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« on: July 29, 2017, 02:52:18 AM »
« edited: July 29, 2017, 03:24:17 PM by Lotuslander »

Clark's resignation today certainly surprised everyone including her BC Lib caucus. Based upon a telephone interview tonight with Global BC's Keith Baldrey, Clark confided that if the GreeNDP gov't indeed lasted a couple of years that the proverbial knives would likely begin to come out from caucus. Ergo, Clark wanted to leave on her own terms after reflection. Certainly Clark, had she won the 2017 election, would have resigned and left office before the 2021 election. In reality, preems have a shelf life of 10 years at the max.

Suspect that numerous candidates will emerge, down the road, for Clark's replacement. Clark's resignation will undoubtedly change BC's political dynamic.
But, should she decide to take the jump, former Surrey mayor and current fed Con MP Dianne Watts would likely be considered the front-runner and further change BC's political dynamic.

So who is Dianne Watts and what is her electoral time-line to date?

Watts was first elected to Surrey council back in 1996. Watts later had a falling out with right-wing mayor Doug McCallum and ran as an independent mayoral candidate in the 2005 muni election. One must remember that both Watts and Doug McCallum were part of the Surrey municipal party SME at the time, before she broke ranks. Surprisingly Watts won in 2005 but faced animosity from the SME party dominated Surrey municipal council shortly thereafter. Nevertheless, Watts, also surprisingly, rekindled relationships and later brought SME Surrey councillors aboard forming a new Surrey muni party called Surrey First - which dominates Surrey municipal politics to this day.

Moreover, Watts also brought long-time centre-left councillor Judy Villeneuve (former NDP candidate) as well centre-left councillor Barinder Rasode into the Surrey First fold as well. Both had previously been associated with the Surrey NDP farm team SCE, which is now basically dead.

Watts transformed Surrey from the perception a red-neck suburban municipality into its own. Watts' legacy includes turning old north Surrey into a future vibrant downtown core - condominium and office skyscrapers are beginning to dominate the skyline.

Watts ran as mayor in 2005, 2008, and 2011 and in the latter 2 elections received 80% and 86% popular vote shares respectively. Moreover, Watts was among the finalists for the 2010 World Mayor prize and Watts was ultimately selected as "the fourth-best mayor in the world".

After the May, 2009 BC election, the BC Libs faced a debacle with the HST affair. Interestingly enough, an Angus Reid Strategies opinion poll, several months later on September 5, 2009, had this result for following question with net score results:

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When BC Lib preem Gordon Campbell resigned later in late 2010. Watts' name was again highly touted and bandied about in the media as a potential contender for replacement. However, many pundits suggested that Watts was not interested at the time (including myself) considering that the BC Libs were suffering internal turmoil with the HST fiasco and Watts prized her mayoral position and wanted to complete her ambitions in Surrey with another 3-year term.

On November 5, 2010, Ipsos Reid released the poll results of "potential" BC Lib contenders with public net positive/net negative scores:

1. Dianne Watts +30
2. Carole Taylor +21
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5. Christy Clark -14



On or about December 10, 2010, Watts confirmed, in an exclusive interview, that she had no interest in the leadership of the BC Libs at the time. 3 interesting matters stand out from that interview though:

1. The Global BC TV journalist interviewing was Jas Johal, who was elected in the 2017 election in Richmond-Queensborough;

2. Reference therein to a then Ipsos poll that 65% of BCers wanted Watts to run for the BC Lib leadership;

3. Watts stating that she would have endorsed former BC Liberal finance minister Carole Taylor in the BC Lib leadership race. That's key because Carole Taylor was a long-time federal Liberal and her now deceased spouse was Art Phillips, former Vancouver Centre Liberal MP. Ergo, Watts has always been considered a red tory/blue liberal on the political spectrum.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_jFML49WLM

Watts has always been very popular, non-devisive, intelligent and well-respected. Certainly Carole Taylor could also be categorized in that same mold. To boot, both could be considered as "Tier 1" type candidates and aside from those two, cannot see any other similar Tier 1 leadership candidates, of any political stripe, going back ~60 years.

Watts later won mayoral re-election in November, 2011 and finished her Surrey mayoral term in November, 2014. At the outset, Watts stated that she would only run 3 terms for mayor and she thus completed same.

In 2015, both the federal Liberals and federal Cons courted Watts to run under their banner for the October, 2015 election in the new riding of South Surrey-White Rock after federal redistribution. That area has always had centre-right demographics and elected PCs, Reform, Canadian Alliance, and Con MPs. Without checking, I suspect that the last time that this area was majority fed Lib territory was back in 1968 during original Trudeau-mania.

