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Question: Could Martha McSally become the establishment candidate?
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« Reply #325 on: October 01, 2017, 04:40:11 PM »

Let's just say Heller isn't the most vulnerable anymore.
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« Reply #326 on: October 02, 2017, 10:52:42 AM »

52%. For comparison, I have Rosen at 55%.
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« Reply #327 on: October 02, 2017, 01:13:13 PM »

I think the GOP has totally screwed the pooch on this one. Ward might well win the primary, which will make the race even tougher for them.


Of course, even with he Dems picking up both NV and AZ, the GOP could balance that out by winning on Dem turf, but I'd say that the Dems have a good chance of at least going neutral or +1 (I'm assuming MO-SEN is a likely GOP pickup) if they pick up those two seats, which is far better than they have any reason to hope for.
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« Reply #328 on: October 02, 2017, 01:19:25 PM »

I think the GOP has totally screwed the pooch on this one. Ward might well win the primary, which will make the race even tougher for them.


Of course, even with he Dems picking up both NV and AZ, the GOP could balance that out by winning on Dem turf, but I'd say that the Dems have a good chance of at least going neutral or +1 (I'm assuming MO-SEN is a likely GOP pickup) if they pick up those two seats, which is far better than they have any reason to hope for.

I completely agree with you here. Also MO-Sen has pretty much become a laughable self-fulfilling prophecy.

Arizona is becoming much easier compared to what early conventional wisdom suggested and Heller is looking less dead on arrival than expected but Democrats should win it but not take it for granted.
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« Reply #329 on: October 02, 2017, 01:42:40 PM »

I think the GOP has totally screwed the pooch on this one. Ward might well win the primary, which will make the race even tougher for them.


Of course, even with he Dems picking up both NV and AZ, the GOP could balance that out by winning on Dem turf, but I'd say that the Dems have a good chance of at least going neutral or +1 (I'm assuming MO-SEN is a likely GOP pickup) if they pick up those two seats, which is far better than they have any reason to hope for.

Strategically speaking, the best chance the GOP would have had in making huge gains would have been to back off and let Hillary take the White House (assuming they had that much control - they didn't). Any midterm under a Republican president would make large gains difficult, as you can't expect elections like 2002 to happen again. Midterms are just too favorable to out-party incumbents. If Hillary had won, Republicans could have capitalized on a extremely favorable map and possibly built a Senate supermajority by 2020, along with locking down control of redistricting en masse for the 2020s. The early 2020s could have seen a deluge of conservative policy under a competent Republican president. Oh well!

Of course, I guess some would say the presidency is worth losing all that, but in this particular instance I would have to disagree. Winning the White House this time is a curse that Republicans will regret for a long, long time.
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« Reply #330 on: October 02, 2017, 07:04:32 PM »


Socialist Cinema is my favorite phase of Jean-Luc Godard's career.
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« Reply #331 on: October 03, 2017, 09:22:23 AM »

Outside the box question for people more in the know than me: if Ward beats Flake in the primary, is there any chance Flake pulls a Murkowski and runs in the general anyways as an Indy? Are there sore loser ballot restrictions in AZ that would prevent it?
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« Reply #332 on: October 03, 2017, 09:33:08 AM »

Outside the box question for people more in the know than me: if Ward beats Flake in the primary, is there any chance Flake pulls a Murkowski and runs in the general anyways as an Indy? Are there sore loser ballot restrictions in AZ that would prevent it?

Murkowski didn't run as an independent though, she ran as a write-in. There is a spot for a write-in on the Arizona ballot but I doubt Flake would be anywhere near as successful. He'd split the republican vote which would allow Sinema to win easily, especially since the democratic party is much stronger in Arizona than it is in Alaska.
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« Reply #333 on: October 03, 2017, 10:21:47 AM »

Outside the box question for people more in the know than me: if Ward beats Flake in the primary, is there any chance Flake pulls a Murkowski and runs in the general anyways as an Indy? Are there sore loser ballot restrictions in AZ that would prevent it?

