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« Reply #75 on: June 30, 2017, 11:36:43 am »
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Is there any noticeable difference between how constituency and list MPs voted(even in general)? I imagine constituency MPs might need to be a bit closer to their constituents' views, seeing as they have a more direct link?

Ugh, too much work to figure that one out.

Considering that many (most?) direct candidates are also list candidates I wouldn't be surprised that it plays not that much of a factor though.
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« Reply #76 on: June 30, 2017, 07:25:27 pm »
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The one who really stands out is Hans Michelbach, aged 68. I'm not really sure what his story is... maybe a close relative in the family who's gay? Tongue

Or maybe he's simply sane and reasonable.

His opinion is based on his appreciation of the wish of two people to care for each other, also financially, their whole lifetime, to rear children that otherwise wouldn't live in a family and to experience respect and tolerance from their environment, and because nobody will be taken anything if the bill is passed.

http://www.infranken.de/ueberregional/Ehe-fuer-alle-Deshalb-hat-Dagmar-Woehrl-mit-Ja-gestimmt;art55462,2745150

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« Reply #77 on: June 30, 2017, 09:19:19 pm »
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Sad fact: They youngest member of parliament, Ronja Kemmer (28), voted against the bill.

In complete defiance of her age and gender group. Someone wanted to be different. Tongue

Atlas-style contrarianism.

More like Naso-style nostalgia.
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« Reply #78 on: July 01, 2017, 08:09:26 pm »
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If this goes through all the way without delay, then Australia would be the last "WHY HAVEN'T YOU DONE THIS ALREADY??" country on my list.
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« Reply #79 on: July 02, 2017, 09:17:10 pm »
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If this goes through all the way without delay, then Australia would be the last "WHY HAVEN'T YOU DONE THIS ALREADY??" country on my list.

Because as Tender Branson could tell you, Australians prefer to keep some things in the basement.
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« Reply #80 on: July 04, 2017, 03:42:33 pm »
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If this goes through all the way without delay, then Australia would be the last "WHY HAVEN'T YOU DONE THIS ALREADY??" country on my list.
We've still got Austria too (and Switzerland, but they're more conservative).
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« Reply #81 on: July 04, 2017, 05:03:19 pm »
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The Bavarian government under Horst Seehofer is going to file a a constitutional complaint against gay marriage.
So is the AfD, but they aren't even entitled to do so.
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« Reply #82 on: July 04, 2017, 05:54:41 pm »
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The Bavarian government under Horst Seehofer is going to file a a constitutional complaint against gay marriage.
So is the AfD, but they aren't even entitled to do so.

Sadly, SDP is too dumb to ask the CDU to choose between SDP and CSU. Would be a wonderful to damage CDU.
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« Reply #83 on: July 04, 2017, 07:12:34 pm »
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The Bavarian government under Horst Seehofer is going to file a a constitutional complaint against gay marriage.
So is the AfD, but they aren't even entitled to do so.

Sadly, SDP is too dumb to ask the CDU to choose between SDP and CSU. Would be a wonderful to damage CDU.

Huh no, there's no chance in hell they ever would. CDU and CSU are for all intents and purposes a single party.
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« Reply #84 on: July 04, 2017, 08:30:34 pm »
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The Bavarian government under Horst Seehofer is going to file a a constitutional complaint against gay marriage.
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Sadly, SDP is too dumb to ask the CDU to choose between SDP and CSU. Would be a wonderful to damage CDU.

Huh no, there's no chance in hell they ever would. CDU and CSU are for all intents and purposes a single party.

I'm aware. It would allow to paint CDU as backwards bigots, through.
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« Reply #85 on: July 04, 2017, 08:53:04 pm »
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The Bavarian government under Horst Seehofer is going to file a a constitutional complaint against gay marriage.
So is the AfD, but they aren't even entitled to do so.

Sadly, SDP is too dumb to ask the CDU to choose between SDP and CSU. Would be a wonderful to damage CDU.

Huh no, there's no chance in hell they ever would. CDU and CSU are for all intents and purposes a single party.

I'm aware. It would allow to paint CDU as backwards bigots, through.

