KY-PPP (D): McConnell trails Generic D by 7 points, Paul leads by 12
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« Reply #25 on: August 21, 2017, 10:19:51 PM »

Great poll!
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« Reply #26 on: August 22, 2017, 12:01:50 AM »

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« Reply #27 on: August 22, 2017, 04:35:47 AM »


^^


On a separate note:

Trump approval: 60/36
McConnell approval: 18/74


And yet, people were telling me in the US Gen Disc forum that Trump's lil spat with McConnell could hurt him with the base.  LOL.  Mmm-hmm.
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« Reply #28 on: August 22, 2017, 05:04:07 AM »

McConnell is the epitome of a Washington DC insider and what people dislike about the political system. He is vulnerable to losing in the primary or the general.
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« Reply #29 on: August 22, 2017, 08:43:24 AM »

didn't McConnell start out fairly far behind in 2014 too? McConnell has that seat as long as he wants it because he runs bloody as hell campaigns.

I mean he beat Grimes by 15 even with just horrible approval ratings. Now that might be a reflection on Grimes, but still.

Grimes ran a terrible campaign in 2014 and the race started as a dead-heat.

If you named a Democrat, McConnell would probably be ahead at the moment (perhaps by 1 or 2, but ahead nevertheless)

I doubt he would against Ben Chandler, Jim Gray, Andy Beshear, or Daniel Mongiardo.
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« Reply #30 on: August 22, 2017, 09:23:22 AM »

The only Democrat that may have a shot is Steve Beshear, but the dude is over 70 and there is no election until 2020.
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« Reply #31 on: August 22, 2017, 09:35:56 AM »

Definitely worth competing in, democrats have a hard path to 60, and forcing Republicans to pump money into KT hurts them nationwide.

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« Reply #32 on: August 22, 2017, 09:56:17 AM »

no wonder Democrats are in such lousy shape...they just straight give up

Uh, they certainly didn't give up in 2014, and McConnell won in a landslide despite the fact that most people (for whatever reason) thought Grimes had a decent shot at taking him out. He's not going to lose in 2020 with Trump winning the state by 25+ points and KY trending even further away from Democrats. And if you think Trump isn't going to endorse McConnell for reelection, you're kidding yourself.

In the end, they'll probably nominate someone like Andy Beshear who is touted as competitive and ends up losing by double digits on election day. This seat isn't going to flip, and certainly not before NC, CO, AK, MT, GA, etc. anyway. Republicans have to worry about a lot of states in 2020, but KY isn't one of them.
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« Reply #33 on: August 22, 2017, 11:29:27 AM »

no wonder Democrats are in such lousy shape...they just straight give up

Uh, they certainly didn't give up in 2014, and McConnell won in a landslide despite the fact that most people (for whatever reason) thought Grimes had a decent shot at taking him out. He's not going to lose in 2020 with Trump winning the state by 25+ points and KY trending even further away from Democrats. And if you think Trump isn't going to endorse McConnell for reelection, you're kidding yourself.

In the end, they'll probably nominate someone like Andy Beshear who is touted as competitive and ends up losing by double digits on election day. This seat isn't going to flip, and certainly not before NC, CO, AK, MT, GA, etc. anyway. Republicans have to worry about a lot of states in 2020, but KY isn't one of them.

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« Reply #34 on: August 22, 2017, 11:31:45 AM »

Likely R, just becausee these disapprovals are beyond what McConnell normally has.  He'll most likely win by double digits though.
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« Reply #35 on: August 22, 2017, 03:07:21 PM »

Ds should definitely compete here, whether or not McConnell retires. Like WV, the KY electorate is more "populist" than the traditional libertarian-leaning conservative types that dominate congress. Andy Beshear would be a good candidate if he passes on running for governor.
Wow great honer! 40% of Kentucky Democrats approve of Trump. Winning

Aren't like a majority of Kentuckians registered Democrats? Ancestral democrats but practically Republicans?
Yeah. Just like WV, there are a lot of DINOs who haven't voted for a Democrat for president since Bill Clinton, and consistently vote for Republicans at least at the presidential level.

True. Even Kim Davis was a registered Dem until recently. Most of KY and WV Dems are Fake Democrats.
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« Reply #36 on: August 22, 2017, 06:43:06 PM »

McConnell is fake vulnerable. He's not going to lose that seat. Bet on it.
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« Reply #37 on: August 23, 2017, 01:45:50 AM »

For a senator who gets a 18% job approval he does pretty well against Democrats. Jesus Democrats get your sh*t together and have a message instead of stronger together.
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« Reply #38 on: August 23, 2017, 02:20:03 AM »

It's hard to believe that the Democrats have any plausible path to winning in Kentucky, but with those kinds of numbers the race looks more like Likely R than Safe R. Maybe Dems will get lucky with a strong right-wing third party candidacy.
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« Reply #39 on: August 23, 2017, 05:23:37 AM »

For a senator who gets a 18% job approval he does pretty well against Democrats. Jesus Democrats get your sh*t together and have a message instead of stronger together.

