Has Trump already passed bush, harding, and andrew johnson as the worst?

[maga2020]

When the 22nd century arrives, Trump will be revered for stopping the US and the West from getting run over by hordes of uncivilized "immigrants".

[Kamala]

When the 22nd century arrives, Trump will be revered for stopping the US and the West from getting run over by hordes of uncivilized "immigrants".

By the 22nd century, all previous knowledge and history would have been lost thanks to catastrophic climate change / global nuclear war (you choose).

[OSR stands with Israel]

Bush isn't even in the worst 5 level

[GlobeSoc]

When the 22nd century arrives, Trump will be revered for stopping the US and the West from getting run over by hordes of uncivilized "immigrants".

lots of hispanics are racially white, there are plenty of culturally white asians, and most muslim immigrants to the us are not refugees, but have average if not above average incomes. The culture will be nudged a bit, but it will be recognizable; if the arrival of a new ethnic group destroyed the american culture we would be living in the United States of New Ireland

We are not europe, the american culture is not tied to a single ethnicity and hasn't been since the irish assimilated, and as much as you wish for an express landbridge between the US and Syria so that you can get rock hard by screaming 'OUR CIVILIZATION IS BEING DESTROYED REEEEEEE'. Its not happening, it didn't happen under obama, and it won't happen under the next democratic president.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

Too early to judge. He's turning out more incompetent than I forecast expected but it's too early to judge at this stage. We'll have a better handle after the midterms on Trump's historical legacy and standing.

On average, within the US Presidential rankings, he's probably going to wind up in the 30s and 40s. Around 33-44.

[Yank2133]

Not yet.

He is firmly in the Carter territory. Ineffective and ultimately an irrelevant president in the long run.

[GlobeSoc]

Not yet.

He is firmly in the Carter territory. Ineffective and ultimately irrelevant president in the long run.

[Dr Oz Lost Party!]

Buchanan in incompetence, Harding in corruption, Bush in recklessness.

[JGibson]

He's already Top 5 worst for me, and in serious competition for worst overall.

[TheSaint250]

Not yet.

He is firmly in the Carter territory. Ineffective and ultimately an irrelevant president in the long run.

Unfortunately, it's right here at this point.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

I start the believe that, if the next three and a half years continue as the past six months, Donald Trump will go down in history as the worst president in history or at least since Andrew Johnson.

Reasons are obvious:

- He is a great divider and has divided the country even further as it already was
- He is wrong on every side, and history will judge him that way. Climate change, renewable energies, civil rights, health-care, foreign policy etc.
- He has zero presidential behavior. Presidents ought be a role model. He's a role model indeed, but a role model in the opposite. His sexism, call for violence, mocking/bullying of people is disgraceful. This has nothing to do with reasonable criticism of reports or anybody else.
- He is totally unable to work with a congress dominated by his own party. He has, as of now, zero legislative accomplishments. What is much to expect?
- He is not capable to run an administration. The White House is a mess. He hasn't even management skills (in part because he is not a successful businessman. If you want one, take  Mike Bloomberg or Bill Gates).
- He is also unable to lead people. His treatment of Sessions alone is disgusting.
- He has zero personal integrity. I don't need to go through a long list of examples.
- What about other phony promises? Trade deals, wall, terrorism, etc? Nothing happened and I don't expect much to change.

Right now, he has already lost most of his political capital after his victory. It won't get easier, but even more difficult. And the whole list above does not even include the whole Russia investigation that could end his presidency sooner or later. For the reasons above I'm sure that Trump will be seen as the worst president in over a century. Even conservative scholars will agree.

While I agree with most of that criticism, I don't think it's fair to lay blame for Republican disunity primarily in Trump's tiny hands. Republican disunity was evident pre-Trump in their failure while out of the White House to promote anything they hoped to accomplish if they got it back in anything other than vague platitudes. Trump had no coattails. There isn't a single Congresscritter who has any reason to think Trump helped him to victory in November. Trump's intraparty power consists solely of fear that he might aid a primary challenge. Unless a Congresscritter does far more to alienate the base than fail to follow Trump as he twists from one position to another, they have no reason to fear that. Combined with the narrow margin in the Senate for the GOP, it's not surprising what's happened.

[#gravelgang #lessiglad]

I ask again: what has Trump done that in any way compares to lying the U.S. into war on false pretenses and having that war be a catastrophic debacle that took a decade to extricate the U.S. from and left hundreds of thousands dead and a country ruined for no reason?