Harper came out to BC numerous times to court Watts and finally succeeded in bagging her as a candidate in SS-WR with Watts also likely expecting to be a fed Con cabinet minister in a re-elected Con gov't. However, on e-day October, 2015, the anti-Harper Con tide, pro-JT Liberal tide was so strong, Watts almost lost - she won by a 2.5% margin over her fed Liberal rival Judy Higginbothan, who was also a former Surrey councillor between 1983 and 2008 - also a centre-right "blue" Liberal. Had Watts not been the Con candidate here in 2015, undoubtedly the fed Liberals would have bagged another seat.

Since then, Watts has been a Con opposition MP, with a critic role, but essentially has a low profile with almost zero media exposure in BC. Watts will likely continue in that same role after the 2019 fed election. 5 - 6 hour flights between the west coast and Ottawa are also apparently taking a toll on Watts.

Back in April, 2017 of this year, Watts had an interview with an obscure media outlet known as "Surrey604" and some of her statements re:Ottawa stood out thereto:

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http://surrey604.com/2017/04/23/dianne-watts-on-the-national-stage/

On her social media Twitter feed (whomever is actually paying attention to same these days) Watts has always been fed politics. But when the GreeNDP accord was finalized on May 30, 2017 Watts, out of the norm, tweeted as follows:

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Thereafter, a weekly BC political broadcast by Shaw-TV, hosted by Vancouver Sun political columnist Vaughn Palmer had Province political columnist Mike Smyth on as a guest. The question of Clark's leadership came up and Mike Smyth stated that he had spoken with many in the BC Liberal Party and "the name Dianne Watts keeps coming up and I hear that she may be interested this time."

Moreover, Smyth stated - para-phrasing that "Watts is one candidate that the BC NDP fears". Was surprised at his statements at the time. I actually expected Clark to be around for at least another year.

And then today's announcement. Have now also seen, on social media, Dianne Watts name bandied about by both fed Liberal voters and fed Con voters.

And heard Province political columnist Mike Smyth on CKNW today again mentioning Dianne Watts name exclusively, which Global BC news is also carrying:

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http://globalnews.ca/news/3633706/who-will-be-the-next-leader-of-the-bc-liberals/

Still very early days. But if Watts actually decides to enter the race... I would make Watts the odds-on-favourite on winning same.
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« Reply #1 on: August 22, 2017, 08:04:04 PM »

It's Insights West... and it's also still the dog days of summer... but their poll today on potential BC Lib leadership candidates still corroborates my above post about Dianne Watts...

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https://insightswest.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/NextBCL_Tables.pdf
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« Reply #2 on: February 03, 2018, 02:35:00 AM »
« Edited: February 03, 2018, 02:37:07 AM by Lotuslander »

BC Lib leadership race is not OMOV - it's 100 points for every riding irrespective if that riding has 5,000 members or 100 members. Membership counts for nothing here. Makes final outcome a complete crap-shoot.

That said... some tea leaves. Yesterday the Stone campaign stated that final ballot will be between Watts & Stone. Later on both the Lee & De Jong camps disputed that & stated that final ballot will be between them & Watts. Quite clear there (along with other corroborating evidence) that Watts will finish 1st on the first ballot. Thereafter, very difficult to read.

FWIW, as for 1st ballot results - 2 leaked internal CATI polls by Innovative Research from last October/November had this last decided result of BC Lib members (without material change month/month) on 1st ballot:

Watts - 41%
De Jong - 19%
Stone - 15%
Wilkinson - 12%
Lee - 7%
Sullivan - 5%

Perhaps just grain of salt stuff.
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« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2018, 03:58:26 AM »

So Wilkinson has won the race. Who woulda thunk? BTW, Wilkinson is a federal *blue* Liberal (red tory-type).

Tidbits from Province Columnist Mike Smyth's column tonight:

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http://theprovince.com/news/bc-politics/mike-smyth-can-the-liberals-brainy-new-boss-win-big?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter#pq=okbCeg

Now 2 scenarios that could see current GreeNDP minority gov't fall:

1st Scenario:
 
This fall, 2018 the PR referendum will occur. To date, media narrative has been "Fix is In", which connotes deceit to BC public IMHO. Akin to *Gerrymandering* in some US districts. I will stick my neck out and say it will likely fail for those and plethora of other reasons.

The BC Greens back the current NDP gov't as the PR referendum is their proverbial *Holy Grail*. If that PR referendum fails... no reason for Greens to support NDP based upon other reasons.

Current other reasons? LNG. BC Green Party leader Andrew Weaver has recently stated that if BC NDP supports any LNG development in BC... it will be crossing the "line in the sand" & Greens will vote gov't down in non-confidence. Only chance for that to happen is vote on next month's BC budget (confidence vote) or March, 2019 budget vote after likely PR referendum fail.

