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« on: June 28, 2017, 07:53:27 AM »
« edited: September 10, 2017, 05:32:33 PM by Lechasseur »
How would you have voted if the running mate had been the presidential nominee and the presidential nominee the running mate?

1932: John Nance Garner
1936: John Nance Garner
1940: Charles McNary
1944: Harry Truman
1948: Alben Barkley
1952: Richard Nixon
1956: Richard Nixon
1960: Lyndon Johnson
1964: William Miller
1968: Spiro Agnew
1972: Spiro Agnew
1976: Bob Dole
1980: George H. W. Bush
1984: George H. W. Bush
1988: Lloyd Bentsen
1992: Al Gore
1996: Al Gore
2000: Joe Lieberman
2004: John Edwards
2008: Joe Biden
2012: Joe Biden
2016: Mike Pence
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« Reply #1 on: June 28, 2017, 08:03:17 AM »
« Edited: September 10, 2017, 05:31:15 PM by Lechasseur »
To compare, this is how I would have voted with the IRL tickets:

1932: Franklin Roosevelt
1936: Franklin Roosevelt
1940: Franklin Roosevelt
1944: Franklin Roosevelt
1948: Harry Truman
1952: Dwight Eisenhower
1956: Dwight Eisenhower
1960: John F. Kennedy
1964: Barry Goldwater
1968: Richard Nixon
1972: Richard Nixon
1976: Jimmy Carter
1980: Jimmy Carter
1984: Ronald Reagan
1988: George H. W. Bush
1992: George H. W. Bush
1996: Bill Clinton
2000: George W. Bush
2004: George W. Bush
2008: John McCain
2012: Mitt Romney
2016: Donald Trump
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« Reply #2 on: June 28, 2017, 10:10:12 AM »
(All without hindsight and assuming I vote for one of the twp major parties)