How do people think Trump is worse than W? What has he done that comes close to the Iraq War in terms of its effects?

I agree with this point, but the contention seems to be that Trump is eroding democratic norms in a way that Bush never did. Which, incredibly, misses the mark on ways in which the Bush administration eroded, in its own ways, the foundations of liberal democracy.

Trump hasn't leaked the classified name of a CIA asset in retribution for her husband's political activities; the Bush Justice Department begun the politicization of the DOJ; the Bush Administration passed the largest expansion of the surveillance state in history, a feat Trump has yet to pass; the Bush Administration oversaw a violation of the Geneva Convention's prohibition on torture; and at least Trump's nominee to the Court was an accomplished attorney and not a hack from the SMU school of law.

[pbrower2a]

When the 22nd century arrives, Trump will be revered for stopping the US and the West from getting run over by hordes of uncivilized "immigrants".

He will be remembered for demagoguery, selling out people to whom he made grandiose promises (as opposed to failing to achieve those promises),  running the Presidency like a royal court in an absolutist order, degrading the language of public life, and abandoning the civility necessary for a functioning democracy even if there are no catastrophic consequences of his policies.

If America should go into a spiral of dissolution as did the Soviet Union, then he will be largely held culpable.

Oh, yes -- if I had to choose between illegal immigrants from Central America (MS-13 obviously excepted) and native-born meth fiends, I'd deport the meth fiends no matter how solid their pedigrees.

[President Johnson]

Buchanan in incompetence, Harding in corruption, Bush in recklessness.

Trump is in for all these three things. LOL

[Cactus Jack]

It'll be hard to top Bush, but he's definitely reached Harding's level.

[Silent Hunter]

At least those three actually got something done.

[Statilius the Epicurean]

It's been almost as bad as a first six months could go (no legislative accomplishments and under investigation by the FBI), but Trump still has some way to go before matching Bush43 who is responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Iraqis.

Let alone Buchanan, whose administration literally tried to destroy the United States.

[Inmate Trump]

I ask again: what has Trump done that in any way compares to lying the U.S. into war on false pretenses and having that war be a catastrophic debacle that took a decade to extricate the U.S. from and left hundreds of thousands dead and a country ruined for no reason?

How do people think Trump is worse than W? What has he done that comes close to the Iraq War in terms of its effects?

Colluding with a foreign government to hack an election in favor of his victory is worse, at least for me.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

I ask again: what has Trump done that in any way compares to lying the U.S. into war on false pretenses and having that war be a catastrophic debacle that took a decade to extricate the U.S. from and left hundreds of thousands dead and a country ruined for no reason?

How do people think Trump is worse than W? What has he done that comes close to the Iraq War in terms of its effects?

Colluding with a foreign government to hack an election in favor of his victory is worse, at least for me.

So as bad as Jefferson then, or maybe even worse since unlike Genêt, Putin is competent?

[maga2020]

When the 22nd century arrives, Trump will be revered for stopping the US and the West from getting run over by hordes of uncivilized "immigrants".

lots of hispanics are racially white, there are plenty of culturally white asians, and most muslim immigrants to the us are not refugees, but have average if not above average incomes. The culture will be nudged a bit, but it will be recognizable; if the arrival of a new ethnic group destroyed the american culture we would be living in the United States of New Ireland

We are not europe, the american culture is not tied to a single ethnicity and hasn't been since the irish assimilated, and as much as you wish for an express landbridge between the US and Syria so that you can get rock hard by screaming 'OUR CIVILIZATION IS BEING DESTROYED REEEEEEE'. Its not happening, it didn't happen under obama, and it won't happen under the next democratic president.

We share thousands of miles of border with Mexico and the globalists are still forcing most countries to accept "refugees".

[Orser67]

In terms of impact, no. But in terms of competence, maybe.

[Badger]

Not yet.

You stole my answer verbatim.

[Bismarck]

He is worse than Harding because Harding wasn't a bad president. He is much less of a disaster than Bush or Johnson, so far.

[Badger]

He is worse than Harding because Harding wasn't a bad president. He is much less of a disaster than Bush or Johnson, so far.

Harding wasn't a wha?

[Rookie Yinzer]

Bush is the absolute worst.

Trump is right there with Johnson. Nothing substantial accomplished. Absolute mad men with weak and irrelevant presidencies.