North Korea Mega Thread

[Doimper]

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

I guess the Trump misadministration's official position is, that war-war (and nuke-nuke) is better than jaw-jaw.

On the silver lining side, launching a nuclear war against North Korea that turns into a complete disaster has at least a small chance of getting him not only booted out of the White House, but also put on trial for war crimes. (I wouldn't normally think such a thing could happen to any US president, no matter how feckless. But let's not underestimate Trump's ability to piss powerful people off.)

[ProudModerate2]

Kinda lost for words ....
Not sure what to say.

[Rookie Yinzer]

All partisan hackery aside, I am legitimately frightened about this situation in Trump's hands.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

Contrary to you worry warts, I see this as saying, unless China's gonna do something, there's no point in passing yet another toothless resolution. It's not a call for war-war, but yawn-yawn.

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

Contrary to you worry warts, I see this as saying, unless China's gonna do something, there's no point in passing yet another toothless resolution. It's not a call for war-war, but yawn-yawn.

I would agree, except for

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That sounds to me like a rejection of further diplomacy.  But hey, maybe the Trump administration is just lying some more, and maybe the North Korean government knows that.

Thanks Republicans for giving us a situation where our hope for peace is that the North Korean government correctly and rationally determines that the President of the United States is a crazed liar.

[Matty]

Nothing is going to happen, but part of me wishes something would, just so this saber rattling stops.

Rip it off like a bandaid.

[Higgins]

Nothing is going to happen, but part of me wishes something would, just so this saber rattling stops.

Rip it off like a bandaid.

Here here. Just bomb the hell out of them already and get it over with. NK is a dangerous, hostile power and each day we delay, is a step toward them one day lobbing one at a city here.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

Contrary to you worry warts, I see this as saying, unless China's gonna do something, there's no point in passing yet another toothless resolution. It's not a call for war-war, but yawn-yawn.

I would agree, except for

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That sounds to me like a rejection of further diplomacy. 

No, it's a rejection of more pointless yammering at the UN that wouldn't even involve talking with North Korea. Imagine that, the UN Ambassador focusing on what the UN can and cannot do? Right now, passing yet another toothless resolution at the UN does nothing.

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

Contrary to you worry warts, I see this as saying, unless China's gonna do something, there's no point in passing yet another toothless resolution. It's not a call for war-war, but yawn-yawn.

I would agree, except for

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That sounds to me like a rejection of further diplomacy. 

No, it's a rejection of more pointless yammering at the UN that wouldn't even involve talking with North Korea. Imagine that, the UN Ambassador focusing on what the UN can and cannot do? Right now, passing yet another toothless resolution at the UN does nothing.

Could you point to even the tiniest sign that "master dealmaker Trump" (roflmao) will do, or can do, anything besides starting a war or throw tantrums at China for not getting him a bottlemagicallly fixing North Korea right now.

[JA]

Nothing is going to happen, but part of me wishes something would, just so this saber rattling stops.

Rip it off like a bandaid.

Here here. Just bomb the hell out of them already and get it over with. NK is a dangerous, hostile power and each day we delay, is a step toward them one day lobbing one at a city here.

Always easy to say when you're safe behind your keyboard, confident that a war won't be coming to your doorstep. That your home won't be razed, your family and friends and neighbors slaughtered, living under constant terror that a bomb could be dropped any minute ending your life or crippling you. Keyboard warriors like you are the worst of the worst. War is hell on earth. Almost nobody escapes it without some form of PTSD - if they survive it. The people of North Korea (and South Korea) will be the ones to pay with enormous loss of life and potentially nuclear fallout. Millions of innocent people could easily perish in absolute agony. And, unsurprisingly, it'd be the second time within 70 years that the US slaughters countless North Koreans and levels their country. The only reason the lunatics running North Korea can get away with this is because they constantly invoke the memory of what America did to them in a war 60 some years ago that didn't even involve the US - yet we intervened, killed millions, and leveled their native land.

[Mercenary]

Living in Seoul I am not exactly in favor of a war. NK does this crap all the time so normally I woild ignore it but with Trump I have to admit I am a bit worried.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

Contrary to you worry warts, I see this as saying, unless China's gonna do something, there's no point in passing yet another toothless resolution. It's not a call for war-war, but yawn-yawn.

I would agree, except for

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That sounds to me like a rejection of further diplomacy. 

No, it's a rejection of more pointless yammering at the UN that wouldn't even involve talking with North Korea. Imagine that, the UN Ambassador focusing on what the UN can and cannot do? Right now, passing yet another toothless resolution at the UN does nothing.