1932: John Nance Garner
1936: Frank Knox
1940: Charles McNary
1944: Harry Truman
1948: Earl Warren
1952: Richard Nixon
1956: Estes Kefauver
1960: Henry Cabot Lodge Jr.
1964: William Miller
1968: Spiro Agnew
1972: Spiro Agnew
1976: Bob Dole
1980: George H. W. Bush
1984: George H. W. Bush
1988: Lloyd Bentsen
1992: Al Gore
1996: Jack Kemp
2000: Dick Cheney
2004: Dick Cheney
2008: Joe Biden
2012: Joe Biden
2016: Tim Kaine
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« Reply #3 on: June 28, 2017, 10:47:46 AM »
1804   George Clinton (R)
1808   George Clinton (R)
1812   Elbridge Gerry (R)
1816   John Marshall (F)
1820   Richard Rush (F)
1824   Nathan Ranford (R)
1828   Richard Rush (NR)
1832   John Sergeant (NR)
1836   Richard Johnson (D)
1840   Richard Johnson (D)
1844   George Dallas (D)
1848   Charles Francis Adams (FS)
1852   George Washington Julian (FS)
1856   William L. Dayton (R)
1860   Hannibal Hamlin (R)
1864   Andrew Johnson (NU)
1868   Schuyler Colfax (R)
1872   Henry Wilson (R)
1876   William Wheeler (R)
1880   Chester A. Arthur (R)
1884   John A. Logan (R)
1888   Charles Cunningham (UL)
1892   Adlai Stevenson (D)
1896   Thomas Watson (P)
1900   Theodore Roosevelt (R)
1904   Benjamin Hanford (S)
1908   John W. Kern (D)
1912   Thomas R. Marshall (D)
1916   Thomas R. Marshall (D)
1920   Franklin D. Roosevelt (D)
1924   Burton K. Wheeler (P)
1928   Joseph T. Robinson (D)
1932   John Nance Garner (D)
1936   Frank Knox (R)
1940   Charles McNary (R)
1944   Harry S. Truman (D)
1948   Alben Barkley (D)
1952   Charlotta Bass (P)
1956   Estes Kefauver (D)
1960   Lyndon B. Johnson (D)
1964   Hubert Humphrey (D)
1968   Edmund Muskie (D)
1972   Sargent Shriver (D)
1976   Walter Mondale (D)
1980   Walter Mondale (D)
1984   Geraldine Ferraro (D)
1988   Lloyd Bentsen (D)
1992   Albert Gore (D)
1996   Albert Gore (D)
2000   Joe Lieberman (D)
2004   John Edwards (D)
2008   Joe Biden (D)
2012   Joe Biden (D)
2016   Tim Kaine (D)
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« Reply #4 on: June 28, 2017, 12:31:14 PM »
1932: John Nance Garner
1936: John Nance Garner
1940: Henry A. Wallace
1944: Harry Truman
1948: Earl Warren
1952: Richard Nixon
1956: Estes Kefauver
1960: Lyndon B. Johnson
1964: Hubert H. Humphrey
1968: Edmund Muskie
1972: Sargent Shriver
1976: Walter Mondale
1980: Walter Mondale
1984: Geraldine Ferraro
1988: Lloyd Bentsen
1992: Al Gore
1996: Al Gore
2000: Joe Lieberman
2004: John Edwards
2008: Joe Biden
2012: Joe Biden
2016: Tim Kaine
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« Reply #5 on: June 28, 2017, 01:24:02 PM »
1892: Adlai Stevenson I
1896: Thomas Watson
1900: Adlai Stevenson I
1904: Charles W. Fairbanks
1908: James S. Sherman
1912: Hiram Johnson
1916: Charles W. Fairbanks
1920: Seymour Stedman
1924: Charles W. Bryan
1928: Charles Curtis
1932: Charles Curtis
1936: Frank Knox
1940: Charles McNary
1944: Earl Warren
1948: John Bricker
1952: Charlotta Bass
1956: Estes Kefauver
1960: Henry Cabot Lodge, Jr.
1964: Hubert Humphrey
1968: Edmund Muskie
1972: Sargent Shriver
1976: Bob Dole
1980: George H. W. Bush
1984: George H. W. Bush
1988: Lloyd Bentsen
1992: James Stockdale
1996: Jack Kemp
2000: Joe Lieberman
2004: Peter Camejo
2008: Joe Biden
2012: Joe Biden
2016: Bill Weld
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« Reply #6 on: June 28, 2017, 04:56:06 PM »
« Edited: June 28, 2017, 05:29:03 PM by L.D. Smith »
Quote from: Lechasseur on June 28, 2017, 07:53:27 AM
How would you have voted if the running mate had been the presidential nominee and the presidential nominee the running mate?


1804: George Clinton                        SAME
1808: George Clinton                                             SAME
1812: Elbridge Gerry (Republican)               DeWitt Clinton
1816: John Howard (Federalist)   James Monroe
1820: Abstain                                                          James Monroe
1824: Nathan Sanford (Adams/Whig)   SAME
1828: Richard Rush                                       SAME
1832: Martin Van Buren (Democratic)        SAME
1836: Richard Johnson                                   SAME
1840: Abstain                                                          Martin Van Buren
1844: George Dallas                       ABSTAIN
1848: Charles F. Adams (Free Soil)**  SAME*
1852: George Julian (Liberty)**                    SAME*
1856: Abstain                                                      SAME
1860: Hannibal Hamlin (GOP)                        SAME
1864: Andrew Johnson                                                   SAME
1868: Schuyler Colfax                                          SAME
1872: Benjamin G. Brown                Ulysses S. Grant
1876: William Wheeler                                  SAME
1880: Chester Arthur                                                      SAME
1884: John Logan                                                       Grover Cleveland
1888: Levi Morton                                                SAME
1892: Adlai Stevenson                      James Weaver
1896: Thomas Watson (Populist)     SAME
1900: Adlai Stevenson                          SAME
1904: Thomas Tibbles                    SAME
1908: John Kern                                              SAME
1912: Thomas Marshall                                                   Theodore Roosevelt (Progressive)
1916: Thomas Marshall                                                      SAME
1920: FDR                                                              SAME
1924: Burton Wheeler (Progressive) SAME
1928: Charles Curtis                                       Al Smith
1932: Charles Curtis                                                         FDR
1936: Frank Knox                                                  FDR
1940: Henry Wallace                                            SAME
1944: Harry Truman                                                             SAME
1948: Alben Barkley                                                   SAME
1952: Richard Nixon                                 SAME
1956: Estes Kefauver                                            SAME
1960: LBJ                                                                              SAME
1964: Hubert Humphrey                                                        SAME
1968: Ed Muskie                                                                    SAME
1972: Sargent Shriver                                                           SAME
1976: Walter Mondale                                                SAME
1980: Patrick Lucey (Independent)                                     Jimmy Carter
1984: Geraldine Ferraro                                         SAME
1988: Lloyd Bentsen                                                               SAME
1992: Al Gore                                                                         SAME
1996: Al Gore                                                          Ralph Nader
2000: Winona LaDuke (Green)              Al Gore
2004: John Edwards                                           SAME
2008: Joe Biden                                                                  SAME
2012: Joe Biden                                                                  SAME***
2016: Tim Kaine                                                      SAME***

