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Associate Justice PiT
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« on: November 03, 2017, 01:49:41 AM »

Maintaining a well regulated militia. That is all.

"I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public officials."

— George Mason, in Debates in Virginia Convention on Ratification of the Constitution (one of the co-authors of the Bill of Rights)

     Discounting original intent is a little silly when one considers that lexicon and syntax have changed appreciably since 1787. Understanding of words might change, such that one has to actually look at contemporaneous writings to understand what the law is supposed to say. Otherwise the meanings of the Constitution can sway with changes in language, which is not at all desirable.
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Associate Justice PiT
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« Reply #1 on: November 25, 2017, 05:59:48 PM »

It's weird that on this left leaning political message board, gun rights peoples destroy gun control peoples every time.  Sure, it helps a lot that we have the facts and logic on our side and all they have is emotion and gut, but these things are much more evenly divided most of the time on the internet.

I'd be tempted to infract that for excessive hyperbole except that's really mod speak for trolling by exaggeration and I don't think you're trolling. I will agree that gun control doesn't appear to be a primary issue for leftists here, probably because our extreme left wing is mostly anarchist-left rather than statist-left. Also, the people who post here generally acknowledge the Second Amendment exists and isn't going to disappear any time soon, so that's not going to be up for debate, just the parameters of what regulations of guns are both desirable and constitutional.

However, considering all the statistics that show that people who don't have guns in the house are less likely to die from guns, that people who live in states with lax concealed carry laws are more likely to die from guns, etc. I'd say the facts and logic generally aren't on the side of the gun cultists.

     Considering that this is the Constitution and Law board, I surmise that dead0man is referring concretely to constitutional arguments over the Second Amendment as opposed to more utilitarian arguments over guns in general. Sadly, this thread hasn't delved much into the more esoteric arguments against the orthodox interpretation of the Second Amendment that have emerged in recent years, such as claiming that it only protects ownership of models that existed in 1790.
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