Could you point to even the tiniest sign that "master dealmaker Trump" (roflmao) will do, or can do, anything besides starting a war or throw tantrums at China for not getting him a bottlemagicallly fixing North Korea right now.

Why should we try to do anything? The U.S. doesn't have the ability to accomplish anything worthwhile on its own. If anything is to be accomplished it'll require Chinese involvement and that'll happen when Xi thinks it's in China's own interests. I share your doubts that Trump can convince Xi of that, but I don't share the belief you share with Trump that there is something we can do on our own.

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

Contrary to you worry warts, I see this as saying, unless China's gonna do something, there's no point in passing yet another toothless resolution. It's not a call for war-war, but yawn-yawn.

I would agree, except for

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That sounds to me like a rejection of further diplomacy. 

No, it's a rejection of more pointless yammering at the UN that wouldn't even involve talking with North Korea. Imagine that, the UN Ambassador focusing on what the UN can and cannot do? Right now, passing yet another toothless resolution at the UN does nothing.

Could you point to even the tiniest sign that "master dealmaker Trump" (roflmao) will do, or can do, anything besides starting a war or throw tantrums at China for not getting him a bottlemagicallly fixing North Korea right now.

Why should we try to do anything? The U.S. doesn't have the ability to accomplish anything worthwhile on its own. If anything is to be accomplished it'll require Chinese involvement and that'll happen when Xi thinks it's in China's own interests. I share your doubts that Trump can convince Xi of that, but I don't share the belief you share with Trump that there is something we can do on our own.

I certainly don't mean to say that the US should act unilaterally on North Korea's nuclear programs, diplomatically or militarily.

I think that rejecting future diplomacy, or even saying our government will reject all future diplomacy, is stupid beyond words.  (And if you don't think that's what Trump's words mean, it's only because you know he's liar.)

I also think that seeing Trump - who has long been portrayed by his promoters, including himself as a master negotiator - crying that China hasn't magically fixed North Korea for him is both pathetic and a masterpiece of black comedy.

[TheSaint250]

Here's something that'll lighten up the mood (it'll do the exact opposite):

http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/31/politics/north-korea-ejection-test-submarine-activity/index.html

So now even their sub tech is getting better.

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

Here's something that'll lighten up the mood (it'll do the exact opposite):

http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/31/politics/north-korea-ejection-test-submarine-activity/index.html

So now even their sub tech is getting better.

I have to admit, that article really is terrifying:

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Given Trump's track record, the only question is how bad he'll fumble it.

[GeorgiaModerate]

Here's something that'll lighten up the mood (it'll do the exact opposite):

http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/31/politics/north-korea-ejection-test-submarine-activity/index.html

So now even their sub tech is getting better.

I have to admit, that article really is terrifying:

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Given Trump's track record, the only question is how bad he'll fumble it.

It shows how low the bar has gotten when "not getting into nuclear war" would be one of this administration's top achievements.

[Illiniwek]

So apparently our best hope is a missile defense system that apparently isn't as strong as it should be. I'm not sure I really trust his trumpness to effectively make our defense better, so this is starting to get a bit concerning.

[Green Line]

We need to attack before LA is a glass crater.

[Badger]

We need to attack before LA is a glass crater.

Attacking is the one thing most likely to make La into a glass crater. But carry on please

[Blue3]

If the Trump administration doesn't believe that diplomacy will work, then what exactly is it pushing for China to do? A coup?

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

There was a UN security council resolution condemning North Korea that had the support of the other 14 members, including China, but it was Russia who vetoed. Scapegoating Russia for everything has consequences.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/19/asia/russia-un-veto-north-korea/index.html

[Beet]

There was a UN security council resolution condemning North Korea that had the support of the other 14 members, including China, but it was Russia who vetoed. Scapegoating Russia for everything has consequences.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/19/asia/russia-un-veto-north-korea/index.html

At least Russia is urging serious negotiation with North Korea along with sanctions, that is more reasonable than the current "no talks until North Korea agrees to denuclearize first" administration policy, to be frank.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

There was a UN security council resolution condemning North Korea that had the support of the other 14 members, including China, but it was Russia who vetoed. Scapegoating Russia for everything has consequences.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/19/asia/russia-un-veto-north-korea/index.html

At least Russia is urging serious negotiation with North Korea along with sanctions, that is more reasonable than the current "no talks until North Korea agrees to denuclearize first" administration policy, to be frank.

How so?  That's the only thing we really want and we know we're not going to get it.  This is all show on all parts at this point.  Pursuing North Korean talks is about as productive as pursuing a Middle East peace deal at this point.

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

We need to attack before LA is a glass crater.

Just like how we won the Cold War, right?