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Rjjr77
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« on: August 21, 2017, 12:53:43 PM »

Tons of people could make strong runs, none will be serious contenders. The way the Democrats work is too much solidarity among the donor community, theres just no enough cash to spread around.
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Rjjr77
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« Reply #1 on: August 21, 2017, 02:58:43 PM »

Tons of people could make strong runs, none will be serious contenders. The way the Democrats work is too much solidarity among the donor community, theres just no enough cash to spread around.

Isn't that what people used to say about the Republicans?  That they always anointed a single person as their establishment champion?  That seriously broke down in 2008, when consensus on who the establishment frontrunner should be didn't materialize early on, and then this broke down further in 2016.


No, I dont think thats the case about the GOP. The GOP has been a "next in line" party but thats more the voters than the donors, we've seen plenty of real candidacy challenges among republicans with major funding.

Democrats tend to have less of the "sugar daddy" (no better way to put it) effect of a single or handful of major donors backing a lesser candidate. What you see often is democrat donors tend to get in groups behind two, maybe three candidates. When we see an out of the blue candidate they are often backed but hundreds of small donors (bernie and howard dean come to mind) or come with a powerful fundraising network behind them (Obama and Bill Clinton). And with the exception of Clinton we havent seen the race fall into anything but a 2 horse race with donors quickly lining up behind one or the other. I also tend to think 92 would have happened quite a bit differently if the primaries had started later as Cuomo or Gore would have gotten in if Bush hadn't been riding the approval rating wave he had. Cuomo probably clears that field pretty quickly with the donors.

I think the best way to put it is this: almost all GOP donors pick a horse early and get in the race right away, which is where we get like 500 candidates funded by only 1 or two people, where as on the dem side only a handful of donors get in early and the rest jump in after Iowa behind one or another candidate.
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Rjjr77
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« Reply #2 on: August 21, 2017, 03:01:23 PM »

Tons of people could make strong runs, none will be serious contenders. The way the Democrats work is too much solidarity among the donor community, theres just no enough cash to spread around.

Isn't that what people used to say about the Republicans?  That they always anointed a single person as their establishment champion?  That seriously broke down in 2008, when consensus on who the establishment frontrunner should be didn't materialize early on, and then this broke down further in 2016.

And given the kind of campaign a Socialist septuagenarian no name reconition Jewish candidate from a tiny rural state ran last year, I think almost anything can happen in the 2020 Democratic primaries. I mean Sanders should've done worse than Bill Bradley (who lost every single state) did in 2000 and yet he forced Hillary to clinch the needed amount of delegates all the way to the convention.

Big money donors right now are VERY skeptical of investing in the DNC so 2020 is ripe for an insurgent candidate.

I mean except to most politicos the Sanders/Clinton race was over after Iowa, and I dont think too many donors were scared in the least bit.
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Rjjr77
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« Reply #3 on: August 21, 2017, 03:10:43 PM »

Tons of people could make strong runs, none will be serious contenders. The way the Democrats work is too much solidarity among the donor community, theres just no enough cash to spread around.

Isn't that what people used to say about the Republicans?  That they always anointed a single person as their establishment champion?  That seriously broke down in 2008, when consensus on who the establishment frontrunner should be didn't materialize early on, and then this broke down further in 2016.

And given the kind of campaign a Socialist septuagenarian no name reconition Jewish candidate from a tiny rural state ran last year, I think almost anything can happen in the 2020 Democratic primaries. I mean Sanders should've done worse than Bill Bradley (who lost every single state) did in 2000 and yet he forced Hillary to clinch the needed amount of delegates all the way to the convention.

Big money donors right now are VERY skeptical of investing in the DNC so 2020 is ripe for an insurgent candidate.

I mean except to most politicos the Sanders/Clinton race was over after Iowa, and I dont think too many donors were scared in the least bit.

That's not the point though: Sanders basically showed that even a celebrity in the Democratic Party who cleared the entire field early on was vulnerable to an incredibly weak candidate in Sanders.

Plus the DNC has raised half the amount of money the RNC since the election last year. Big money donors are justifiably pissed at the Democrats for their 1 billion fiasco that was the Clinton campaign last year. Not to mention that the Party itself is in the weakest position at the local, state, and federal level since the 1920's. If I were a donor I sure as hell wouldn't invest in such an incompetent Party.

I think theres something to say about that, sure, but investing in the DNC is not the same as investing in a presidential candidate. When we see a Martin O'Malley superpac with actual money in it, we can say theres a donor schism, until then I'll continue to assume they operate the way dem donors always do
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