* Probable vote, but in the past I try to stick mostly to the big two and YUGE third parties like Bull Moose or Populists
** Preferred, but sticking two Whigs and Democrats of the time only, Butler for 1848 and abstain in 1852
*** Actual Votes, with no hindsight. Jill Stein in 2012 and a Write-in in 2016 were what I'd do if I relived those again
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« Reply #7 on: June 28, 2017, 06:15:54 PM »
Weld might have been my first general election vote for President had he led the Libertarian ticket. As it stood, no man who had nuked his brain with atomic THC could be trusted in the Oval Office.
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« Reply #8 on: June 28, 2017, 06:42:39 PM »
« Edited: June 28, 2017, 06:50:02 PM by Lechasseur »
Quote from: Cath on June 28, 2017, 06:15:54 PM
Weld might have been my first general election vote for President had he led the Libertarian ticket. As it stood, no man who had nuked his brain with atomic THC could be trusted in the Oval Office.

I'm not a Libertarian but Weld is an accomplished man and politician who's most certainly fit for the presidency. Johnson on the other hand no, he would have been more dangerous than either Clinton or Trump.

2016 was the election where the tickets should really have been led by the running mates rather than the nominees.
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« Reply #9 on: June 28, 2017, 06:59:57 PM »
Quote from: Lechasseur on June 28, 2017, 06:42:39 PM
Quote from: Cath on June 28, 2017, 06:15:54 PM
Weld might have been my first general election vote for President had he led the Libertarian ticket. As it stood, no man who had nuked his brain with atomic THC could be trusted in the Oval Office.

I'm not a Libertarian but Weld is an accomplished man and politician who's most certainly fit for the presidency. Johnson on the other hand no, he would have been more dangerous than either Clinton or Trump.

2016 was the election where the tickets should really have been led by the running mates rather than the nominees.

I haven't identified as a libertarian in years, but my preference for the last few months (at least), and especially since I cast my primary vote, has been that leadership occupy a space of calm, boring stability (what I regard as an implicitly conservative preference). Weld, while bringing little agreement with his positions, might have provided that at least.
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« Reply #10 on: June 28, 2017, 08:25:39 PM »
2016: Pence
2012: Ryan
2008: Biden
2004: Cheney
2000: Lieberman
1996: Kemp
1992: Quayle
1988: Bentsen
1984: Bush
1980: Bush
1976: Dole
1972: Shriver
1968: Agnew
1964: Miller
1960: Lodge
1956: Kefauver
1952: Nixon
1948: Barkley
1944: Truman
1940: McNary
1936: Garner
1932: Garner
1928: Curtis
1924: Dawes
1920: Coolidge
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« Reply #11 on: June 28, 2017, 11:25:49 PM »
1948: Warren
1952: Nixon
1956: Nixon
1960: Johnson
1964: Humphrey
1968: Muskie
1972: Shriver
1976: Mondale
1980: Bush
1984: Bush
1988: Bentsen
1992: Gore
1996: Gore
2000: Lieberman
2004: Edwards
2008: Biden
2012: Biden
2016: Kaine
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« Reply #12 on: June 29, 2017, 12:18:19 AM »
This is how I would have voted without hindsight and without taking into consideration third party options.

