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« Reply #100 on: March 24, 2018, 04:04:51 AM »

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Status: A vote is now open on this amendment, Representatives please vote Aye, Nay or Abstain.
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« Reply #101 on: March 24, 2018, 09:34:59 AM »

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« Reply #102 on: March 24, 2018, 12:18:08 PM »

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« Reply #103 on: March 24, 2018, 01:29:58 PM »

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« Reply #104 on: March 24, 2018, 01:32:26 PM »

Abstain.
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« Reply #105 on: March 24, 2018, 08:59:08 PM »

Abstain
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« Reply #106 on: March 24, 2018, 09:14:10 PM »

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« Reply #107 on: March 24, 2018, 09:33:59 PM »
« Edited: March 24, 2018, 09:37:18 PM by Bagel23 »

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« Reply #108 on: March 26, 2018, 01:47:57 AM »

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« Reply #109 on: March 27, 2018, 11:00:51 AM »

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« Reply #110 on: March 28, 2018, 02:15:42 AM »

Vote on Amendment H11:05:

Aye (3): Jake, PoliticalMasta and weatherboy
Nay (2): NC Yankee and Rfayette
Abstain (2): ReaganClinton and WxTransit

Didn't Vote (2): Oakvale and Peebs (a little too late)


The Amendment is adopted, barely.
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« Reply #111 on: March 30, 2018, 10:53:50 AM »

Upon consideration of the recently passed  "Free Higher Education for Atlasia Act" by the Atlasia Senate, i motion a tabling of this bill.
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« Reply #112 on: April 02, 2018, 03:07:09 AM »

Upon consideration of the recently passed  "Free Higher Education for Atlasia Act" by the Atlasia Senate, i motion a tabling of this bill.

 Why not just offer the Senate bill as a full text replacement amendment to this current one?
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« Reply #113 on: April 02, 2018, 09:04:07 AM »

Good bill, except we have a deficit
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« Reply #114 on: April 04, 2018, 03:10:28 PM »

Upon consideration of the recently passed  "Free Higher Education for Atlasia Act" by the Atlasia Senate, i motion a tabling of this bill.

 Why not just offer the Senate bill as a full text replacement amendment to this current one?

Well? It would save a boat load of time.

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« Reply #115 on: April 04, 2018, 04:30:35 PM »

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Alright, following the request of the speaker, I offer this amendment.
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« Reply #116 on: April 04, 2018, 04:50:14 PM »

Well, I could think of far better ways to format such, but at least you offered it. Tongue

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« Reply #117 on: April 04, 2018, 04:51:05 PM »

Still need the sponsor's feedback, so hah, I don't have to update the notepad doc that will become the PM, once I finish going through the rest of the threads. Tongue
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« Reply #118 on: April 04, 2018, 05:24:15 PM »

Still need the sponsor's feedback, so hah, I don't have to update the notepad doc that will become the PM, once I finish going through the rest of the threads. Tongue

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« Reply #119 on: April 04, 2018, 05:26:12 PM »
« Edited: April 04, 2018, 06:26:55 PM by Not Senator Not Madigan »

I have a suggestion for an Amendment to the Bill once Pericles' is adapted into this one.

I would suggest adding a minimum GPA Requirement so that Students who actually work hard in school are given the ability to be eligible for Free College, rather than just giving it to everyone.  I'd suggest a minimum requirement of a 3.0 Weighted GPA, a B Average overall.
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« Reply #120 on: April 04, 2018, 06:33:19 PM »

I have a suggestion for an Amendment to the Bill once Pericles' is adapted into this one.

I would suggest adding a minimum GPA Requirement so that Students who actually work hard in school are given the ability to be eligible for Free College, rather than just giving it to everyone.  I'd suggest a minimum requirement of a 3.0 Weighted GPA, a B Average overall.

I agree with this.  Encouraging people to work hard is a must.
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« Reply #121 on: April 04, 2018, 08:27:58 PM »

I have a suggestion for an Amendment to the Bill once Pericles' is adapted into this one.

