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« Reply #375 on: October 24, 2017, 01:59:09 PM »

Holy smokes!
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« Reply #376 on: October 24, 2017, 02:00:25 PM »

So if Ward wins the primary, will both of Arizona’s senators endorse Sinema?
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« Reply #377 on: October 24, 2017, 02:00:37 PM »
« Edited: October 24, 2017, 02:06:20 PM by IceSpear »

But remember everyone. Like RINO Tom tells us, most Republicans are not like Trump! He was just a one off thing! It's just a coincidence that any Republican who criticizes Trump becomes toxic and is cast out of the party! Really!

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« Reply #378 on: October 24, 2017, 02:03:31 PM »

D+1.
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« Reply #379 on: October 24, 2017, 02:05:18 PM »

Not that surprising, though definitely big news.

I'm not sure whether this helps or hurts Sinema's chances - on the one hand, it makes this a guaranteed open seat race in a cycle without a ton of targets, guaranteeing her good fundraising. On the other hand, it actually decreases the odds she faces a toxic GOP nominee (Ward's chances go down once others get into the race, and Flake obviously won't be her opponent), so it's probably a wash.

This is probably good news for the country though, if it means that Kelli Ward will have a worse chance of winning the nomination and therefore a worse chance of becoming a US senator.
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« Reply #380 on: October 24, 2017, 02:05:20 PM »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbtUGsEIAkA

Color little Arizonan me thoroughly shocked and awed. I never thought he would do it. I'm pretty sure this clears the field for Ward, since all the remaining high-profile candidates are either fellow Trumpists and Tea Partiers or Martha McSally, who I'm almost certain is waiting for McCain's seat to open.
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« Reply #381 on: October 24, 2017, 02:05:47 PM »

It will be interesting to see if Flake now starts publicly criticizing Trump the way Corker has.
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« Reply #382 on: October 24, 2017, 02:07:23 PM »

Holy sh*t
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« Reply #383 on: October 24, 2017, 02:07:57 PM »

Only benefits Pubs - now they are not stuck with the choice of the Unpopular Reverse-Trangulator, and the Chemtrail researcher. But perhaps there isn't enough time for another candidate to build an organization to challenge Kelly, though I doubt it. McSally might now take the plunge, though I expect shes holding out for the McCain retirement.
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« Reply #384 on: October 24, 2017, 02:08:33 PM »

I never expected Flake to implode like that. Good riddance!

(Still think NV flips before AZ, though.)
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« Reply #385 on: October 24, 2017, 02:09:24 PM »

But remember everyone. Like RINO Tom tells us, most Republicans are not like Trump! He was just a one off thing! It's just a coincidence that any Republican who criticizes Trump becomes toxic and is cast out of the party! Really!
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« Reply #386 on: October 24, 2017, 02:09:33 PM »

Wow. Was not expecting that.

Rating moves from Toss-Up to Lean D, though I'll reconsider if an alternative establishment candidate enters, and my endorsement remains up for grabs. Arizona's senate primary isn't until August '18.
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« Reply #387 on: October 24, 2017, 02:10:52 PM »

Probably another R will get in at least, so less chance of Ward winning.
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« Reply #388 on: October 24, 2017, 02:11:30 PM »

Wow. Was not expecting that.

Rating moves from Toss-Up to Lean D, though I'll reconsider if an alternative establishment candidate enters, and my endorsement remains up for grabs. Arizona's senate primary isn't until August '18.

I expect the fight for this to be quite vicious Roll Eyes
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« Reply #389 on: October 24, 2017, 02:11:58 PM »

Everyone this is good news both flake and ward were garbage candidates. I honestly think it goes from Toss up to lean/likely republican.
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« Reply #390 on: October 24, 2017, 02:12:27 PM »

Martha McSally would be an obvious choice... but then that house race shifts more D.
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« Reply #391 on: October 24, 2017, 02:13:08 PM »

I still think another R will get in. Not like Blackburn has a clear field so likely someone else will get in.
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« Reply #392 on: October 24, 2017, 02:13:21 PM »

Well this is huge.

This helps the Rs imo.  Moves the race from Tilt/Lean D back to Tossup/Tilt D.

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« Reply #393 on: October 24, 2017, 02:13:37 PM »

Wow. Was not expecting that.

Rating moves from Toss-Up to Lean D, though I'll reconsider if an alternative establishment candidate enters, and my endorsement remains up for grabs. Arizona's senate primary isn't until August '18.

That may be premature. It was getting to the point that Flake was almost the worse GE candidate, and the guarantee of a brutal Republican primary was part of what gave Sinema such a good chance. Now, unless a credible establishment Republican jumps in, Ward is going to sail to the GE just as easily as Sinema and end up in better shape for it (at least relatively; I don't think Kelli F**king Ward will ever actually be in good shape in this state).
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« Reply #394 on: October 24, 2017, 02:16:59 PM »

It will be interesting to see if Flake now starts publicly criticizing Trump the way Corker has.

From what I'm hearing about Flake's speech on the Senate floor, this didn't take long to answer.
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« Reply #395 on: October 24, 2017, 02:18:02 PM »

Wow. Was not expecting that.

Rating moves from Toss-Up to Lean D, though I'll reconsider if an alternative establishment candidate enters, and my endorsement remains up for grabs. Arizona's senate primary isn't until August '18.

That may be premature. It was getting to the point that Flake was almost the worse GE candidate, and the guarantee of a brutal Republican primary was part of what gave Sinema such a good chance. Now, unless a credible establishment Republican jumps in, Ward is going to sail to the GE just as easily as Sinema and end up in better shape for it (at least relatively; I don't think Kelli F**king Ward will ever actually be in good shape in this state).

I am treating the race as Sinema vs. Ward, which is a Lean D race, unless and until someone establishment jumps in.
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« Reply #396 on: October 24, 2017, 02:18:13 PM »

I don't actually think this necessarily reduces Ward's chances since she's the one who's most attuned to the GOP primary electorate. which speaks numbers to what a mess the GOP is currently in as a party.

Lean D.
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« Reply #397 on: October 24, 2017, 02:19:40 PM »
« Edited: October 24, 2017, 02:21:58 PM by dotard »

AZ Leaning D? You know what this means for 2018?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uysp-0E5wD8
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« Reply #398 on: October 24, 2017, 02:20:52 PM »

Wow. Was not expecting that.

Rating moves from Toss-Up to Lean D, though I'll reconsider if an alternative establishment candidate enters, and my endorsement remains up for grabs. Arizona's senate primary isn't until August '18.

That may be premature. It was getting to the point that Flake was almost the worse GE candidate, and the guarantee of a brutal Republican primary was part of what gave Sinema such a good chance. Now, unless a credible establishment Republican jumps in, Ward is going to sail to the GE just as easily as Sinema and end up in better shape for it (at least relatively; I don't think Kelli F**king Ward will ever actually be in good shape in this state).

I am treating the race as Sinema vs. Ward, which is a Lean D race, unless and until someone establishment jumps in.
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« Reply #399 on: October 24, 2017, 02:22:38 PM »

Martha McSally would be an obvious choice... but then that house race shifts more D.

Good luck to her winning a primary though
She is waiting for McCain to retire and call upon her to be his successor.

This is good news for Republicans since someone else is naturally going to hop in the race. This person will not be a conspiracy theorist and not be the most unpopular senator in the country, so they already start out better then either past candidate. Sinema's chances go down now that she probably won't be facing such a horrible opponent.
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