Murkowski didn't run as an independent though, she ran as a write-in. There is a spot for a write-in on the Arizona ballot but I doubt Flake would be anywhere near as successful. He'd split the republican vote which would allow Sinema to win easily, especially since the democratic party is much stronger in Arizona than it is in Alaska.

Yeah, this. It worked for Murkowski because she was able to attract even moderate Ds to her candidacy. That would never happen with Flake.
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« Reply #334 on: October 03, 2017, 10:25:03 AM »

Outside the box question for people more in the know than me: if Ward beats Flake in the primary, is there any chance Flake pulls a Murkowski and runs in the general anyways as an Indy? Are there sore loser ballot restrictions in AZ that would prevent it?

Murkowski didn't run as an independent though, she ran as a write-in. There is a spot for a write-in on the Arizona ballot but I doubt Flake would be anywhere near as successful. He'd split the republican vote which would allow Sinema to win easily, especially since the democratic party is much stronger in Arizona than it is in Alaska.

Yeah, this. It worked for Murkowski because she was able to attract even moderate Ds to her candidacy. That would never happen with Flake.

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« Reply #335 on: October 03, 2017, 09:48:24 PM »

While I still think Napolitano or Giffords would be a stronger candidate, I'd give Sinema a 50/50 shot.
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« Reply #336 on: October 03, 2017, 10:15:24 PM »
« Edited: October 03, 2017, 10:17:47 PM by Pollster »

Here are the results of my GCS poll:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bynnt69uB-jIX2NUd290ZENHUVE/view?usp=sharing

As always, I cut, codified, weighted and analyzed the raw data using my own methodology, so I do hope this is more accurate and respectable than a run-of-the-mill GCS poll.

Caveat is that no undecided option was presented to respondents due to lack of space.
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« Reply #337 on: October 04, 2017, 07:05:57 PM »

Here are the results of my GCS poll:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bynnt69uB-jIX2NUd290ZENHUVE/view?usp=sharing

As always, I cut, codified, weighted and analyzed the raw data using my own methodology, so I do hope this is more accurate and respectable than a run-of-the-mill GCS poll.

Caveat is that no undecided option was presented to respondents due to lack of space.

Very professional looking!
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« Reply #338 on: October 04, 2017, 07:37:48 PM »

Here are the results of my GCS poll:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bynnt69uB-jIX2NUd290ZENHUVE/view?usp=sharing

As always, I cut, codified, weighted and analyzed the raw data using my own methodology, so I do hope this is more accurate and respectable than a run-of-the-mill GCS poll.

Caveat is that no undecided option was presented to respondents due to lack of space.

Huh, those are some solid numbers for Sinema. Especially since you'd think that undecideds forced into making a choice would go for the incumbent.
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« Reply #339 on: October 04, 2017, 08:07:52 PM »

Here are the results of my GCS poll:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bynnt69uB-jIX2NUd290ZENHUVE/view?usp=sharing

As always, I cut, codified, weighted and analyzed the raw data using my own methodology, so I do hope this is more accurate and respectable than a run-of-the-mill GCS poll.

Caveat is that no undecided option was presented to respondents due to lack of space.

If those numbers play out, Flake is even deader than I thought he was.
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« Reply #340 on: October 04, 2017, 08:38:46 PM »

Here are the results of my GCS poll:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bynnt69uB-jIX2NUd290ZENHUVE/view?usp=sharing

As always, I cut, codified, weighted and analyzed the raw data using my own methodology, so I do hope this is more accurate and respectable than a run-of-the-mill GCS poll.

Caveat is that no undecided option was presented to respondents due to lack of space.

Color me skeptical on the age cross-tabs.
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« Reply #341 on: October 04, 2017, 11:02:21 PM »

Here are the results of my GCS poll:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bynnt69uB-jIX2NUd290ZENHUVE/view?usp=sharing

As always, I cut, codified, weighted and analyzed the raw data using my own methodology, so I do hope this is more accurate and respectable than a run-of-the-mill GCS poll.