1896 - Garrett Hobart
1900 - Theodore Roosevelt
1904 - Charles W. Fairbanks
1908 - John W. Kern
1912 - Hiram Johnson
1916 - Thomas R. Marshall
1920 - Franklin D. Roosevelt
1924 - Charles G. Dawes
1928 - Joseph T. Robinson
1932 - Charles Curtis
1936 - Frank Knox
1940 - Charles L. McNary
1944 - Harry S. Truman
1948 - Alben W. Barkley
1952 - Richard Nixon
1956 - Estes Kefauver
1960 - Henry Cabot Lodge, Jr.
1964 - Hubert Humphrey
1968 - Edmund Muskie
1972 - Sargent Shriver
1976 - Walter Mondale
1980 - Walter Mondale
1984 - Geraldine Ferraro
1988 - Lloyd Bentsen
1992 - Al Gore
1996 - Al Gore
2000 - Joe Lieberman
2004 - John Edwards
2008 - Joe Biden
2012 - Joe Biden
2016 - Tim Kaine
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« Reply #13 on: June 29, 2017, 10:04:51 AM »
1912: Hiram Johnson
1916: Thomas Marshall
1920: Franklin Roosevelt
1924: Charles Bryan
1928: Charles Curtis
1932: Charles Curtis
1936: Frank Knox
1940: Charles McNary
1944: Harry Truman
1948: Earl Warren
1952: Richard Nixon
1956: Richard Nixon
1960: Lyndon Johnson
1964: Hubert Humphrey
1968: Edmund Muskie
1972: Spiro Agnew
1976: Bob Dole
1980: George H.W. Bush
1984: George H.W. Bush
1988: Lloyd Bentsen
1992: Al Gore
1996: Al Gore
2000: Joe Lieberman
2004: Jon Edwards
2008: Joe Biden
2012: Joe Biden
2016: Mike Pence
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« Reply #14 on: June 29, 2017, 05:14:43 PM »
1932: Garner
1936: Knox
1940: McNary
1944: Bricker
1948: Wright (Barkley if forced to choose)
1952: Nixon
1956: Nixon
1960: Abstain (Lodge if forced to choose)
1964: Miller
1968: Agnew
1972: Agnew
1976: Bergland (Dole if forced to choose)
1980: Koch
1984: Lewis
1988: Bentsen
1992: Quayle
1996: Kemp
2000: Olivier (Lieberman if forced to choose)
2004: Baldwin
2008: Palin
2012: Ryan
2016: Pence
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« Reply #15 on: June 29, 2017, 05:23:44 PM »
No Hindsight:
1932: Garner
1936: Abstain
1940: McNary
1944: Truman

1948: Warren
1952: Nixon
1956: Nixon
1960: Lodge
1964: Humphrey
1968: Agnew
1972: Agnew
1976: Dole
1980: Bush
1984:  Bush
1988: Bentsen
1992: Gore
1996: Kemp
2000: Cheney
2004: Abstain
2008: Biden
2012: Ryan
2016: Weld


With Hindsight(Of Next 4 years)Sad

1932: Abstain
1972: Shriver
2000: Lieberman





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« Reply #16 on: September 15, 2021, 05:13:15 PM »
« Edited: September 15, 2021, 10:03:00 PM by JD Vance For Senate »
Without hindsight and without potential VP consideration:

1896: Thomas Watson
1900: Teddy Roosevelt
1904: Charles Fairbanks
1908: John Kern
1912: Hiram Johnson
1916: Thomas Marshall
1920: Calvin Coolidge (Hindsight is not always 20/20)
1924: Burton Wheeler
1928: Joseph Robertson
1932: John Garner
1936: John Garner (Curtis's depression was still unpopular)
1940: Henry Wallace
1944: John Bricker
1948: Earl Warren
1952: Richard Nixon (Assuming Korea still happened)
1956: Estes Kefauver (As much as I respect Eisenhower, Nixon was no Eisenhower and was more hawkish).
1960: Lyndon Johnson
1964: Hubert Humphrey
1968: Ed Muskie (Assuming Vietnam didn't happen)
1972: Sargent Shriver
1976: Walter Mondale
1980: Walter Mondale
1984: Geraldine Ferrero
1988: Lloyd Bentesen
1992: Al Gore
1996: Al Gore
2000: Joe Lieberman
2004: John Edwards
2008: Joe Biden
2012: Joe Biden
2016: Tim Kaine
2020: Mike Pence
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« Reply #17 on: September 15, 2021, 05:25:10 PM »
1896: Garrett Hobard
1900: Teddy Roosevelt
1904: Charles Fairbanks
1908: James Sherman
1912: Nicholas Butler
1916: Charles Fairbanks
1920: Calvin Coolidge
1924: Charles Dawes
1928: Charles Curtis
1932: John Garner
1936: Abstain
1940: Charles McNary
1944: Harry Truman
1948: Alben Barkley
1952: Richard Nixon
1956: Richard Nixon
1960: Henry Carbot Lodge
1964: Hubert Humphrey
1968: Spiro Agnew
1972: Spiro Agnew
1976: Bob Dole
1980: George Bush
1984: George Bush
1988: Llyod Bentsen
1992: Al Gore
1996: Jack Kemp
2000: Joe Lieberman
2004: Dick Cheney
2008: Joe Biden
2012: Paul Ryan
2016: Mike Pence
2020: Mike Pence
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« Reply #18 on: September 15, 2021, 06:07:43 PM »
« Edited: October 06, 2021, 06:27:10 PM by darklordoftech »
1932: Garner
1936: Garner
1940: Wallace
1944: Truman
1948: Barkley
1952: Nixon
1956: Kefauver
1960: Not sure
1964: Humphrey
1968: Muskie
1972: Eagleton/Shriver
1976: Mondale
1980: Mondale
1984: Ferraro
1988: Bentsen
1992: Gore
1996: Gore
2000: Lieberman (to get him out of the Senate)
2004: Edwards
2008: Biden
2012: Biden
2016: Kaine
2020: Harris
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« Reply #19 on: October 05, 2021, 09:16:36 PM »
2020: Probably Harris
2016: Probably Kaine
2012: Undecided; maybe I'd abstain
2008: Easily Biden
2004: Edwards
2000: Liebermann
1996: Gore
1992: Gore
1988: Bentsen
1984: Undecided; maybe I'd abstain
1980: Mondale
1976: Undecided; maybe I'd abstain
1972: With hindsight, Shriver; without, Agnew
1968: Undecided; maybe I'd abstain
1964: Humphrey
1960: Undecided; maybe I'd abstain
1956: Nixon
1952: Nixon
1948: Warren
1944: Undecided; maybe I'd abstain...probably Truman in the end though because muh WWII
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« Reply #20 on: October 06, 2021, 06:18:20 PM »
1932: Charles Curtis
1936: Frank Knox (without hindsight) John Nance Garner (with hindsight)
1940: Charles McNary
1944: John Bricker
1948: Earl Warren
1952: Richard Nixon (without hindsight) John Sparkman (with hindsight)
1956: Estes Kefauver
1960: Henry Cabot Lodge
1964: William Miller
1968: Spiro Agnew (without hindsight) Edmund Muskie (with hindsight)
1972: Spiro Agnew (without hindsight) Sargent Shriver (with hindsight)
1976: Bob Dole
1980: George H.W. Bush
1984: George H.W. Bush
1988: Dan Quayle
1992: James Stockdale
1996: Tie between Jack Kemp and Pat Choate
2000: Dick Cheney (without hindsight) Joe Lieberman (with hindsight)
2004: Dick Cheney
2008: Sarah Palin
2012: Paul Ryan
2016: Mike Pence
2020: Mike Pence
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« Reply #21 on: February 07, 2022, 07:47:39 PM »
1944: Harry Truman
1948: Earl Warren
1952: Richard Nixon
1956: Estes Kefauver
1960: Henry Cabot Lodge
1964: Hubert Humphrey
1968: Ed Muskie
1972: Sargent Shriver
1976: Bob Dole
1980: George HW Bush
1984: George HW Bush
1988: Lloyd Bentesen
1992: Al Gore
1996: Jack Kemp
2000: Joe Lieberman
2004: John Edwards
2008: Joe Biden
2012: Paul Ryan
2016: Bill Weld
2020: Kamala Harris
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« Reply #22 on: February 07, 2022, 10:25:17 PM »
REVISED

