North Korea Mega Thread

[Beet]

This is no surprise.

"Significantly, the official statement on the missile test included a "solemn declaration" that the North would always be a "responsible nuclear power" and pose no danger to any other country as long as it did not come under threat itself."

http://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/what-now-for-nuclear-state-north-korea

The phrase "responsible nuclear power" refers to a statement from Kim Jong Un himself laid out at the Seventh National Workers' Party Congress in 2016.

"As a responsible nuclear weapons state, our republic will not use a nuclear weapon unless its sovereignty is encroached upon by any aggressive hostile forces with nukes," the KCNA news agency quoted him as saying.

"And it will faithfully fulfil its obligation for non-proliferation and strive for the global denuclearisation."

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/05/north-korea-nuclear-weapons-160508040813994.html

The top quote, today, is from a televised news broadcast where they brought out an announcer only used for highly important occasions; the bottom is from Kim himself, at the first WPK Congress since 1980. All these statements carry greater weight than the meaningless propaganda drivel put out by KCNA which our media likes to report.

All of which is why I am more worried about Trump than Kim.

[kelestian]

So what Trump must do? He has 3 options: continue current politicy on DPRK, start a war or just admit nuclear status of North Korea

[HillGoose]

Time to remove another Axis of Evil state?

[Dr. Arch]

How exactly did NK advance in their technology so quickly all of a sudden? Not too long ago, they were struggling to get anything off the ground effectively.

[HillGoose]

How exactly did NK advance in their technology so quickly all of a sudden? Not too long ago, they were struggling to get anything off the ground effectively.

Doubled down on starvation of their people to spend the money on nuclear research instead?

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Come on, North Korea can't hit the east coast. Yet, at least.

[junior chįmp]

How exactly did NK advance in their technology so quickly all of a sudden? Not too long ago, they were struggling to get anything off the ground effectively.

Trump probably sold it to them in exchange for a Trump resort in Pyongyang

[kelestian]

How exactly did NK advance in their technology so quickly all of a sudden? Not too long ago, they were struggling to get anything off the ground effectively.

There are speculations about Yuzhmash manufacturer from Ukraine. New korean rockets looked similar to rockets produced by Yuzmash. If it's true, there are two possibilities: either Yuzmash secretly sold techologies to DPRK (it existed only because of cooperation with Russia, and after 2014 it was ended as well as any money incomes for ukrainian plant), or DPRK agents just stole secrets (it would be quite easy, and DPRK agents already tried it in 2000s)

[Person Man]

How exactly did NK advance in their technology so quickly all of a sudden? Not too long ago, they were struggling to get anything off the ground effectively.

There are speculations about Yuzhmash manufacturer from Ukraine. New korean rockets looked similar to rockets produced by Yuzmash. If it's true, there are two possibilities: either Yuzmash secretly sold techologies to DPRK (it existed only because of cooperation with Russia, and after 2014 it was ended as well as any money incomes for ukrainian plant), or DPRK agents just stole secrets (it would be quite easy, and DPRK agents already tried it in 2000s)

That's pretty much how a lot of countries have stayed afloat in the past.

[wxtransit]

This is insane. Why do we allow lunatics to have such power?

Because he won the Electoral College. majority in the Supreme People's Assembly of North Korea.

Look, we all know Trump is more popular with America's opponents than he is with Americans or our friends and allies, but do you seriously expect us to believe a majority of whatever sham assembly North Korea has would vote for him?

Sarcasm. Kim Jong-un wasn't even related to the SPA election.

[Blue3]

It went 10-Times Higher than the International Space Station


https://www.nbcnews.com/news/north-korea/north-korea-missile-went-10-times-higher-space-station-n824821

[Santander]

North Korea actually has pretty good scientists and they were considered strong in rocket technology dating back to the days when they did the infamous tech swap with Bhutto's Pakistan...

[Crumpets]

Let's be clear, though - the circular error probable of these missiles is almost certainly god-awful, and North Korea isn't going to risk certain anihilation launching a missile at New York if there's a 50/50 shot it might land in the Atlantic or in the Adirondacks.

