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« on: July 02, 2017, 12:46:53 PM »
« edited: July 09, 2017, 02:36:29 PM by Ἅιδης »

I read in another thread that Hawaii'S Governor David Ige is extremely unpopular.
Let's say he runs again as a gubernatorial candidate and wins the primary;
if Hawaiian resident Roseanne Barr, who used to be a member of the Greens and of the Peace and Freedom Party, joins the Green Party again, could she become Governor of Hawaii and thus winning a statewide race for the Greens for the first time?
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« Reply #1 on: July 02, 2017, 04:33:46 PM »

1. This is the polling thread.
2. 0% chance.
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« Reply #2 on: July 03, 2017, 09:39:38 AM »


Even though Ige is extremely unpopular?
Do you think Democrats are too loyal to their own party?
Mufi Hannemann received 12% of the vote in 2014. Roseanne is much more famous than him and she has already gained experience in canvassing.
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« Reply #3 on: July 09, 2017, 07:08:52 AM »

I think everybody agrees with me that Hawaii is the easiest state to be won by the Greens.
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« Reply #4 on: July 09, 2017, 10:25:08 AM »

I think everybody agrees with me that Hawaii is the easiest state to be won by the Greens.

No? There is no indication that Asian-Americans have any inclination to vote Green over Democrats. I think the best state for Greens to win would be Vermont, but the Vermont Progressive Party fills the left-wing non-Democratic role there anyway. Actually I don't think the Vermont Greens exist anymore.
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« Reply #5 on: July 09, 2017, 11:57:52 AM »

I think everybody agrees with me that Hawaii is the easiest state to be won by the Greens.

No? There is no indication that Asian-Americans have any inclination to vote Green over Democrats. I think the best state for Greens to win would be Vermont, but the Vermont Progressive Party fills the left-wing non-Democratic role there anyway. Actually I don't think the Vermont Greens exist anymore.
Hawaii was Jill Steins best state
And Nader did very well in 2000 there
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« Reply #6 on: July 09, 2017, 01:11:41 PM »

1: Jill Stein got less than 3% of the vote in Hawaii. You don't go from Purple heart% to 50%+1.
2: Roseanne Barr's personal experience with canvassing would not help her in anyway whatsoever. You don't win a Gubernatorial election by personally knocking on doors. You need an expansive field team doing that work for you, and Barr would not be able to generate that kind of support. It's conservatives, not leftists, who support actors for executives.
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« Reply #7 on: July 09, 2017, 01:26:01 PM »

From what I recall, Roseanne has been very critical of the Green Party and Stein since she left it, so I have a difficult time seeing them take her back. Even if they did, I could see if everything went right for her, her getting maybe high single/ low double digits, which would not be enough to even swing the race to the GOP. I think it would be more likely she'd get maybe 2 or 3%.
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« Reply #8 on: July 09, 2017, 02:12:14 PM »

My assumption that Barr might win the gubernatorial election is based on Ige's abysmal polling numbers. In case it comes to an three-way race, she would only need about 33%. Her name recognition and Hawaii's penchant for liberal politics might tip the scale.
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« Reply #9 on: July 09, 2017, 02:21:45 PM »

ftr it's Roseanne*

Anyway, isn't she participating in a reboot of her sitcom (link)? If she becomes a bigger thing, I can't imagine it leaves her with room to for an election (as silly as the idea is, imo)
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« Reply #10 on: July 09, 2017, 03:30:45 PM »

She's ruining her political career for a mediocre remake of her sitcom?
When will people finally learn that you can only lose by doing revivals of series long dead of a bygone era?
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« Reply #11 on: July 09, 2017, 03:55:49 PM »

She's ruining her political career for a mediocre remake of her sitcom?
When will people finally learn that you can only lose by doing revivals of series long dead of a bygone era?

She never really had a political career lmao
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« Reply #12 on: July 09, 2017, 07:48:25 PM »

Hawaii is a state where the Green Party getting to 5% or even 10% is probably easier than in most states, but simultaneously would be harder for them to win a plurality/majority than in most states.

It has everything to do with the raw demographics of the state; namely, the broader makeup of the white electorate stacked against the broader reality that HI is the least-white and most diverse state in the country. The white people living there are disproportionately non-native, well-off and arguably more (dare I say) edgy/hipster than elsewhere, while non-whites in general have a disproportionately greater likelihood of adhering to the two parties in any general election.

Add to that the fact that native Hawaiian turnout is absolutely pathetic, and you end up with a situation where a very large segment of non-white voters are not going to be in the mood for protest candidacies and the like; higher turnout across an electorate generally begets a higher third-party vote share, and vice-versa.

In effect, it means that third parties can rack up higher vote totals from the small but more receptive white electorate before they run into the brick wall that is the remainder of the state's electorate.
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« Reply #13 on: July 10, 2017, 09:41:29 PM »

Roseanne is getting ready to return to TV. No way she runs for anything.
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« Reply #14 on: June 07, 2018, 08:01:24 AM »

I read in another thread that Hawaii'S Governor David Ige is extremely unpopular.
Let's say he runs again as a gubernatorial candidate and wins the primary;
if Hawaiian resident Roseanne Barr, who used to be a member of the Greens and of the Peace and Freedom Party, joins the Green Party again, could she become Governor of Hawaii and thus winning a statewide race for the Greens for the first time?

File this under "posts that did not age well"
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« Reply #15 on: June 07, 2018, 08:13:25 AM »

I read in another thread that Hawaii'S Governor David Ige is extremely unpopular.
Let's say he runs again as a gubernatorial candidate and wins the primary;
if Hawaiian resident Roseanne Barr, who used to be a member of the Greens and of the Peace and Freedom Party, joins the Green Party again, could she become Governor of Hawaii and thus winning a statewide race for the Greens for the first time?

File this under "posts that did not age well"
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« Reply #16 on: June 07, 2018, 08:21:36 AM »

She's a comedian and country is done with them since AL Franken
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« Reply #17 on: June 07, 2018, 07:25:21 PM »

She's a comedian and country is done with them since AL Franken

Trump is kind of comedian. He is hard to take seriously but there is nothing funny about him.
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« Reply #18 on: June 11, 2018, 01:07:04 PM »

I never created this thread. Someone hacked my account and started this topic. Tongue
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« Reply #19 on: June 11, 2018, 06:16:11 PM »

LOL
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« Reply #20 on: June 11, 2018, 06:30:17 PM »

I never created this thread. Someone hacked my account and started this topic. Tongue

It was ambien!
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