At that time, NDP/Green fractures likely more prevalent (based upon just today) & NDP may have major fall in opinion polling, which the Greens may also *wear*. Remember that, after October, 1991 BC election... took only 1 1/2 years until March, 1993 before then BC NDP support collapsed to 3rd place (after BC Libs/BC Reform) & negative NDP brand in BC also caused fed NDP support collapse to just 2 seats in fall, 1993 fed election.

More Ominous Scenario #2:

Kinder Morgan pipeline twinning into BC.

Off the bat, relatively recent Angus Reid opinion poll (opt-in online methodology) on BCer's attitudes upon same:



Moreover, over past 8+ years all opinion polls in BC corroborate that just ~20% of BCers are *STRONGLY* opposed to the KM twinning. Key figure albeit they have loudest voices. Typical for BC in terms of silent majority.

Current KM TMP is already over-subscribed by 60% - 70% every month. Ergo, only refinery in southern BC - the old, small Parkland (formerly Chevron) refinery in Burnaby is unable to source light oil source thereto. It only produces premium blend gasoline + jet fuel.

As such, they import via rail - 110 unit BNSF oil tanker trains from Bakken Basin in North Dakota (which traverse environmentally-sensitive Fraser River estuary in BC) as well 110-unit CN Rail oil tanker trains that traverse Fraser Canyon (high up on cliff with rock face below). If any of those puppies derail ... likely major contamination for salmon-bearing Fraser River.

BTW, diluted bitumen or dilbit has flown through existing KM TMP for last 30 years and represented 39% of flow back in 2012.

What folk also do not understand is that the existing KM TMP (TransMountain Pipeline) is a unique *batched* pipeline in that light oil, heavy oil & refined products flow through same. BC is essentially a *captive market* to current TMP in terms of refined products - gasoline & diesel albeit good chunk of jet fuel from Parkland/Cherry Point.

Keep foregoing as background info.

If that refined product (gasoline/diesel, etc.) stops flowing through TMP... BC has no other alternative source (forget WA State refineries - already producing at max for their geographic area - never mind priced in $US). What happens then? Major fuel shortages/gas price spikes in BC - impacts everyone from commuters, commercial trucking, transit buses, BC Ferries, etc. Major economic catastrophe for BC.

Why do I bring this matter up? Because Alberta has legal authority to determine what flows through current TMP to BC. AB Preem Lougheed, for example, previously utilized said authority during his tenure:

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http://calgaryherald.com/news/politics/braid-in-pipeline-dispute-alberta-has-ways-to-get-tough-with-b-c

With BC NDP gov't recently attempting to prohibit flow of bitumen into BC... both AB NDP preem Notley & SK NDP leader has called out BC NDP gov't as "political game playing" as quite apparent BC NDP gov't trying to drag out KM twinning for years to come. Again, who woulda thunk?

Moreover, AB NDP preem Notley has already begun trade war action against BC as initial retaliation. But here's the kicker - Jason Kenney's AB UCP is likely to win gov't next May, 2019. Kenney has already stated that he will shut off refined products flowing into BC in TMP. As matter of fact, Kenney was on Vancouver radio last week stating that he doesn't blame people of BC but hardcore enviros in BC NDP gov't.

When (yes when) Kenney shuts off refined product flow through TMP to BC next ~May, 2019 in retaliation to BC NDP's stance on KM... and BC gas shortages erupt with concurrent gas price spikes.. does anyone here seriuosly believe that Horgan likely stating that BCer's wouldn't care about maybe $5/litre gas & they will walk/bike will fly with public?

More likely BCers will take out their flaming torches & pitchforks against NDP gov't & it will fall under too much pressure.

So we have 2 plausible/likely scenarios for current BC NDP gov't to fall by next spring, 2019. Anyone beg to differ? If so, def look forward to your analysis then.
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« Reply #4 on: February 04, 2018, 06:12:27 AM »

BTW, Patti Bacchus, former centre-left/left Vancouver School Board chair with deep BC NDP roots - her take on new BC Lib leader Wilkinson:

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« Reply #5 on: February 12, 2018, 03:27:09 AM »

Interesting discussion about BC housing market - more particularly Metro Vancouver housing market.

Carl Sagan's famous quip relevant here: "You have to know the past to understand the present.”

In that vein, my take as my close/extended family has been involved in Metro Vancouver residential development since 1960's.

A relevant starting point.

1. Back in 1973 when the Barrett BC NDP gov't introduced the ALR, literally overnight SFD lot prices/undeveloped land parcels literally doubled overnight in value in Metro Vancouver. Many of my family members became instant millionaires overnight as a result.

