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« Reply #650 on: October 20, 2017, 06:26:58 PM »

Implication of the amendment to executive order 13223?
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« Reply #651 on: October 20, 2017, 07:00:32 PM »
« Edited: October 20, 2017, 07:03:53 PM by Kringla Heimsins »

Implication of the amendment to executive order 13223?



In the grim darkness of the actual present there is only war.
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« Reply #652 on: October 20, 2017, 08:26:24 PM »

Implication of the amendment to executive order 13223?

Its probably because of this:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/10/20/air-force-recall-many-1-000-retired-pilots-address-serious-shortage/785344001/

The executive order allows retired servicemen to be recalled back in service. I really dont think this means whats your implying it could mean.
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« Reply #653 on: October 20, 2017, 10:23:03 PM »

Implication of the amendment to executive order 13223?

Worth keeping an eye on, but we’ll see... that USA Today article suggested the AF shortage had been ongoing for some time
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« Reply #654 on: October 21, 2017, 10:29:28 AM »

Implication of the amendment to executive order 13223?

Worth keeping an eye on, but we’ll see... that USA Today article suggested the AF shortage had been ongoing for some time

It's the AF shortage but could also be used in the case of war for all branches. Was talking about this with some retired officers yesterday. The thing is that if war were to occur, it would be a lot of quick and massive strikes using assets in theater and the surge of personnel really wouldn't be necessary unless we invade NK which is a non-starter to China.

What’s the air power like in the theater currently? Navy and AF?
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« Reply #655 on: October 21, 2017, 06:54:40 PM »

Implication of the amendment to executive order 13223?

Worth keeping an eye on, but we’ll see... that USA Today article suggested the AF shortage had been ongoing for some time

It's the AF shortage but could also be used in the case of war for all branches. Was talking about this with some retired officers yesterday. The thing is that if war were to occur, it would be a lot of quick and massive strikes using assets in theater and the surge of personnel really wouldn't be necessary unless we invade NK which is a non-starter to China.

So they are going to start a war while ruling out invading the North before it even starts? What if invading the North becomes the best military option to save our troops and/or civilians? This is a huge self-handicap.
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« Reply #656 on: October 21, 2017, 10:51:18 PM »

Implication of the amendment to executive order 13223?

Worth keeping an eye on, but we’ll see... that USA Today article suggested the AF shortage had been ongoing for some time

It's the AF shortage but could also be used in the case of war for all branches. Was talking about this with some retired officers yesterday. The thing is that if war were to occur, it would be a lot of quick and massive strikes using assets in theater and the surge of personnel really wouldn't be necessary unless we invade NK which is a non-starter to China.

So they are going to start a war while ruling out invading the North before it even starts? What if invading the North becomes the best military option to save our troops and/or civilians? This is a huge self-handicap.

Don't worry! Invading Afghanistan back after 9/11 was done with lots of airpower and had hardly any non-local troops on the ground, and look how well that turned out! And that was with Bush and his crew. Imagine the difference with Trump in charge!

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« Reply #657 on: October 22, 2017, 12:02:41 AM »

Implication of the amendment to executive order 13223?

Worth keeping an eye on, but we’ll see... that USA Today article suggested the AF shortage had been ongoing for some time

It's the AF shortage but could also be used in the case of war for all branches. Was talking about this with some retired officers yesterday. The thing is that if war were to occur, it would be a lot of quick and massive strikes using assets in theater and the surge of personnel really wouldn't be necessary unless we invade NK which is a non-starter to China.

So they are going to start a war while ruling out invading the North before it even starts? What if invading the North becomes the best military option to save our troops and/or civilians? This is a huge self-handicap.

Don't worry! Invading Afghanistan back after 9/11 was done with lots of airpower and had hardly any non-local troops on the ground, and look how well that turned out! And that was with Bush and his crew. Imagine the difference with Trump in charge!

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That's not really the best example, since invading Afghanistan after 9/11 was pretty obviously the right thing to do.  It'd have been beyond batsh!t insane not to have done so. 
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« Reply #658 on: October 22, 2017, 02:23:13 PM »

The recent executive order allowing the Air Force to recall retired pilots was mentioned here as a possible indication of forthcoming trouble.  But the Air Force now says they don't intend to use it:

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« Reply #659 on: October 22, 2017, 05:55:17 PM »

The recent executive order allowing the Air Force to recall retired pilots was mentioned here as a possible indication of forthcoming trouble.  But the Air Force now says they don't intend to use it:

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So why did Trump issue the order?
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« Reply #660 on: October 22, 2017, 06:28:42 PM »

The recent executive order allowing the Air Force to recall retired pilots was mentioned here as a possible indication of forthcoming trouble.  But the Air Force now says they don't intend to use it:

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So why did Trump issue the order?

Because Kelly probably told him to.
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« Reply #661 on: October 22, 2017, 08:36:36 PM »

Implication of the amendment to executive order 13223?

Worth keeping an eye on, but we’ll see... that USA Today article suggested the AF shortage had been ongoing for some time

It's the AF shortage but could also be used in the case of war for all branches. Was talking about this with some retired officers yesterday. The thing is that if war were to occur, it would be a lot of quick and massive strikes using assets in theater and the surge of personnel really wouldn't be necessary unless we invade NK which is a non-starter to China.

