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« on: August 22, 2017, 05:29:06 AM »

I think a lot of people are unable to divorce conservatism in a general sense with the Reaginite/Thatcherite consensus on conservatism.
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« Reply #1 on: August 28, 2017, 04:56:22 PM »

You're biased because the current concept of "economic rightism" as codified by Thatcher and Reagan did not really exist in the time. Hitler operated in the context of the Great Depression and World war 2, two situations which created an extraordinary amount of governmental power. But what Sibb is saying is that "government having a lot of power" or "lots of money being spent" is not a very useful indicator of left wing politics, otherwise you end up with patent absurdities (e.g. It would place the Democratic-Republicans to the right of Jefferson; it would class most powerful monarchs as socialist).

Left-wing economics especially then means redistribution of capital and power to the working classes. The Nazis had no interest in that.
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« Reply #2 on: August 29, 2017, 05:36:50 AM »

.It doesn't matter if it's too abstract "for your liking" because the political spectrum is an abstract concept that requires the context of time to be considered useful. Certainly looking at things through the America-derived concept of "small/big government" is not useful in the remotest as all governments became tremendously powerful under the context of total war.

Fundamentally, you have to look at the motivations of policies rather than get worked up on the details of what the policy is. The left wing motivation at the time would have been, to an extent,unabashedly Marxist: the redistribution of capital and power to the workers. The Nazis motivations, however, entirely nationalistic and derived from a very right-wing nationalist tradition, which is why the conservative establishment of Germany was entirely complicit with their regime.
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