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Question: Where would you rather live?
Iran   -59 (93.7%)
North Korea   -4 (6.3%)
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« on: June 26, 2017, 01:44:20 pm »
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Where would you rather live?
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« Reply #1 on: June 26, 2017, 02:24:40 pm »
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Iran easily (sane).
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« Reply #2 on: June 26, 2017, 02:36:40 pm »
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Iran no contest
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« Reply #3 on: June 26, 2017, 02:37:55 pm »
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Iran (not Runeghost)
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« Reply #4 on: June 26, 2017, 04:07:30 pm »
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Iran (not Runeghost)
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« Reply #5 on: June 26, 2017, 04:09:51 pm »
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Iran easily (sane).
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« Reply #6 on: June 26, 2017, 04:16:23 pm »
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This is such a GOP question.
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« Reply #7 on: June 26, 2017, 05:00:15 pm »
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Iran (duh)
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« Reply #8 on: June 27, 2017, 10:31:57 am »
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Where would you rather live?
Are you so deluded by Fox News propaganda that you think Iran is a totalitarian hellhole?
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« Reply #9 on: June 27, 2017, 10:43:26 am »
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Are you so deluded by Fox News propaganda that you think Iran is a totalitarian hellhole?
Are you so deluded to think Iran is an American or Westerner's paradise? Just ask Jason Rezaian, Robert Levinson, Saaed Abedini, and Amir Hekmati how glorious it is.
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« Reply #10 on: June 27, 2017, 11:20:33 am »
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So being ruthlessly oppressed vs. being ruthlessly oppressed and eventually being eventually killed?

I think in Iran, its probably easier to survive. It might not even be as poor as NK.
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« Reply #11 on: June 27, 2017, 03:50:01 pm »
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Iran by far.
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« Reply #12 on: June 27, 2017, 05:42:40 pm »
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It's far easier to live somewhat normally in Iran.
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« Reply #13 on: June 27, 2017, 06:45:02 pm »
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probably easier to hide/escape in Iran, so that one.
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Was that wrong? Should I have not done that? I tell you, I gotta plead ignorance on this thing because if anyone had said anything to me at all when I first started here that that sort of thing was frowned upon, you know, ‘cause I've worked in a lot of offices and I tell you people do that all the time.
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« Reply #15 on: June 27, 2017, 08:14:57 pm »
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Easily Iran. Had I been alive between 1953 and 1978 however, I would have picked North Korea, as living in Iran under the Shah was akin to hell on Earth.
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« Reply #16 on: June 27, 2017, 08:17:26 pm »
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Had I been alive between 1953 and 1978 however, I would have picked North Korea, as living in Iran under the Shah was akin to hell on Earth.
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« Reply #17 on: June 27, 2017, 08:22:28 pm »
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Easily Iran. Had I been alive between 1953 and 1978 however, I would have picked North Korea, as living in Iran under the Shah was akin to hell on Earth.
google "Iran in the 70s" and please come back with your thoughts

(I'm not arguing it was heaven on Earth either, just so we're clear)
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Was that wrong? Should I have not done that? I tell you, I gotta plead ignorance on this thing because if anyone had said anything to me at all when I first started here that that sort of thing was frowned upon, you know, ‘cause I've worked in a lot of offices and I tell you people do that all the time.
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« Reply #18 on: June 27, 2017, 08:38:03 pm »
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Easily Iran. Had I been alive between 1953 and 1978 however, I would have picked North Korea, as living in Iran under the Shah was akin to hell on Earth.
google "Iran in the 70s" and please come back with your thoughts

(I'm not arguing it was heaven on Earth either, just so we're clear)
I am close friends with a 25 year old Iranian American woman (hopefilully more than friends in the near future if I play my cards right) whose parents lived in Iran until the early 1980s. My friends mother was active in the anti-Shah student movement at Tehran University (though she is not that religious at all) and described to me the crimes that the Shah committed against the Iranian people from the early 1950s until the late 1970s. Organizations such as SAVAK controlled nearly every aspect of Iranian society and ruthlessly dealt with any dissent. Freedom of speech, press freedom, and political freedom were non-existent and Iran had around 100,000 political prisoners by 1976. Additionally, security forces loyal to the Shah routinely fired upon innocent civilians who were unconnected to political activities. I am not saying that Iran is a perfect place today, but it is apparent that the political situation in Iran has improved overall since the 1978-79 Revolution.
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« Reply #19 on: June 27, 2017, 08:47:43 pm »
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... and how exactly was North Korea under Kim Il Sung better?
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« Reply #20 on: June 27, 2017, 08:56:05 pm »
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... and how exactly was North Korea under Kim Il Sung better?
Iran ranked lower in terms of human rights and political freedom when compared to North Korea in Freedom House rankings from the 1970s. Iran at the time actually had the lowest level of freedom in the world and the situation was so dire in the country that authoritarian countries such as the Soviet Union, Cuba, and North Korea expressed concern for the human rights situation in Iran before international bodies such as the UN.
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... and how exactly was North Korea under Kim Il Sung better?
Iran ranked lower in terms of human rights and political freedom when compared to North Korea in Freedom House rankings from the 1970s. Iran at the time actually had the lowest level of freedom in the world and
That's not how I'm reading it
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Iran
72-5/6 (same as Spain! Yeah Franco!)
73-5/6
74-6/6
75-6/6
76-6/5
77-5/5
78-5/5

The Norks had solid 7s in that time frame.  But maybe I'm reading it wrong?  They  certainly were not the worst in the world.
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the situation was so dire in the country that authoritarian countries such as the Soviet Union, Cuba, and North Korea expressed concern for the human rights situation in Iran before international bodies such as the UN.
in the same way the UN claims Israel is the worst human rights abuser.  It's very common for horrible countries to point their fingers at others.  Like people who cheat always assume everybody else, especially their significant other, is too. 