I don't think Germans care enough about culture war issues for that to be an effective strategy.
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« Reply #86 on: July 05, 2017, 12:18:20 am »
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The Bavarian government under Horst Seehofer is going to file a a constitutional complaint against gay marriage.
So is the AfD, but they aren't even entitled to do so.

Sadly, SDP is too dumb to ask the CDU to choose between SDP and CSU. Would be a wonderful to damage CDU.

Huh no, there's no chance in hell they ever would. CDU and CSU are for all intents and purposes a single party.

I'm aware. It would allow to paint CDU as backwards bigots, through.

I don't think Germans care enough about culture war issues for that to be an effective strategy.

Well, better strategy than being a floormat.
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« Reply #87 on: July 05, 2017, 02:18:07 am »
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The Bavarian government under Horst Seehofer is going to file a a constitutional complaint against gay marriage.
So is the AfD, but they aren't even entitled to do so.

Sadly, SDP is too dumb to ask the CDU to choose between SDP and CSU. Would be a wonderful to damage CDU.

Huh no, there's no chance in hell they ever would. CDU and CSU are for all intents and purposes a single party.

I'm aware. It would allow to paint CDU as backwards bigots, through.

I don't think Germans care enough about culture war issues for that to be an effective strategy.

Well, better strategy than being a floormat.

And even better strategy would be for them to actually be a social democratic party, instead of a vapid third-way empty shell.
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« Reply #88 on: July 07, 2017, 06:03:19 am »
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So, when is the Bundesrat supposed to formally approve this so it can go to the President?
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« Reply #89 on: July 07, 2017, 07:33:50 am »
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So, when is the Bundesrat supposed to formally approve this so it can go to the President?

It already has.
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« Reply #90 on: July 13, 2017, 06:00:51 am »
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Soooo...why hasn't the President signed it yet?  Seems pretty odd to me.
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« Reply #91 on: July 13, 2017, 06:32:16 am »
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Soooo...why hasn't the President signed it yet?  Seems pretty odd to me.

Why would that be odd ?

It usually takes 3-4 weeks in Germany for a bill to be signed by the President and to be officially published in the federal law gazette.

If the President signs the law this month, the law will take effect 3 months later (starting with the 1st of a month). So, the earliest date for marriages would be October 1.
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« Reply #92 on: July 14, 2017, 12:20:09 am »
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Is this some sort of strange election strategy by Merkel, to have the government vote on SSM, but personally vote nay, and to time it so that it'll have been signed into law but not have taken effect as of the next election?
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« Reply #93 on: July 21, 2017, 05:03:02 am »
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The President has signed the law:

http://www.heute.de/bundespraesident-steinmeier-unterzeichnet-gesetz-zur-ehe-fuer-alle-47613920.html

Marriages will start on October 1.
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« Reply #94 on: July 21, 2017, 05:11:51 am »
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If this goes through all the way without delay, then Australia would be the last "WHY HAVEN'T YOU DONE THIS ALREADY??" country on my list.
Blame the government who want a plebiscite on the issue, which we would already know the result of, and would end in a free vote in the end anyway, which we would have had around October last year, if Shorten had become PM.
 
All this government know how to do is spend money, which is ironic.
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« Reply #95 on: July 21, 2017, 05:25:59 am »
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If this goes through all the way without delay, then Australia would be the last "WHY HAVEN'T YOU DONE THIS ALREADY??" country on my list.

There are definitely others, like Switzerland.
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« Reply #96 on: October 01, 2017, 05:20:47 am »
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Gays and lesbians can marry in Germany from now on (de facto from tomorrow on). 👬 🏳️‍🌈🎉
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« Reply #97 on: October 01, 2017, 05:27:07 am »
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Gays and lesbians can marry in Germany from now on (de facto from tomorrow on). 👬 🏳️‍🌈🎉
Amazing news.
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« Reply #98 on: October 02, 2017, 05:20:45 pm »
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Gays and lesbians can marry in Germany from now on (de facto from tomorrow on). 👬 🏳️‍🌈🎉
Sad news. The local governments should decide this. Berlin shouldnt. Of course it should be a resounding HECK 👎
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« Reply #99 on: October 02, 2017, 05:21:39 pm »
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Gays and lesbians can marry in Germany from now on (de facto from tomorrow on). 👬 🏳️‍🌈🎉
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