Funny since you would want anyone who is remotely pro-coal primaried, and they would fail miserably.
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« Reply #40 on: August 24, 2017, 08:17:37 AM »

So let me get this straight: According to the poll, Kentuckians will vote for Republicans (except McConnell), but overwhelmingly support liberal policies on healthcare?

Don't vote Republican, and you might just get the policies you want. It's not that hard to understand.
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« Reply #41 on: August 24, 2017, 09:58:07 AM »

So let me get this straight: According to the poll, Kentuckians will vote for Republicans (except McConnell), but overwhelmingly support liberal policies on healthcare?

Don't vote Republican, and you might just get the policies you want. It's not that hard to understand.
A lot of people do it because of wedge issues like abortion, guns, gay marriage, religion, Fox News, etc.
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« Reply #42 on: August 24, 2017, 09:48:17 PM »

no wonder Democrats are in such lousy shape...they just straight give up

Uh, they certainly didn't give up in 2014, and McConnell won in a landslide despite the fact that most people (for whatever reason) thought Grimes had a decent shot at taking him out. He's not going to lose in 2020 with Trump winning the state by 25+ points and KY trending even further away from Democrats. And if you think Trump isn't going to endorse McConnell for reelection, you're kidding yourself.

In the end, they'll probably nominate someone like Andy Beshear who is touted as competitive and ends up losing by double digits on election day. This seat isn't going to flip, and certainly not before NC, CO, AK, MT, GA, etc. anyway. Republicans have to worry about a lot of states in 2020, but KY isn't one of them.

Democrats addiction to data and polls full-fill a self-fulfilling prophecy in some ways. KY is just as ripe for the taking as CO but I guess if Democrats want to live and die by what the data tells them and if that's the case, they deserve to lose this seat. 2014 was a lousy year for Democrats and had the lowest mid-term turnout in US History (a large part due to Dems running total stiffs), if the Democratic party is ok with writing off every seat not beholden to ''muh demographics''...then frankly they deserve to lose

No.....no it is not.
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« Reply #43 on: August 24, 2017, 11:08:55 PM »

no wonder Democrats are in such lousy shape...they just straight give up

Uh, they certainly didn't give up in 2014, and McConnell won in a landslide despite the fact that most people (for whatever reason) thought Grimes had a decent shot at taking him out. He's not going to lose in 2020 with Trump winning the state by 25+ points and KY trending even further away from Democrats. And if you think Trump isn't going to endorse McConnell for reelection, you're kidding yourself.

In the end, they'll probably nominate someone like Andy Beshear who is touted as competitive and ends up losing by double digits on election day. This seat isn't going to flip, and certainly not before NC, CO, AK, MT, GA, etc. anyway. Republicans have to worry about a lot of states in 2020, but KY isn't one of them.

Democrats addiction to data and polls full-fill a self-fulfilling prophecy in some ways. KY is just as ripe for the taking as CO but I guess if Democrats want to live and die by what the data tells them and if that's the case, they deserve to lose this seat. 2014 was a lousy year for Democrats and had the lowest mid-term turnout in US History (a large part due to Dems running total stiffs), if the Democratic party is ok with writing off every seat not beholden to ''muh demographics''...then frankly they deserve to lose

No.....no it is not.
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« Reply #44 on: August 25, 2017, 08:19:49 AM »

For a senator who gets a 18% job approval he does pretty well against Democrats. Jesus Democrats get your sh*t together and have a message instead of stronger together.

Funny since you would want anyone who is remotely pro-coal primaried, and they would fail miserably.

Your right. Running to the center on key Democratic issues is key to winning elections, just ask Senator Grimes and Senator Nunn.
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« Reply #45 on: August 25, 2017, 10:34:39 AM »

For a senator who gets a 18% job approval he does pretty well against Democrats. Jesus Democrats get your sh*t together and have a message instead of stronger together.

Funny since you would want anyone who is remotely pro-coal primaried, and they would fail miserably.

Your right. Running to the center on key Democratic issues is key to winning elections, just ask Senator Grimes and Senator Nunn.

Senator Manchin says hi.
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« Reply #46 on: August 25, 2017, 11:47:59 AM »

For a senator who gets a 18% job approval he does pretty well against Democrats. Jesus Democrats get your sh*t together and have a message instead of stronger together.

Funny since you would want anyone who is remotely pro-coal primaried, and they would fail miserably.

Your right. Running to the center on key Democratic issues is key to winning elections, just ask Senator Grimes and Senator Nunn.

You should ask Senator Sam Nunn, though.
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« Reply #47 on: August 25, 2017, 03:38:07 PM »

It's all in the messaging. Democrats just need a nominee that will connect with people and tell the truth about dear daddy Mitch.
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« Reply #48 on: August 25, 2017, 03:39:34 PM »

It's all in the messaging. Democrats just need a nominee that will connect with people and tell the truth about dear daddy Mitch.

That he's an awesome national treasure that should be cherished and protected?
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« Reply #49 on: August 25, 2017, 03:43:51 PM »

It's all in the messaging. Democrats just need a nominee that will connect with people and tell the truth about dear daddy Mitch.

If you guys can find someone to beat him you will have my thanks.
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