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« on: August 12, 2005, 09:07:14 pm »

Definitely FDR. A 25% reduction in spending takes the cake.
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« Reply #1 on: August 12, 2005, 09:12:28 pm »

Definitely FDR. A 25% reduction in spending takes the cake.

Boy, they sure punished him for that in 1936.
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« Reply #2 on: August 12, 2005, 09:16:26 pm »

Funny that you mention that. I was going to say the runner up is Richard Nixon: no wage or price controls.
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« Reply #3 on: August 12, 2005, 09:45:12 pm »

Definitely FDR. A 25% reduction in spending takes the cake.

This was not a lie. There is reason to believe he really had no clue of what he'd be doing - honestly, nobody had a clue then, nor, really, has it now what should have been done. The lie is when you say something knowing when you are saying it that you aren't going to do it or that it is not true.  That he eventually decided on a course of action he did might have been for the good or for the bad (actually, even now nobody really knows the answer to this, though pretty much everyone is convinced that a major reduction of spending then would have been a disaster), but re-analyzing the situation and changing the policies accordingly does not make original promises lies, unless you can show he never intended to do what he claimed he'd do.   

Assuming he was convinced in early 1933 that sticking to his promise was a disastrous policy, being true to his promises meant not performing his duty. Within the framework of the US Constitution he could not run a new election under a new program.  Perhaps, that's an argument for a parliamentary system (a British Prime-Minister could have called a new election) or a direct democracy (a Swiss or Californian gov't could call a referendum).
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« Reply #4 on: August 12, 2005, 10:09:44 pm »

The point is who broke his campaign promises the most.

Obviously, there are implied qualifiers to everything, all people having limited knowledge.
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« Reply #5 on: August 14, 2005, 09:53:11 am »

I'd say Bill Clinton made some campaign promises he had no intention of keeping.  His promise of a middle class tax cut was never sincere, and turned into a tax increase, and he had no intention of fulfilling his pledge to "end welfare as we know it" in a meaningful way.  It was only the Republican capture of congress that forced his hand on this one.  Otherwise, it would never had been fulfilled.
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« Reply #6 on: August 14, 2005, 10:08:58 pm »

Bill Clinton.   Lying is what the man does best. 
really? cause i was pretty sure that having sex with ugly chicks is what hes best at. not lying.

Honestly, id say.....Nixon
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« Reply #7 on: August 14, 2005, 10:34:34 pm »

Bill Clinton. Lying is what the man does best.
really? cause i was pretty sure that having sex with ugly chicks is what hes best at. not lying.




Ehhh. You got a point. He excels at both.

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« Reply #8 on: August 15, 2005, 08:38:30 am »

Nixon and his "secret plan" to get out of Vietnam was pretty funny.  George H.W. Bush and "no new taxes."  Clinton thinking he was the second coming of Franklin Roosevelt.  Just to name a few.
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« Reply #9 on: August 15, 2005, 09:55:38 pm »

Wilson "He kept us out of war". The only man he kept out of war was Teddy Roosevelt.
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« Reply #10 on: August 16, 2005, 03:01:48 am »

Wilson "He kept us out of war". The only man he kept out of war was Teddy Roosevelt.

He did keep us out of war.

Never made any promises as to what he'd do come March 1917, though...

(War declared, what, less than 6 weeks after his inauguration...)


Damn you Hughes and your croquet game....
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« Reply #11 on: August 16, 2005, 09:26:53 am »

Wilson "He kept us out of war". The only man he kept out of war was Teddy Roosevelt.

He did keep us out of war.

Never made any promises as to what he'd do come March 1917, though...

(War declared, what, less than 6 weeks after his inauguration...)



Right.  The slogan was "he kept us out of the war", not "he will bring us into the war."  By  the end of 1916, it was pretty inevitable that war was on the horizon.
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« Reply #12 on: August 16, 2005, 11:08:45 am »

Wilson "He kept us out of war". The only man he kept out of war was Teddy Roosevelt.