Caveat is that no undecided option was presented to respondents due to lack of space.

LOL @ Sinema getting 39% of Republicans. GCS continues to be a joke.
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« Reply #342 on: October 04, 2017, 11:09:03 PM »

Here are the results of my GCS poll:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bynnt69uB-jIX2NUd290ZENHUVE/view?usp=sharing

As always, I cut, codified, weighted and analyzed the raw data using my own methodology, so I do hope this is more accurate and respectable than a run-of-the-mill GCS poll.

Caveat is that no undecided option was presented to respondents due to lack of space.

LOL @ Sinema getting 39% of Republicans. GCS continues to be a joke.

Maybe, but if that poll is within even 10% of being correct, then Flake's career is still over.
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« Reply #343 on: October 04, 2017, 11:10:31 PM »

Here are the results of my GCS poll:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bynnt69uB-jIX2NUd290ZENHUVE/view?usp=sharing

As always, I cut, codified, weighted and analyzed the raw data using my own methodology, so I do hope this is more accurate and respectable than a run-of-the-mill GCS poll.

Caveat is that no undecided option was presented to respondents due to lack of space.

LOL @ Sinema getting 39% of Republicans. GCS continues to be a joke.

I wouldn't be shocked if she got 20%
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« Reply #344 on: October 04, 2017, 11:26:29 PM »

While I still think Napolitano or Giffords would be a stronger candidate, I'd give Sinema a 50/50 shot.

More like 60/40 since Ward will probably be the nominee.
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« Reply #345 on: October 05, 2017, 08:29:48 AM »

While I still think Napolitano or Giffords would be a stronger candidate, I'd give Sinema a 50/50 shot.

More like 60/40 since Ward will probably be the nominee.

If Ward is the nominee, it's 70-30 at least imo.
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« Reply #346 on: October 05, 2017, 09:45:22 AM »

Here are the results of my GCS poll:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bynnt69uB-jIX2NUd290ZENHUVE/view?usp=sharing

As always, I cut, codified, weighted and analyzed the raw data using my own methodology, so I do hope this is more accurate and respectable than a run-of-the-mill GCS poll.

Caveat is that no undecided option was presented to respondents due to lack of space.

Color me skeptical on the age cross-tabs.

Same. Though appreciate your analysis, Pollster.
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« Reply #347 on: October 05, 2017, 11:28:09 AM »

While I still think Napolitano or Giffords would be a stronger candidate, I'd give Sinema a 50/50 shot.

More like 60/40 since Ward will probably be the nominee.

If Ward is the nominee, it's 70-30 at least imo.

Is Ward really that disliked? I don't know much about her
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« Reply #348 on: October 05, 2017, 01:04:51 PM »

While I still think Napolitano or Giffords would be a stronger candidate, I'd give Sinema a 50/50 shot.

More like 60/40 since Ward will probably be the nominee.

If Ward is the nominee, it's 70-30 at least imo.

Is Ward really that disliked? I don't know much about her

Pretty much. She's kinda like Christine O'Donnell (Delaware, 2008 & 2010) and Sharron Angle (Nevada, 2010), all Tea Partiers.
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« Reply #349 on: October 05, 2017, 03:54:21 PM »

While I still think Napolitano or Giffords would be a stronger candidate, I'd give Sinema a 50/50 shot.

More like 60/40 since Ward will probably be the nominee.

If Ward is the nominee, it's 70-30 at least imo.

Is Ward really that disliked? I don't know much about her

Pretty much. She's kinda like Christine O'Donnell (Delaware, 2008 & 2010) and Sharron Angle (Nevada, 2010), all Tea Partiers.

Basically this. Ward is absolutely loathed statewide and has a reputation for being a decorated officer of the tinfoil hat brigade.
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