So they are going to start a war while ruling out invading the North before it even starts? What if invading the North becomes the best military option to save our troops and/or civilians? This is a huge self-handicap.

Don't worry! Invading Afghanistan back after 9/11 was done with lots of airpower and had hardly any non-local troops on the ground, and look how well that turned out! And that was with Bush and his crew. Imagine the difference with Trump in charge!

<goes and vomits>

Not to mention the Taliban didn't have ICBMs, which even Aegis carrier defenses can't hit. All North Korea needs to know are the coordinates of the slow-moving CSGs to sink them. And of course Guam is a sitting duck.
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« Reply #662 on: October 23, 2017, 09:10:20 AM »

Air Force prepares to put B-52s back on Cold War era constant alert:
http://m.jpost.com/International/US-Air-Force-gears-up-to-put-nuclear-bombers-on-24-hour-alert-508164

They are only doin the preparations, not actually putting them on 24 alert yet, but still troubling. Particularly given President Moron's public statements on nuclear weapons, and how much he wants and would benefit from a major war.
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« Reply #663 on: October 23, 2017, 06:37:03 PM »

Well, looks like Japan might change its constitution thanks to North Korea's missile program.
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« Reply #664 on: October 24, 2017, 09:09:03 AM »

Well, looks like Japan might change its constitution thanks to North Korea's missile program.

That's not really new. Abe has made changing the pacifist nature of the Japanese Constitution a centerpiece of his administrations. He was advocating for it back in his first term in 2007 and has brought the issue up multiple times since. This is just the latest excuse.
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« Reply #665 on: October 24, 2017, 02:10:12 PM »

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More Van Jackson Retweeted Steve Herman
Admin source tells me "Everyone wants 'preemptive war' now except for Mattis." Normal Korea experts have no idea how serious this is
Steve HermanVerified account @W7VOA
Tonight's Nelson Report (a reputable newsletter on NE Asia): Removing personal assets from #ROK now advisable, say sr. admin. officials.
3:01 PM - 21 Oct 2017

https://twitter.com/WonkVJ/status/921859016883552256

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The link contains the RT of the Herman source image. He is VOA's WH Bureau chief and not John Q. Noone down the road. This is big, even if it's not imminent, the advisable warning with informal intent leading to formal maybe later is a huge development. Watch out for CSGs. If there are two or three on station near the peninsula in the next couple of months, that will be a sign, along with family and non-essential staff evacuations.

From the twitter account you linked, what I gather is it seems like the administration is trying to egg North Korea on until they make the first move.
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« Reply #666 on: October 25, 2017, 08:52:52 AM »

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More Van Jackson Retweeted Steve Herman
Admin source tells me "Everyone wants 'preemptive war' now except for Mattis." Normal Korea experts have no idea how serious this is
Steve HermanVerified account @W7VOA
Tonight's Nelson Report (a reputable newsletter on NE Asia): Removing personal assets from #ROK now advisable, say sr. admin. officials.
3:01 PM - 21 Oct 2017

https://twitter.com/WonkVJ/status/921859016883552256

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The link contains the RT of the Herman source image. He is VOA's WH Bureau chief and not John Q. Noone down the road. This is big, even if it's not imminent, the advisable warning with informal intent leading to formal maybe later is a huge development. Watch out for CSGs. If there are two or three on station near the peninsula in the next couple of months, that will be a sign, along with family and non-essential staff evacuations.

From the twitter account you linked, what I gather is it seems like the administration is trying to egg North Korea on until they make the first move.

That’s the only way to keep China out.

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« Reply #667 on: October 25, 2017, 02:04:10 PM »


This headline, and the linked article, seem disingenuous and misinformative. For diplomacy to 'fail' there would need to be some evidence presented that our government, especially with Trump in office, has any good faith interest in diplomacy to begin with. 'Do what I tell you or I'll shoot' is extortion, not discussion.

If war comes from this, diplomacy will have failed in the same way that negotiations fail when the cops shout 'police!' five seconds before smashing a door and opening fire on anything that moves.
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« Reply #668 on: October 25, 2017, 02:43:53 PM »


Thats a tad click bait, as Ghost of Ruin said.
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« Reply #669 on: October 26, 2017, 06:24:49 PM »

Trump has not done a single day of diplomacy in his entire presidency.
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« Reply #670 on: October 26, 2017, 06:35:34 PM »

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« Reply #671 on: October 27, 2017, 09:36:27 AM »


This is the single most likely sign of war I've seen. Far more ominous than belligerent tweets.
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« Reply #672 on: October 27, 2017, 11:07:44 AM »


This is the single most likely sign of war I've seen. Far more ominous than belligerent tweets.

It's on its way to the PG but it could be ordered to stay on station if needed. Right now it's scheduled to swap with the Nimitz for OIR air support. https://thediplomat.com/2017/10/3-us-carrier-strike-groups-enter-asia-pacific-ahead-of-trumps-visit/

PG = Persian Gulf I assume?
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« Reply #673 on: October 27, 2017, 11:40:48 AM »


This is the single most likely sign of war I've seen. Far more ominous than belligerent tweets.

Trump will be in South Korea in a week. I really just think its a show of power.
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« Reply #674 on: October 27, 2017, 11:42:46 AM »

Don't forget the F-35 wing on it's way to Kadena.
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