I would suggest adding a minimum GPA Requirement so that Students who actually work hard in school are given the ability to be eligible for Free College, rather than just giving it to everyone.  I'd suggest a minimum requirement of a 3.0 Weighted GPA, a B Average overall.

I don't have the time to amend at the moment, but I'd suggest a 3.0 or 3.5 unweighted, so that schools don't weight their GPAs at something ridiculous like 10 so that everyone can get free college. Also, 3.0 or 3.5 on a 4.0 scale so that students have the incentive to work harder. A B average is just that -- average. We need to set a higher goal so that students will have the incentive to succeed.
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« Reply #122 on: April 04, 2018, 09:05:24 PM »

Rather than a GPA scale, why not make it like current Pell Grants and support a EFC (Expected Family Contribution), along with a work schedule requirement?

Debt-Free Proposals, like that of Democratic Primary Hillary Clinton's, hinged on a contingent on a 10-week student work schedule and a family contribution. I worry that in the pursuit of solidifying education as a right (which I believe it to be), we make it so that it is taken for granted.

Adding these requirements lower the cost of the proposal to about $300B (about $25B in FY 2018-2019). Note: this sum ALSO includes a graduated refinancing of all student loans to a 0.5% interest rate. This is not only a much more manageable sum, but means we can lower the tax burden required to pay for this proposal. As our student debt crisis is a major problem, so is our national debt and weak economic growth. Let us not rob Peter to pay Paul, and instead find solutions that work to solve both crises. I would strongly urge this body to take this under consideration.

Thank you.
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« Reply #123 on: April 04, 2018, 09:40:08 PM »

I have a suggestion for an Amendment to the Bill once Pericles' is adapted into this one.

I would suggest adding a minimum GPA Requirement so that Students who actually work hard in school are given the ability to be eligible for Free College, rather than just giving it to everyone.  I'd suggest a minimum requirement of a 3.0 Weighted GPA, a B Average overall.

I don't have the time to amend at the moment, but I'd suggest a 3.0 or 3.5 unweighted, so that schools don't weight their GPAs at something ridiculous like 10 so that everyone can get free college. Also, 3.0 or 3.5 on a 4.0 scale so that students have the incentive to work harder. A B average is just that -- average. We need to set a higher goal so that students will have the incentive to succeed.

The issue with using unweighted GPA, as I mentioned on Discord, would be that it discourages students from taking hard classes because they'll feel a need to keep their GPA up - GPA is a flawed metric for exactly this reason.

Weighted GPA attempts to mitigate this, but no matter what weighting standard we choose (and it would have to be uniform), it would force people to gravitate towards the easiest classes which are weighted and away from the hardest classes that are unweighted. The logic will be "well, if this harder class is unweighted, then I can just take this easier class." It's the same thing in weighted: if two weighted classes are semi-substitutes for each other (see AB and BC calc), people will gravitate to the easier one in order to maximize their GPA.

These are my reservations re: GPA reqs.
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« Reply #124 on: April 05, 2018, 10:50:40 AM »

I have a suggestion for an Amendment to the Bill once Pericles' is adapted into this one.

I would suggest adding a minimum GPA Requirement so that Students who actually work hard in school are given the ability to be eligible for Free College, rather than just giving it to everyone.  I'd suggest a minimum requirement of a 3.0 Weighted GPA, a B Average overall.

I don't have the time to amend at the moment, but I'd suggest a 3.0 or 3.5 unweighted, so that schools don't weight their GPAs at something ridiculous like 10 so that everyone can get free college. Also, 3.0 or 3.5 on a 4.0 scale so that students have the incentive to work harder. A B average is just that -- average. We need to set a higher goal so that students will have the incentive to succeed.

I agree with Sestak's critique of this approach, but I do agree with the idea that we should make it a challenge.  Nonetheless, the solution would be a standardized weighting system across school districts (1 point for Honors/AP/IB classes, perhaps). 
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