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mileslunn
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« on: August 20, 2017, 12:35:26 AM »

Overall

1.  Alberta
2.  Saskatchewan
3.  Manitoba
4.  Ontario
5.  New Brunswick
6.  British Columbia
7.  Newfoundland & Labrador
8.  Prince Edward Island
9.  Nova Scotia
10.  Quebec

Fiscally

1.  Alberta
2.  Saskatchewan
3.  British Columbia
4.  Manitoba
5.  Ontario
6.  New Brunswick
7.  Quebec
8.  Nova Scotia
9.  Newfoundland & Labrador
10.  Prince Edward Island

Socially

1.  New Brunswick
2.  Saskatchewan
3.  Newfoundland & Labrador
4.  Prince Edward Island
5.  Nova Scotia
6.  Manitoba
7.  Alberta
8.  Ontario
9.  British Columbia
10.  Quebec
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« Reply #1 on: August 20, 2017, 04:31:01 PM »

Territories I'd say
1. Yukon
2. Northwest Territories
3. Nunavut
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« Reply #2 on: August 20, 2017, 04:37:33 PM »

1. Alberta
2. Saskatchewan
3. Manitoba
4. Ontario
5. British Columbia
6. New Brunswick
7. Prince Edward Island
8. Nova Scotia
9. Newfoundland & Labrador
10. Quebec

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« Reply #3 on: August 22, 2017, 07:18:23 AM »

Top 3

Alberta









Saskatchewan
Manitoba
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« Reply #4 on: August 22, 2017, 01:30:13 PM »

I also think it depends too whether you mean socially or fiscally.  While Saskatchewan would rank high on both and Quebec low on both, British Columbia I think would be more fiscally conservative than most provinces but more socially liberal than most.  Ontario is pretty close to the middle on both counts.  Alberta is without question the most fiscally conservative, but I don't think it is the most socially conservative.  By contrast I think the Atlantic provinces are fairly socially conservative, but more fiscally to the left. 
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« Reply #5 on: August 22, 2017, 05:53:58 PM »

People putting Sask in the top three Conservative, please stop.

Btw I feel mentioning this as it is relevant and counter-intuitive but whenever polls on US elections are done in Canada the provinces of Canada that are most sympathetic to the GOP are not in the West - no, not Alberta - but rather in the Atlantic. Which makes sense when you think about it for a bit.
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« Reply #6 on: August 22, 2017, 05:58:25 PM »

People putting Sask in the top three Conservative, please stop.

Btw I feel mentioning this as it is relevant and counter-intuitive but whenever polls on US elections are done in Canada the provinces of Canada that are most sympathetic to the GOP are not in the West - no, not Alberta - but rather in the Atlantic. Which makes sense when you think about it for a bit.

I think Atlantic Canada is fairly socially conservative so you are right on that front, but if you look at their voting patterns federally ever since the Conservatives have ditched their Red Tory tradition and moved to the right, it has swung heavily behind the Liberals.  Otherwise in Atlantic Canada they tend to like an activist government as opposed to a minimalist one.  True Saskatchewan historically was more left wing but since 2004 in each election it has been the Tories second best showing after Alberta.  Never mind while the Saskatchewan Party big wins were largely due to then Brad Wall's popularity, in most provinces a party on the right can never get over 60% no matter how popular their leader was.  In BC and Ontario cracking the 50% for parties on the right let alone 60% is pretty much impossible.  Otherwise Atlantic Canada maybe more socially conservative, more pro closer relations with US, and pro military, but on economic policy a role of government it definitely leans in a more liberal direction.  Probably a good comparison would be the Scottish Highlands which are fairly traditional but ever since Thatcher, the Conservatives have generally struggled there (although they did breakthrough this last election).
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« Reply #7 on: August 22, 2017, 08:37:49 PM »

Is everyone forgetting good ole' fashioned prairie socialism?
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« Reply #8 on: August 22, 2017, 08:45:59 PM »

People putting Sask in the top three Conservative, please stop.


What because of Tommy Douglas or something?

Saskatchewan is a very different place than it was 20 or 30 years ago. It definitely belongs in the conversation.

It is very socially conservative (at least in the rural areas) and the resource sector is attracting an influx of conservative voters from other provinces. The Conservatives have dominated recent federal elections, and the conservative Saskatchewan Party has won numerous landslide elections, though they're not popular at the moment.

