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« Reply #50 on: January 12, 2004, 04:31:45 PM »
Quote from: jravnsbo on January 12, 2004, 04:30:22 PM
The Green party already does influence a few House races.  PLus Dems continue to blame them instead of listening to them and embracing some of their concerns.
We wouldn't win a nationwide election if we "embraced" the Green's point of view.  
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« Reply #51 on: January 12, 2004, 04:32:49 PM »
Not all their issues but maybe just something or give them a position or two in an administration.  Something, rather than just blame them for Gore's loss.  Still all i hear from Democrats.


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Quote from: jravnsbo on January 12, 2004, 04:30:22 PM
The Green party already does influence a few House races.  PLus Dems continue to blame them instead of listening to them and embracing some of their concerns.
We wouldn't win a nationwide election if we "embraced" the Green's point of view.  
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« Reply #52 on: January 13, 2004, 09:19:19 PM »
Quote from: jravnsbo on January 12, 2004, 04:32:49 PM
Not all their issues but maybe just something or give them a position or two in an administration.  Something, rather than just blame them for Gore's loss.  Still all i hear from Democrats.


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Quote from: jravnsbo on January 12, 2004, 04:30:22 PM
The Green party already does influence a few House races.  PLus Dems continue to blame them instead of listening to them and embracing some of their concerns.
We wouldn't win a nationwide election if we "embraced" the Green's point of view.  

A Greenie as EPA Administrator, perhaps?  Carol Browner probably was now that I think of it.
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« Reply #53 on: January 13, 2004, 11:13:46 PM »
exactly, nader there or sec of interior and he would be happy or at least to his Greener friends.
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« Reply #54 on: April 10, 2004, 08:44:51 PM »
George W Bush would have one. Nader took away votes from bush because he was always attacking bush. The democrates always complain about nader costing them the election, but if nader wasn't running gore would have lost hugly.
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« Reply #55 on: April 10, 2004, 09:29:51 PM »
Nader's platform and talk show appearances made no difference. There were far more Democratic deserters to Nader than Republican deserters to Nader. This is why Nader took Florida and my home state away from Gore.
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« Reply #56 on: April 10, 2004, 09:35:24 PM »
Quote from: zachman on April 10, 2004, 09:29:51 PM
Nader's platform and talk show appearances made no difference. There were far more Democratic deserters to Nader than Republican deserters to Nader. This is why Nader took Florida and my home state away from Gore.

I dont think he took them away from gore. He took them away from bush. If nader didn't run bush would have won Florida with more then 500 votes.
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« Reply #57 on: April 10, 2004, 09:38:48 PM »
Quote from: nader on April 10, 2004, 09:35:24 PM
Quote from: zachman on April 10, 2004, 09:29:51 PM
Nader's platform and talk show appearances made no difference. There were far more Democratic deserters to Nader than Republican deserters to Nader. This is why Nader took Florida and my home state away from Gore.

I dont think he took them away from gore. He took them away from bush. If nader didn't run bush would have won Florida with more then 500 votes.
The core of Nader's supporters were democratic deserters who were angry at the Democrats copying the Republicans. Gore was stale and Nader was much more exciting hence a dropoff there.
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« Reply #58 on: April 10, 2004, 09:56:15 PM »
I dissagree, naders main supports were "undecided" or "independents" who just wanted a third party alternative.
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« Reply #59 on: April 12, 2004, 01:17:45 PM »
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« Reply #60 on: April 12, 2004, 03:27:46 PM »
Quote from: nader on April 10, 2004, 09:35:24 PM
I dont think he took them away from gore. He took them away from bush. If nader didn't run bush would have won Florida with more then 500 votes.

That is simply false.
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« Reply #61 on: April 12, 2004, 03:29:54 PM »
Quote from: QQQQQQ on April 12, 2004, 03:27:46 PM
Quote from: nader on April 10, 2004, 09:35:24 PM
I dont think he took them away from gore. He took them away from bush. If nader didn't run bush would have won Florida with more then 500 votes.

That is simply false.

Yep.
But "nader" is a LaRouche fan...
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« Reply #62 on: April 13, 2004, 04:00:36 PM »
Quote from: NewFederalist on April 13, 2004, 12:42:20 PM
If Perot cost George H.W. Bush the 1992 race, then Nader gave the 2000 race to his son. I'm not sure actual polling data supports either position but it sure seems to be ingrained conventional wisdom.

We have already defeated the proposition that Perot cost Bush the election.
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