving consent and forming an altogether new party through their union (and all that there is at the moment is a unilateral decision by Labor).

In that sense, this would mean the Labor Party is gone and not even the zombies will remain "Laborites", meaning all 28 registered Laborites are independents.

At least that's how I understand the issue.

[Goldwater]

I wonder if this is not pretty much the same situation in practical terms that emerged with the end of the United Alternative last year. True, the vote says "merge" instead of "dissolution", but merge would imply two parties giving consent and forming an altogether new party through their union (and all that there is at the moment is a unilateral decision by Labor).

In that sense, this would mean the Labor Party is gone and not even the zombies will remain "Laborites", meaning all 28 registered Laborites are independents.

At least that's how I understand the issue.

I'm no expert, but that sounds accurate. The way you describe an actual merg is how the Federalist party was formed, as a merger between the Whig party and the Imperial Bloc.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I wonder if this is not pretty much the same situation in practical terms that emerged with the end of the United Alternative last year. True, the vote says "merge" instead of "dissolution", but merge would imply two parties giving consent and forming an altogether new party through their union (and all that there is at the moment is a unilateral decision by Labor).

In that sense, this would mean the Labor Party is gone and not even the zombies will remain "Laborites", meaning all 28 registered Laborites are independents.

At least that's how I understand the issue.

I'm no expert, but that sounds accurate. The way you describe an actual merg is how the Federalist party was formed, as a merger between the Whig party and the Imperial Bloc.

What happened with the UA last year was illegal.

The merger between the Whigs and IB took place pre-reset, when there were laws like the PArty Sublimation Act and the Party Renaming Act in effect.

[Lumine]

Illegal? How so?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Illegal? How so?

Illegal in that the registrations should not have been altered by the RG.

This was discovered during the Oakvale expulsion in December. The Federal Electoral Act doesn't allow for anyone else to change the registrations of members except the members, and the laws that used to allow for this, were repealed with the reset in June 2016.

[Terry the Fat Shark]

I thought a bill was or is being passed to fix this issue.....

[Pragmatic Conservative]

I thought a bill was or is being passed to fix this issue.....

It only fixes the expulsion part; though mergers should probably be included.

[Sestak]

Would the argument not be that a new party is being created under the name "Progressive Union", as a combined entity containing both the old "Labor" and "Progressive Union" parties? Due to the fact that Labor is now the new party and the old Progressive Union (should it also vote for this merger) is also now the new party, wouldn't all registrations change to signify that the old parties are now the new PUP, similar to how "Citizens" registrations were automatically changed to "Alliance?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Would the argument not be that a new party is being created under the name "Progressive Union", as a combined entity containing both the old "Labor" and "Progressive Union" parties? Due to the fact that Labor is now the new party and the old Progressive Union (should it also vote for this merger) is also now the new party, wouldn't all registrations change to signify that the old parties are now the new PUP, similar to how "Citizens" registrations were automatically changed to "Alliance?

"Equity allows for good faith". Just because Peebs did something under the assumption it as legal, doesn't mean that she intended to break the law, nor does it mean that the law was not broken in that circumstance.