North Korea Mega Thread

[The world will shine with light in our nightmare]

Even McCain thinks Trump's reaction was way over the top.

[TheSaint250]

An intelligence estimate says that North Korea could have "up to 60" nuclear warheads. To me that says they don't even know for sure how many nukes North Korea has. So how could they all be taken out? And how do we know one won't get "lost" and be sold on the black market if the regime is collapsing?

The point is, this is an extremely dangerous situation and shouldn't be handled by emotions. As the more powerful party, we need to be the adults, and decisively deescalate the situation while strengthening our deterrent capabilities. Limiting military exercises would do a great deal to deescalate while costing nothing in terms of capabilities.

I could see the need for limiting military exercises, but right now they seem necessary. What we'd have to look for is to see if the North Koreans would strike instead of just threaten if the exercises continue. It's tricky politics to limit the exercises or to keep them. Hard choice to make

[GlobeSoc]

Putting on moderate hero hat

I am fine with action against NK, because of the danger of keeping them around, and the scale of the leadership's atrocities. Whilst it would be very difficult to manage the aftermath, that is an argument for good management, not turning away.

Taking off moderate hero hat

That said, Trump is a dumb*ss who will almost certainly botch the post-invasion part.

[Classic Conservative]

"And the Lord rained upon Sodom and Gomorrha brimstone and fire from the Lord out of heaven. [25] And he destroyed these cities, and all the country about, all the inhabitants of the cities, and all things that spring from the earth."

[pikachu]

"And the Lord rained upon Sodom and Gomorrha brimstone and fire from the Lord out of heaven. [25] And he destroyed these cities, and all the country about, all the inhabitants of the cities, and all things that spring from the earth."

not really sure if the destruction of seoul and tokyo is a noble thing

[DrScholl]

"And the Lord rained upon Sodom and Gomorrha brimstone and fire from the Lord out of heaven. [25] And he destroyed these cities, and all the country about, all the inhabitants of the cities, and all things that spring from the earth."

[Beet]

They wouldn't strike Guam itself, but the statement said they would consider hitting the waters around Guam as a warning. That's also a crucial distinction that's not being made in a lot of the reporting. The point is we're currently in a cycle of escalation and it's something that has to be broken.

[JA]

"And the Lord rained upon Sodom and Gomorrha brimstone and fire from the Lord out of heaven. [25] And he destroyed these cities, and all the country about, all the inhabitants of the cities, and all things that spring from the earth."

Is Trump the Lord in this modern context? Makes sense, since you deify him as such. Plus he's prone to bouts of hysteria, pettiness, jealousy, anger, and inclinations towards war crimes, torture, and sexism. Lots of overlap here...

[TheSaint250]

They wouldn't strike Guam itself, but the statement said they would consider hitting the waters around Guam as a warning. That's also a crucial distinction that's not being made in a lot of the reporting. The point is we're currently in a cycle of escalation and it's something that has to be broken.

Would they strike in international waters or in Guam's waters?

[KingSweden]

They wouldn't strike Guam itself, but the statement said they would consider hitting the waters around Guam as a warning. That's also a crucial distinction that's not being made in a lot of the reporting. The point is we're currently in a cycle of escalation and it's something that has to be broken.

Would they strike in international waters or in Guam's waters?

Would it matter? Not legally, necessarily, but that's a serious provocation

[TheSaint250]

They wouldn't strike Guam itself, but the statement said they would consider hitting the waters around Guam as a warning. That's also a crucial distinction that's not being made in a lot of the reporting. The point is we're currently in a cycle of escalation and it's something that has to be broken.

Would they strike in international waters or in Guam's waters?

Would it matter? Not legally, necessarily, but that's a serious provocation

I was just trying to think about the limits of an attack back against NJ

[Rookie Yinzer]

Trump is a certified looney tune. Whatever is going to happen is what's going to happen.

[BudgieForce]

They wouldn't strike Guam itself, but the statement said they would consider hitting the waters around Guam as a warning. That's also a crucial distinction that's not being made in a lot of the reporting. The point is we're currently in a cycle of escalation and it's something that has to be broken.

Would they strike in international waters or in Guam's waters?

Would it matter? Not legally, necessarily, but that's a serious provocation

I was just trying to think about the limits of an attack back against NJ

Hasnt New Jersey suffered enough!?   /s

[TheSaint250]

They wouldn't strike Guam itself, but the statement said they would consider hitting the waters around Guam as a warning. That's also a crucial distinction that's not being made in a lot of the reporting. The point is we're currently in a cycle of escalation and it's something that has to be broken.

Would they strike in international waters or in Guam's waters?

Would it matter? Not legally, necessarily, but that's a serious provocation

I was just trying to think about the limits of an attack back against NJ

Hasnt New Jersey suffered enough!?   /s

Lol sorry about that

*NK

[JoeyOCanada]

Am I the only one that is wondering how North Korea's nuclear program has seemingly advanced by 5 years in the past 2 months?

[Crumpets]

Am I the only one that is wondering how North Korea's nuclear program has seemingly advanced by 5 years in the past 2 months?

North Korea's nuclear program has been pretty stagnant for years - run of the mill, low-yield uranium bombs. What's changed in the last few months is their missile program. If I had to guess, I'd say we probably had a covert program to sabotage their missiles under Obama, which Trump then inherited and modified in some way - either as part of some 4-D chess strategy to make them think they're making progress when they're not, or as part of some non-strategy to undo everything Obama did.

[The world will shine with light in our nightmare]

Am I the only one that is wondering how North Korea's nuclear program has seemingly advanced by 5 years in the past 2 months?

Republican presidents are notoriously good at making sure North Korea has nuclear weapons.  The reason North Korea has nuclear weapons in the first place is that the United States backed away from the arms deal that was passed under Clinton.

[Dr. Arch]

Trump seems to be thinking about nuclear war.

https://www.facebook.com/NowThisPolitics/videos/1657597457605071/

[Beet]

For all we know, someone could be feeding them technology. But the public doesn't know. We can only speculate. All we have to go by is the end result.

[AN63093]

For all we know, someone could be feeding them technology. But the public doesn't know. We can only speculate. All we have to go by is the end result.

Well, feeding technology, I have no idea.  But we do know that most of their missile designs are either copies of, or derived from, Soviet missile designs.  In particular the Scud missile and the R-27 Zyb.

[Joe Biden is your president. Deal with it.]

World war 3 here we come.....

[Senator-elect Spark]

So what happens if North Korea attacks Guam with ballistic missiles? And the ideology of communism will not flourish much longer on the face of the planet. Trump is doing exactly what he needs to do IMO by issuing a warning and it means he's serious about it.

[Dr. Arch]

So what happens if North Korea attacks Guam with ballistic missiles? And the ideology of communism will not flourish much longer on the face of the planet. Trump is doing exactly what he needs to do IMO by issuing a warning and it means he's serious about it.

enjoy getting drafted little boy

Let's hope he's the first one to go given he's so enthusiastic about it.

[kyc0705]

So what happens if North Korea attacks Guam with ballistic missiles? And the ideology of communism will not flourish much longer on the face of the planet. Trump is doing exactly what he needs to do IMO by issuing a warning and it means he's serious about it.

If I survive whatever comes out of that ensuing global conflict, I will become a communist just to spite you.

[GeorgiaModerate]

Could everyone please take a deep breath and calm down?  The world is not on the brink of nuclear war.  Yes, sabers are being rattled.  That's happened many times before, and it's a long way from actual warfare.  We've been much, much closer to the brink than this.

(FWIW: I remember air raid drills in school during the Cuban Missile Crisis; my school actually had its own shelter.)