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« Reply #25 on: January 03, 2018, 06:19:44 pm »
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Leadership election will take place one month from today

Anyway below our the candidates and a small blurb on their policies I got off of Wikipedia.

Mike de Jong-Former Finance Minster and MLA for Abbotsford West

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Proposes an all-day kindergarten program for four-year-olds, financial incentives for local governments who can complete zoning and permitting processes related to 50 residential units or fewer within 10 months, relocating government offices related to forest and lands ministry to Prince George.


Michael Lee-MLA for Vancouver-Langara

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Proposes to eliminate LNG tax, complete the Site C dam, build rapid transit beneath the Broadway Corridor to UBC, phase out the use of disposable plastic grocery bags, increase the deposit on all beverage containers, create an enhanced internship tax credit, and increase funding and access to legal aid.

Todd Stone-Former Transportation Minster and MLA for Kamloops-South Thompson

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Proposes to eliminate the hospital capital tax, create an agricultural electricity rate, double the Rural Dividend Fund, expand the teaching of coding in elementary and high school, delivering government programs and services online, increasing support to Buy Local campaigns and agricultural fairs, expanding trade offices in Asia, provide support for an agriplex in the Comox Valley.

Sam Sullivan-Former Mayor of Vancouver and MLA for Vancouver-False Creek
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Proposes to privatize the Liquor Distribution Branch and elements of the health care system, introduce charter schools to BC, create a modified sales tax to replace the provincial sales tax

Dianne Watts-Former Mayor of Surrey and Former MP for  South SurreyWhite Rock
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Proposes to direct tax revenue from cannabis to municipalities, make BC Ferries an extension of the highway system and apply the senior's fare on BC Ferries to all sailings.[

Andrew Wilkinson-Former Attorney General and MLA for  Vancouver-Quilchena
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Proposes to privatize government-owned liquor stores, abolish the small business income tax for family businesses, create an office to attract American investment to BC, and create a northern premier and cabinet office in Prince George with video-conferencing services to representatives in Victoria.

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So far it seems Andrew Wilkinson has the most establishment support followed closely by Todd Stone and Mike de Jong. However as Christy Clark's victory in 2011 showed endorsements do not mean everything when it comes to predicting who is going to win a leadership election. For now I would say Watts is still the slight favorite with de Jong, Stone and Wilkinson following close behind.

Anyway who do you all prefer/think is going to win?

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« Reply #26 on: January 03, 2018, 07:08:46 pm »
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I won't be Sam Sullivan or Michael Lee, but between the other four my thoughts are:

Mike de Jong - Status quo relatively experienced and inoffensive to most although doubt he will come in first on the first ballot but could pick up enough second choices to put him over the top.

Todd Stone - Definitely has a decent chance, especially considering he should do well in the interior, but I wouldn't go as far as to call him the frontrunner.

Diane Watts - She has the most name recognition and despite lack of endorsements definitely could win.  Her problem is lack of policy and I've heard has performed quite poorly in the debates so while she was the frontrunner at the beginning, now I think she has fallen back a bit but not out of it.

Andrew Wilkinson - If I had to pick a frontrunner, I would pick him, but still has chances of winning are probably under 50% although higher than the others.

As for myself, I am still undecided although it won't be Sam Sullivan (he is my MLA and has some good ideas, but not the best choice overall).  My plan is to read each of their platforms carefully and whichever I think is the best overall I will choose.
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« Reply #27 on: January 03, 2018, 08:35:08 pm »
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A leadership election in Canada that doesn't take three years to complete? What is this insanity?
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« Reply #28 on: January 03, 2018, 08:45:27 pm »
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A leadership election in Canada that doesn't take three years to complete? What is this insanity?

BC has a minority government too so they need to have a leader sooner in case the government falls.  Generally leadership races when there is a majority take longer as there is no urgency and better to do it right whereas when a minority government they are quicker just in case the government falls sooner than expected.
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« Reply #29 on: January 03, 2018, 10:26:17 pm »
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I won't be Sam Sullivan or Michael Lee, but between the other four my thoughts are:

Mike de Jong - Status quo relatively experienced and inoffensive to most although doubt he will come in first on the first ballot but could pick up enough second choices to put him over the top.

Todd Stone - Definitely has a decent chance, especially considering he should do well in the interior, but I wouldn't go as far as to call him the frontrunner.

Diane Watts - She has the most name recognition and despite lack of endorsements definitely could win.  Her problem is lack of policy and I've heard has performed quite poorly in the debates so while she was the frontrunner at the beginning, now I think she has fallen back a bit but not out of it.

Andrew Wilkinson - If I had to pick a frontrunner, I would pick him, but still has chances of winning are probably under 50% although higher than the others.

As for myself, I am still undecided although it won't be Sam Sullivan (he is my MLA and has some good ideas, but not the best choice overall).  My plan is to read each of their platforms carefully and whichever I think is the best overall I will choose.


Other than the media is naturally more focused on the government than the opposition, I have no idea how de Jong survived the money laundering at the B.C Casinos.  Apparently the government knew about it and intentionally did nothing.  de Jong was the Minister responsible.  I would assume the other leadership candidates will hammer de Jong over this for the next month.

If de Jong were still the Minister, I can't see how we wouldn't have had to resign over this,
all though that sort of thing rarely happens anymore.

As to the others:

Andrew Wilkinson is hopeless.  Like Chris Alexander and Bill Morneau, he is a highly intelligent person completely lacking common sense. 

Todd Stone, I think he should delete, delete, delete his candidacy.  He's probably not the worst guy in the world, but he was a fairly major player in Christy Clark's 'war on Metro Vancouver.'
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« Reply #30 on: January 05, 2018, 05:01:19 pm »
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A leadership election in Canada that doesn't take three years to complete? What is this insanity?

Well, it is only a provincial party we're talking about.
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« Reply #31 on: January 06, 2018, 12:30:22 am »
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A leadership election in Canada that doesn't take three years to complete? What is this insanity?

Well, it is only a provincial party we're talking about.

*And*, a provincial party that could still make it to power in advance of a scheduled election date, due to the nature of the coalition government presently in charge.  (Remember: the BCGrits alone still have a plurality of members.)
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« Reply #32 on: January 22, 2018, 11:37:16 pm »
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Mainstreet has Dianne Watts ahead with 29.9% amongst decided and leaning BC Liberal voters. Other candidates as follows:

Andrew Wilkinson - 21.3%
Todd Stone - 19.6%
Mike de Jong - 16.3%
Michael Lee - 10.5%
Sam Sullivan - 2.4%
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« Reply #33 on: Today at 12:13:36 am »
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What do you think is the magic number that Watts needs to hit in the first ballot to win the leadership election? Maxime Bernie got 29% last year and barely lost.
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« Reply #34 on: Today at 02:41:18 am »
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Those are general poll numbers amongst the general population not members.  Watts is the most popular amongst the general public whereas Wilkinson and De Jong maybe less so with the general public but far more amongst the committed members.  Todd Stone cannot be ruled out and Michael Lee does well amongst younger voters and signed up many new ones.  Actually I expect this to take at least three ballots and the only prediction I will make is Sam Sullivan is knocked off after the first ballot.
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