Germany Legalizes Gay Marriage (June 30, 2017)

[mvd10]

Merkel completely discards a conservative principle that she had argued for in the recent past from one moment to the next? Color me surprised...

To be fair I'm surprised that she held out so long. Even a large majority of CDU voters support gay marriage according the polls. She probably just didn't want to piss the CSU off.

[mvd10]

And isn't the ÖVP generally more conservative than the CDU? They probably are more comparable to the CSU on social issues from what I've read.

[mvd10]

Wasn't Hillary Clinton against marriage equality until it become popular?

Marriage equality is popular in Germany and Merkel still opposes it. Does anyone have an opinion poll on how CSU voters feel about gay marriage? All the polls I saw only show CDU or CDU/CSU.

[mvd10]

Papier is Polish for "paper".

It's also Dutch for paper

[mvd10]

How did the 35-or-so MPs with a migrant background vote ?

I guess overwhelmingly YES (like the Muslim MPs), because they are mostly from the center-left parties ?

Well, obviously immigrant MPs from SPD, Greens, and Left all voted Yes.


Kai Whittaker (CDU, half-British, age 32): Yes.
Martin Pätzold (CDU, half-Armenian, age 32): Yes.
Cemile Giousouf (CDU, Turkish parents, age 39): Yes.

Alexander Radwan (CSU, half-Egyptian Coptic, age 52): No.
Michaela Noll (CDU, half-Iranian, age 57): No.
Charles M. Huber (CDU, half-Senegalese, age 60): No.
Heinrich Zertik (CDU, born as a member of the German minority in Kazakhstan, age 60): No.
Kees de Vries (CDU, Dutch-born, age 61): No.


I'd say an immigrantion background doesn't really play a role. Age does.

Dutch people who oppose gay marriage exist outside of CU/SGP ?