2. As a result of ALR introduction back in 1973, Metro Vancouver also literally overnight became known as the highest priced housing market in Canada. "Law of unintended consequences". BTW, the ALR immediately reduced the future supply of potential residential lands, which is a major component cost of housing.

3. ALR included Class 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, & 7 farm lands. The latter portion of ALR class lands consisted basically horse hobby farms and they remain extent to this day in much of Langley (Metro Vancouver), for example. Personally I don't believe that's in public interest but BC is full of ideologues that would call my position blasphemy.

4. Now let's look at BC housing starts (mostly in Metro Van). Back in 1973, BC had ~37,000 housing starts. Later on in 1980, ~40,000 housing starts. Put that into context in terms of population between then and now. Based upon population, today BC would require between 67,000 - 73,000 housing starts in order to keep equilibrium.

5. However, over past 5 years, BC has only had between 27,000 - 33,000 housing starts. Major relative decline re: population increase. Only this year are housing starts ~40,000. Still far short based upon historical averages re: population.

6. Also important to note that absolute numbers of SFDs has declined in Metro Vancouver over past decade. Obviously impacts *demand* for SFDs in terms of price increases thereto. Have always said, if ya own a SFD in Metro Vancouver, ya own a proverbial "gold mine".

7. Important to note as well that, unlike 1970's/1980's, household size has shrunk - many single households putting further strain on demand for housing.

8. As for purported offshore money sharply increasing housing values? Don't buy it and land title declarations confirm same. In that vein, back circa 1987, major cash-inflow into Metro Vancouver real estate from Hong Kong occurred pending 1997 China take-over of Hong Kong. Richmond & Vancouver West-side were major focus of residential purchases by this off-shore demographic.

9. That Hong Kong money changed their residential price structures & demographics of Vancouver westside & Richmond forever - yet was not a political issue back then.

10. Back in the late 1980's and into the 1990's Hong Kong money was also purchasing almost every office, retail, industrial, & apartment block property available. Quite unreal compared to current foreign real estate purchases in those categories.

11. Now rental housing - back in the 1970's & 1980's fed gov't had MURB (multi-unit residential building) program. Most of the last wave of apartment rental buildings constructed in Metro Vanouver are from that era. MURB was basically a tax shelter inducing private capital to construct apt. buildings. Quite effective program INHO.

12. Today not much rental housing constructed at all. Most rentals now either SFD basement suites or condo rentals. Ergo the 1% vacancy rates.

13. Another key reason behind low housing starts v. 1970's to 1990's in BC. Today, takes well over one year just to receive a building permit to replace an old SFD in Vancouver city proper with another. Hell, until about 1990's an entire 300-lot SFD residential subdivision in Metro Vancouver would have had underground services/roads completed in that time frame.

14. Moreover, SFD builders were all "mom & pops" back then. Not today. Residential housing developers have been whittled down considerably due to land purchase costs, financing, and soft & hard costs. Ergo results in fewer developers with longer time frames.

15. Now back to politics. BC NDP gave impression that they would make "housing more affordable" in Metro Vancouver. Major reason why they won extra seats in Metro Vancouver during 2017 election. Frankly, feel sorry for poor saps/voters that bought into that "plank".

16. Ever since the GreeNDP gov't was formed back in July, 2017, one can see many on social media, who voted BC NDP, complaining about why the BC NDP "affordable housing" platform hasn't been implemented. Sigh. It was just rhetoric in order to gain votes. Worked quite frankly.

17. BC NDP in response has stated "Wait for our February budget". Quite obvious that nothing material will come out of same - only if one actually understands housing market. Gonna say this - NDP voter expectations on this file will become majorly deflated. Ergo, another political problem ensues. One can expect that old Wendy's TV commercial come into play then:




Only 3 options today to cause Metro Vancouver housing costs to become more "affordable":

A. Interest rates hitting 20%, akin to 1981, which caused housing prices to collapse in 1982 along with mini economic depression & skyrocketing unemployment rates;

B. Removal of Class 4, 5, 6, and 7 ALR lands in Metro Vancouver (mostly horse hobby farms today), which will result in decrease in overall land values throughout Metro Vancouver (almost akin to doubling of Metro Vancouver land prices doubling after ALR introduction back in 1973);

C. Major negative net out-migration of Metro Vancouver population akin to late 1990's combined with loss of consumer confidence. Back in late 1990's BC consumer confidence levels were almost lowest in history. To wit, back then many bank foreclosures occurred on housing & rarely anyone was bidding upon same. For example, back in 2000, I purchased a 1-bedroom, 10-year old,  concrete construction condo for a measly $30,000 (!!) at BCSC Court-Ordered sale. Said unit also had a tenant paying $800/month in rent. In hindsight... one helleva bargain. Those days are over.

My 2 cents.
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