Beef's outrageous speculation of the day:

Had TR been elected in 1912, WWII would never have happened.
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« Reply #13 on: August 17, 2005, 12:52:06 am »

Had Benjamin Harrison been re-elected in 1892, WWII never would have happened.
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« Reply #14 on: August 22, 2005, 03:37:52 pm »

Bush41 had the most prominent and memorable one, "read my lips...no new taxes."
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« Reply #15 on: August 23, 2005, 12:33:55 am »

I would say Bush's tax plan with that Iowa family during the 2000 campaign, when he tried to portray that the working class would receive huge tax cuts , and how he went on with the average American spewl in their savings.  When he was using the (average tax cut $$) as opposed to the average American's saving (because of how it was structured the AVERAGE tax cut Bush so proudly spouted was received by less than 10% taxpayers.
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« Reply #16 on: August 23, 2005, 12:38:58 am »

president #1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19
,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,28,29,30,31,32,34,35,36,37,38,39,40,41,42 and 43 Wink
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« Reply #17 on: August 23, 2005, 12:44:14 am »

You missed the biggest one Wink
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« Reply #18 on: October 24, 2005, 11:59:54 pm »

Let's not forget W's promise of a humble foreign policy that steers clear of nation building. I'll give him a pass on Afghanistan because it was the right thing to do after 9/11, but Iraq is such a blatent 180 degree turn from his statements in the 2000 campaign that he must win this contest.
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« Reply #19 on: November 06, 2005, 08:46:13 am »

Bill Clinton. Lying is what the man does best.
really? cause i was pretty sure that having sex with ugly chicks is what hes best at. not lying.

Honestly, id say.....Nixon

I think Nixon did pretty much what he said he'd do during his campaign.  What came afterward may be a different issue, but I wouldn't say he was elected under fale pretenses.  People had every reason to know what policies he would follow when electing him.  I would have voted for Nixon in 1968 and 1972, btw, given conditions at the time.
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« Reply #20 on: November 06, 2005, 11:57:06 am »

Bill Clinton. Lying is what the man does best.
really? cause i was pretty sure that having sex with ugly chicks is what hes best at. not lying.

Honestly, id say.....Nixon

I think Nixon did pretty much what he said he'd do during his campaign. What came afterward may be a different issue, but I wouldn't say he was elected under fale pretenses. People had every reason to know what policies he would follow when electing him. I would have voted for Nixon in 1968 and 1972, btw, given conditions at the time.
This is true. I think I was thinking "Who lied the most".
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« Reply #21 on: November 10, 2005, 04:21:07 am »

Had Benjamin Harrison been re-elected in 1892, WWII never would have happened.

Would you mind explaining that one?
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« Reply #22 on: November 13, 2005, 03:29:25 am »

Big lies I can think of:

Wilson: No involvement in the War
FDR: States rights and spending cuts (And no, ag, he didn't propose the new Deal by accident)
Nixon: A secret plan to win the war
GHW Bush: No new taxes
Clinton: A middle class tax cut

I only approve of FDR's lie, since his actual plicy was better than his proposed policy.  Regardless of whether their policies or promises were right or not, Wilson and Nixon lied about matters of war which is almost always wrong.  The other Presidents put policies into place that were harmful, whereas their promise had been for a policy that was good.
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« Reply #23 on: November 13, 2005, 03:50:46 am »

Here are some Bush ones (too lazy to find the actual quotes). Some are more hypocritical than a lie. 

Bush called on the President (Clinton) to have an exit plan (from Kosovo). Bush railed against nation building.
Bush said that he'd preserve the lockbox too (which meant not borrowing money from SS). In 2000, there was an $87B surplus. We're now running somewhere around $600B a year deficits ($160B of which is borrowed from SS).

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« Reply #24 on: November 13, 2005, 11:45:28 pm »

Had Benjamin Harrison been re-elected in 1892, WWII never would have happened.

Would you mind explaining that one?

Entirely possible that the Venezuelan crisis would have turned out differently under Harrison...leading to all sorts of future difficulties regarding Anglo-US relations...you get the picture.
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