FYI, Cuba was rockin' 7s, just like the Norks were, and the Soviets were almost as free as Iran with 6s.
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« Reply #22 on: June 28, 2017, 06:37:55 am »
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... and how exactly was North Korea under Kim Il Sung better?
Iran ranked lower in terms of human rights and political freedom when compared to North Korea in Freedom House rankings from the 1970s. Iran at the time actually had the lowest level of freedom in the world and
That's not how I'm reading it
link to spread sheet with the deets
yr-Political Rights/Civil Liberties (lower is better)
Iran
72-5/6 (same as Spain! Yeah Franco!)
73-5/6
74-6/6
75-6/6
76-6/5
77-5/5
78-5/5

The Norks had solid 7s in that time frame.  But maybe I'm reading it wrong?  They  certainly were not the worst in the world.
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the situation was so dire in the country that authoritarian countries such as the Soviet Union, Cuba, and North Korea expressed concern for the human rights situation in Iran before international bodies such as the UN.
in the same way the UN claims Israel is the worst human rights abuser.  It's very common for horrible countries to point their fingers at others.  Like people who cheat always assume everybody else, especially their significant other, is too. 

FYI, Cuba was rockin' 7s, just like the Norks were, and the Soviets were almost as free as Iran with 6s.
Maybe I was wrong in saying that North Korea had a better human rights record than Iran during the 1970s, but the Shah of Iran was still a bloodthirsty puppet dictator who slaughtered his people in high numbers, stole resources that solely belonged to the Iranian people, and only cared for himself at the expense of everyone else. Say what you like about Iran under the leadership of Ayatollah Khamenei, but at least today the Iranian government doesn't go on mass killings without provocation, allows for some level of political freedom, looks out for the poor and vulnerable members of society, and, most importantly, is not a puppet of nations hostile to its interests such as Israel, the US, and the U.K.  The Iranian government today is also at the forefront of standing up for the rights of oppressed groups in the Middle East such as Shi'a Muslims and the Palestinian people.
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Maybe I was wrong in saying that North Korea had a better human rights record than Iran during the 1970s, but the Shah of Iran was still a bloodthirsty puppet dictator who slaughtered his people in high numbers, stole resources that solely belonged to the Iranian people, and only cared for himself at the expense of everyone else.
yet they still had better human rights record than today, and yet...
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Say what you like about Iran under the leadership of Ayatollah Khamenei, but at least today the Iranian government doesn't go on mass killings without provocation,
Right, now they only murder gays, Jews and anybody that protests....but hey, they were provoked, so it's ok.
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allows for some level of political freedom, looks out for the poor and vulnerable members of society, and, most importantly, is not a puppet of nations hostile to its interests such as Israel, the US, and the U.K.
the fact that you think THAT is the most important is very telling.
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The Iranian government today is also at the forefront of standing up for the rights of oppressed groups in the Middle East such as Shi'a Muslims and the Palestinian people.
awesome..and really, they are pretty typical in their horribleness in the region.  A little better than Syria or S.Arabia...a little worse than Iraq or Oman.

Don't get me wrong, the Shah sucked and we were wrong to back him...but he wasn't as bad as bearded clerics running the place since.
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Maybe I was wrong in saying that North Korea had a better human rights record than Iran during the 1970s, but the Shah of Iran was still a bloodthirsty puppet dictator who slaughtered his people in high numbers, stole resources that solely belonged to the Iranian people, and only cared for himself at the expense of everyone else.
yet they still had better human rights record than today, and yet...
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Say what you like about Iran under the leadership of Ayatollah Khamenei, but at least today the Iranian government doesn't go on mass killings without provocation,
Right, now they only murder gays, Jews and anybody that protests....but hey, they were provoked, so it's ok.
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allows for some level of political freedom, looks out for the poor and vulnerable members of society, and, most importantly, is not a puppet of nations hostile to its interests such as Israel, the US, and the U.K.
the fact that you think THAT is the most important is very telling.
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The Iranian government today is also at the forefront of standing up for the rights of oppressed groups in the Middle East such as Shi'a Muslims and the Palestinian people.
awesome..and really, they are pretty typical in their horribleness in the region.  A little better than Syria or S.Arabia...a little worse than Iraq or Oman.

Don't get me wrong, the Shah sucked and we were wrong to back him...but he wasn't as bad as bearded clerics running the place since.
Nearly all of the information regarding Iran in the media is little more than propaganda that is meant to encourage the American people to support an unjust and imperialist war against Iran. The Iranian government has not killed innocent people since the late 1980s, is respectful and tolerant towards other religions, and is arguably one of the only functioning democracies in the Middle East. I am also strongly anti-Zionist, anti-Saudi, and pro-Shi'a, so I agree with nearly all of the positions that the Iranian government takes.
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