1944: Harry Truman
1948: Earl Warren
1952: Richard Nixon
1956: Estes Kefauver
1960: Lyndon Johnson
1964: Hubert Humphrey
1968: Ed Muskie
1972: Sargent Shriver
1976: Bob Dole
1980: George HW Bush
1984: George HW Bush
1988: Lloyd Bentsen
1992: Al Gore
1996: Al Gore
2000: Winona LaDuke
2004: John Edwards
2008: Joe Biden
2012: Joe Biden
2016: Tim Kaine
2020: Angela Walker
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« Reply #23 on: February 07, 2022, 11:24:12 PM »
* indicates changed party preference from otl election

1804   George Clinton (Republican)
1808   George Clinton (Republican)
1812   Elbridge Gerry (Republican)*
1816   John Marshall (Federalist)*
1820   Richard Rush (Federalist)*
1824   Nathan Sanford (Republican)
1828   Richard Rush (National Republican)
1832   Martin Van Buren (Democratic)*
1836   Richard Mentor Johnson (Democratic)
1840   Thomas Earle (Liberty)
1844   Thomas Morris (Liberty)
1848   Charles Francis Adams (Free Soil)
1852   George Washington Julian (Free Soil)
1856   William Lewis Dayton (Republican)
1860   Hannibal Hamlin (Republican)
1864   Andrew Johnson (National Union)
1868   Schuyler Colfax (Republican)
1872   Henry Wilson (Republican)
1876   Samuel Fenton Cary (Greenback)
1880   Henry Adams Thompson (Prohibition)*
1884   William Daniel (Prohibition)*
1888   Charles E. Cunningham (Union Labor)*
1892   Adlai Ewing Stevenson I (Democratic)*
1896   Thomas Edward Watson (People's)
1900   Adlai Ewing Stevenson I (Democratic)
1904   Benjamin Hanford (Socialist)*
1908   John Worth Kern (Democratic)
1912   Thomas Riley Marshall (Democratic)*
1916   Thomas Riley Marshall (Democratic)
1920   Franklin Delano Roosevelt (Democratic)*
1924   Burton Kendall Wheeler (Progressive)
1928   Joseph Taylor Robinson (Democratic)
1932   James Hudson Maurer (Socialist)*
1936   William Franklin Knox (Republican)*
1940   Henry Agard Wallace (Democratic)
1944   Harry S. Truman (Democratic)
1948   Alben Warren Barkley (Democratic)
1952   Charlotta Spears Bass (Progressive)*
1956   Carey Estes Kefauver (Democratic)
1960   Lyndon Baines Johnson (Democratic)
1964   Hubert Horatio Humphrey (Democratic)
1968   Edmund Sixtus Muskie (Democratic)
1972   Robert Sargent Shriver (Democratic)
1976   Walter Frederick Mondale (Democratic)
1980   Walter Frederick Mondale (Democratic)
1984   Geraldine Ferraro (Democratic)
1988   Lloyd Millard Bentsen (Democratic)
1992   Albert Arnold Gore (Democratic)
1996   Albert Arnold Gore (Democratic)
2000   Winona LaDuke (Green)*
2004   Johnny Reid Edwards (Democratic)
2008   Joseph Robinette Biden (Democratic)
2012   Joseph Robinette Biden (Democratic)
2016   Timothy Michael Kaine (Democratic)
2020   Kamala Harris (Democratic)
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« Reply #24 on: February 08, 2022, 11:58:08 AM »
Only doing post WW2

1948: Earl Warren (both good choices)
1952: Richard Nixon (both bad choices)
1956: Estes Kefauver
1960: Lyndon B. Johnson
1964: Hubert Humphrey
1968: Edmund Muskie
1972: Sargent Shriver
1976: Walter Mondale
1980: Walter Mondale
1984: Geraldine Ferraro
1988: Lloyd Bentsen
1992: Al Gore
1996: Al Gore
2000: Joe Lieberman
2004: John Edwards
2008: Joe Biden
2012: Joe Biden
2016: Tim Kaine
2020: Kamala Harris
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