[Person Man]

Let's be clear, though - the circular error probable of these missiles is almost certainly god-awful, and North Korea isn't going to risk certain anihilation launching a missile at New York if there's a 50/50 shot it might land in the Atlantic or in the Adirondacks.

They would if they were attacked or thought they had enough to blackmail themselves back open.

[Crumpets]

Let's be clear, though - the circular error probable of these missiles is almost certainly god-awful, and North Korea isn't going to risk certain anihilation launching a missile at New York if there's a 50/50 shot it might land in the Atlantic or in the Adirondacks.

They would if they were attacked or thought they had enough to blackmail themselves back open.

That's true.

[Esteemed Jimmy]

Let's be clear, though - the circular error probable of these missiles is almost certainly god-awful, and North Korea isn't going to risk certain anihilation launching a missile at New York if there's a 50/50 shot it might land in the Atlantic or in the Adirondacks.

They would if they were attacked or thought they had enough to blackmail themselves back open.

That's true.

[President Johnson]

Honestly, I think China should just annex North Korea.

[emailking]

Let's be clear, though - the circular error probable of these missiles is almost certainly god-awful, and North Korea isn't going to risk certain anihilation launching a missile at New York if there's a 50/50 shot it might land in the Atlantic or in the Adirondacks.

That's true but if we know they can launch a nuclear missile that might hit the US, somewhere, that's probably pretty good deterrent against us attacking them, which is what I think they want.

[HillGoose]

Honestly, I think China should just annex North Korea.

I heard this summer when the North Korea stuff really started to heat up, that if any military action did happen, it would mostly consist of decapitation strikes by the USA, after which Chinese sleeper agents would gain control of the North Korean government and end any conflict with the promise of dismantling the nuclear program.

How realistic does that sound?

[GeorgiaModerate]

Honestly, I think China should just annex North Korea.

I heard this summer when the North Korea stuff really started to heat up, that if any military action did happen, it would mostly consist of decapitation strikes by the USA, after which Chinese sleeper agents would gain control of the North Korean government and end any conflict with the promise of dismantling the nuclear program.

How realistic does that sound?

It sounds like a Tom Clancy novel.

[Santander]

Honestly, I think China should just annex North Korea.

I heard this summer when the North Korea stuff really started to heat up, that if any military action did happen, it would mostly consist of decapitation strikes by the USA, after which Chinese sleeper agents would gain control of the North Korean government and end any conflict with the promise of dismantling the nuclear program.

How realistic does that sound?

It sounds like a Tom Clancy novel.

A particularly bad one, at that.

[HillGoose]

Honestly, I think China should just annex North Korea.

I heard this summer when the North Korea stuff really started to heat up, that if any military action did happen, it would mostly consist of decapitation strikes by the USA, after which Chinese sleeper agents would gain control of the North Korean government and end any conflict with the promise of dismantling the nuclear program.

How realistic does that sound?

It sounds like a Tom Clancy novel.

A particularly bad one, at that.

Yeah I wasn't sure if it was actually feasible. I know I heard talk of it though so eh.

[kelestian]

Wow, i've missed this incredible good article in Vox
https://www.vox.com/world/2017/9/8/16256880/north-korea-nuclear-weapons-test-containment

[AndyHogan14]

Wow, i've missed this incredible good article in Vox
https://www.vox.com/world/2017/9/8/16256880/north-korea-nuclear-weapons-test-containment

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While I don't necessarily disagree with the premise of this article (the denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula is not happening), it annoys the hell out of me whenever I see the Iraq/Libya comparison. North Korea actually has a strong non-nuclear deterrent (the shelling of Seoul) that neither Libya or Iraq had...even if you take the nuclear threat out of the equation, thousands upon thousands of civilians would die in a second Korean War even if the South and the US were to secure a fairly quick victory. Libya is an even worse comparison, because Qaddafi was in trouble even before the US/European intervention, we only intervened in the midst of a popular revolution—something that is unlikely (at least right now) in North Korea.

[BudgieForce]

Lindsey Graham calling for the families of SMs to be pulled out of SK, says preemptive war might happen soon http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/12/03/gop-senator-its-time-for-military-families-to-leave-skorea.html

Cue the over dramatic reactions.