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Question: Should Rex Tillerson run in 2020?
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« on: August 19, 2017, 05:58:32 pm »
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If Steve Bannon can have a thread...

I wouldn't rule out voting for Tillerson. He's a sober and rational man, at least -- no longer a prerequesite, but it should count for something!
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« Reply #1 on: August 19, 2017, 07:20:48 pm »
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Yes, he'd have business and government experience... he's sane and he's tough. Maybe not electable on a national scale but he'd definitely have my vote.
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« Reply #2 on: August 20, 2017, 05:14:25 am »
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I'd prefer Tillerson to Trump or Pence. Easily.
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« Reply #3 on: August 20, 2017, 05:41:52 am »
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Yes, he'd have business and government experience... he's sane and he's tough. Maybe not electable on a national scale but he'd definitely have my vote.

His government experience is limited to 1/2 year as SoS. As of business experience... I thought people learned by now business experience is an empty term when considering public office.
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« Reply #4 on: August 20, 2017, 12:00:26 pm »
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I thought people learned by now business experience is an empty term when considering public office.

This is fair, but there's a clear difference between Donald Trump's "business experience" and that of someone like Tillerson or even Romney.
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« Reply #5 on: August 20, 2017, 12:07:32 pm »
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I don't think he has a base from which to run that wouldn't be satisfied by someone like Rubio or Kasich.
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« Reply #6 on: August 20, 2017, 12:42:05 pm »
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He's done an awful job as Secretary of State. The department has the lowest recruiting numbers it's had in decades, dozens of positions are vacant, and a bunch of countries are missing their ambassadors (which is mostly Trump's fault, but Tillerson should be more forceful on the issue if he really means to do his job). He shouldn't run
The only experience people can point to for him is business experience, but Trump has shown us that more business experience somehow only manages to make you a worse President
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« Reply #7 on: August 20, 2017, 05:59:06 pm »
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« Reply #8 on: August 21, 2017, 09:13:49 am »
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I see Tillerson as more of a power behind the throne.  Very much a kingmaker.  If Trump is, somehow, persuaded to resign (which I don't think will happen), Tillerson is the Al Haig of the transition, and will emerge as Pence's indispensable man. 
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« Reply #9 on: August 21, 2017, 09:20:12 am »
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Tillerson is the best man in the administration right now.
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« Reply #10 on: August 21, 2017, 09:34:55 am »
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I see Tillerson as more of a power behind the throne.  Very much a kingmaker.  If Trump is, somehow, persuaded to resign (which I don't think will happen), Tillerson is the Al Haig of the transition, and will emerge as Pence's indispensable man. 

An Al Haig analogy might be effective for a Chief of Staff; his time at State, however, isn't looked back on as particularly good or effective.
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I see Tillerson as more of a power behind the throne.  Very much a kingmaker.  If Trump is, somehow, persuaded to resign (which I don't think will happen), Tillerson is the Al Haig of the transition, and will emerge as Pence's indispensable man. 

An Al Haig analogy might be effective for a Chief of Staff; his time at State, however, isn't looked back on as particularly good or effective.

Al Haig ran the entire government during the latter days of Nixon.  His real role went far, far beyond his title.
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« Reply #12 on: August 21, 2017, 06:14:28 pm »
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I see Tillerson as more of a power behind the throne.  Very much a kingmaker.  If Trump is, somehow, persuaded to resign (which I don't think will happen), Tillerson is the Al Haig of the transition, and will emerge as Pence's indispensable man. 

An Al Haig analogy might be effective for a Chief of Staff; his time at State, however, isn't looked back on as particularly good or effective.

Al Haig ran the entire government during the latter days of Nixon.  His real role went far, far beyond his title.

Not only that, but Tillerson seems to be building up allies with Mattis, Kushner, Sessions, and the like, although he and Kushner have had tensions.
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« Reply #13 on: August 24, 2017, 10:16:27 am »
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Tillerson is a weak secretary of state and I doubt he's even still in his job at the end of Trump's term.
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« Reply #14 on: August 26, 2017, 09:47:16 am »
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Tillerson is a weak secretary of state and I doubt he's even still in his job at the end of Trump's term.
The former CEO of Exxon-Mobil is never "weak".
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« Reply #15 on: August 26, 2017, 10:28:52 am »
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Tillerson has been a complete disaster as SoS. If he can't run one department, how can he possibly make the argument of running the whole ship?
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« Reply #16 on: August 26, 2017, 04:49:24 pm »
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Nobody associated with the Trump administration will emerge with a clean enough slate for a presidential run. Nikki Haley is the only one who will probably survive this mess.
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« Reply #17 on: August 26, 2017, 11:33:21 pm »
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I'd never vote for a former oil CEO.
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« Reply #18 on: August 27, 2017, 04:28:21 am »
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Have you not seen how absolutely awful he's been as SOS?
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« Reply #19 on: August 27, 2017, 12:16:23 pm »
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I see Tillerson as more of a power behind the throne.  Very much a kingmaker.  If Trump is, somehow, persuaded to resign (which I don't think will happen), Tillerson is the Al Haig of the transition, and will emerge as Pence's indispensable man. 

An Al Haig analogy might be effective for a Chief of Staff; his time at State, however, isn't looked back on as particularly good or effective.

Al Haig ran the entire government during the latter days of Nixon.  His real role went far, far beyond his title.

I'm simply saying that referring to the current Secretary of State as an "Al Haig" doesn't have the best of optics. Tongue
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