I am very curious why you think it's not that conservative.
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« Reply #9 on: August 22, 2017, 09:10:46 PM »

I think what he had in mind more was well...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Crown_corporations_of_Saskatchewan
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« Reply #10 on: August 22, 2017, 09:19:52 PM »


True although that is more a reflection of where it stood at the times.  Basically from the 50s through 70s is when nationalization was in vogue so because it was more left wing at that time it nationalized more than others did.  Privatization was the big thing in the 80s and 90s and although they did some privatization in the 80s, largely halted in the 90s and by the time the Saskatchewan Party came to power in 2007 neither nationalization or privatization were common.  Since 2000 there have been very few privatizations or nationalizations in Canada, otherwise regardless of ideology of government in power, its generally the status quo.
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« Reply #11 on: August 22, 2017, 09:51:04 PM »

Overall

1.  Alberta
2.  Saskatchewan
3.  Manitoba
4.  Ontario
5.  New Brunswick
6.  British Columbia
7.  Newfoundland & Labrador
8.  Prince Edward Island
9.  Nova Scotia
10.  Quebec

Fiscally

1.  Alberta
2.  Saskatchewan
3.  British Columbia
4.  Manitoba
5.  Ontario
6.  New Brunswick
7.  Quebec
8.  Nova Scotia
9.  Newfoundland & Labrador
10.  Prince Edward Island

Socially

1.  New Brunswick
2.  Saskatchewan
3.  Newfoundland & Labrador
4.  Prince Edward Island
5.  Nova Scotia
6.  Manitoba
7.  Alberta
8.  Ontario
9.  British Columbia
10.  Quebec


I'm curious what criteria you're using to rank the Atlantic provinces.
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« Reply #12 on: August 22, 2017, 11:22:34 PM »

Overall

1.  Alberta
2.  Saskatchewan
3.  Manitoba
4.  Ontario
5.  New Brunswick
6.  British Columbia
7.  Newfoundland & Labrador
8.  Prince Edward Island
9.  Nova Scotia
10.  Quebec

Fiscally

1.  Alberta
2.  Saskatchewan
3.  British Columbia
4.  Manitoba
5.  Ontario
6.  New Brunswick
7.  Quebec
8.  Nova Scotia
9.  Newfoundland & Labrador
10.  Prince Edward Island

Socially

1.  New Brunswick
2.  Saskatchewan
3.  Newfoundland & Labrador
4.  Prince Edward Island
5.  Nova Scotia
6.  Manitoba
7.  Alberta
8.  Ontario
9.  British Columbia
10.  Quebec


I'm curious what criteria you're using to rank the Atlantic provinces.

If you look at recent federal election results and just general voting patterns, New Brunswick is definitely the most conservative in Atlantic Canada.  I will admit of the other three you could pretty much put them in any order although I think in Nova Scotia you get more variance while PEI pretty much it seems almost everyone is close to the centre as it's always a Red Tory or centrist Liberal who wins there never the NDP or more right wing Conservatives. 
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« Reply #13 on: August 23, 2017, 04:33:31 AM »


Isn't that a bit like saying David Cameron would be to the left of Bernie Sanders because NHS?
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« Reply #14 on: August 23, 2017, 11:40:44 AM »

Isn't that a bit like saying David Cameron would be to the left of Bernie Sanders because NHS?

No, not at all. The equivalent of that would be saying that Brad Wall is to the left of Kathleen Wynne because he practice(d) his politics in a province with a much firmer socialist-and-statist culture than Ontario (a province that elected and re-elected Mike Harris ffs). Which would be absurd. But saying that political culture in Saskatchewan has a heavier social democratic element than is normal in Canada is just an acknowledgment of a very obvious truth. I mean the whole point of the Saskatchewan Party was to be a Nice Guy Moderate Hero FF Smiley conservative party that would leave the province's social democratic heritage unharmed while also keeping taxes low.
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« Reply #15 on: August 23, 2017, 02:29:07 PM »

"most conservative" does not mean "least social democrat". Obviously Atlantic Canada and Ontario are more anti-social democrat than Saskatchewan, but that's not because they're more conservative, it's because they're more centrist.

The Mike Harris regime (and the Bob Rae one before that) is a blip in Ontario's long history of centrist governments. Now, let's never mention his name again, mmkay?
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« Reply #16 on: August 24, 2017, 07:35:01 PM »

"most conservative" does not mean "least social democrat". Obviously Atlantic Canada and Ontario are more anti-social democrat than Saskatchewan, but that's not because they're more conservative, it's because they're more centrist.

The Mike Harris regime (and the Bob Rae one before that) is a blip in Ontario's long history of centrist governments. Now, let's never mention his name again, mmkay?

I don't think lower NDP votes in Atlantic Canada or Ontario means a philosophical opposition to social democracy as compared to Saskatchewan.  To a large degree it's Duverger's Law at work - the Liberals are the main "center-left" party while in Saskatchewan the NDP is the main opposition to the Conservatives.
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« Reply #17 on: August 24, 2017, 07:38:54 PM »

If you look at recent federal election results and just general voting patterns, New Brunswick is definitely the most conservative in Atlantic Canada.  I will admit of the other three you could pretty much put them in any order although I think in Nova Scotia you get more variance while PEI pretty much it seems almost everyone is close to the centre as it's always a Red Tory or centrist Liberal who wins there never the NDP or more right wing Conservatives. 

I agree NB is the most conservative of the three overall and PEI the most centrist.

Not sure why PEI comes out more socially liberal than Newfoundland though.
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