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« Reply #200 on: December 29, 2017, 10:10:48 am »
« edited: December 29, 2017, 10:21:47 am by Parrotguy »

Please read the first post in the end of the previous page. It contains the more interesting races anyway Tongue

September 1st, 2016

DOWNBALLOT RACES: The Struggle for the Mansions (PART 2)

North Dakota
Doug Burgum (R) vs George Sinner (D)
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While Democrats were initially ready to give up on the race, Tom Daschle's entrance to the Senate race eventually convinced them to run a semi-credible candidate in the race to succeed retiring Govenor Jack Darlymple (R), and they convinced former State Senator George B. Sinner to run as a sort of a sacrifical lamb against Republican nominee, businessman Doug Burgum. Still, the race is unlikely to get competitive.
RATING: Safe R

Oregon
Kate Brown (D) vs Bud Pierce (R)
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In Oregon, Governor Kate Brown, the former Secretary of State who was sworn in after former Governor John Kitzhaber's resignation amidst scandal, is running for reelection in a special election. Despite the circumstances of her rise, Oregon's liberal lean and her effective campaign lead her to lead the Republican nominee, physician Bud Pierce, and she's likely to be the first elected openly LGBTQ Governor in the history of the nation.
RATING: Likely D

Utah
Gary Herbert (R) vs Mike Weinholtz (D)
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In Utah, Governor Gary Herbert is running strong and considered almost certain to defeat the Democratic nominee, businessman Mike Weinholtz. However, with former Governor Jon Huntsman, under whom he served as Lieutenant Governor, running as an independent, Herbert is facing a tough choice over who to endorse in the Presidential race, a choice that could have some impact on his reelection race.
RATING: Safe R

Vermont
Sue Minter (D) vs Phil Scott (R)
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The race to succeed retiring Democratic Governor Peter Shmulin in one of the most leftist states in the union is shaping up to be surprisingly close. The Democratic nominee, former State Representative and Transportation Secretary under Shmulin, Sue Minter, is disliked by many Sanders supporters in his state and the man himself didn't even campaign for her yet, while the Republican nominee, Lieutenant Governor Phil Scott, is a fairly popular moderate Republican who already managed to win statewide. The little polling done there suggests a close race, but most observers predict that a Presidential election environment and polarization will hand the race to the Democrats.
RATING: Lean D

West Virginia
Carte Goodwin (D) vs Bill Cole (R)
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In one of the most conservative states in the nation, the race to succeed Democratic Governor Jay Rockfeller also appears to be tight. While President of the State Senate Bill Cole easily won the Republican nomination, the Democratic primary was a bloody battle between businessman, and Republican until 2015, Jim Justice, State Senate Minority Leader Jeff Kessler and Carte Goodwin, who briefly served as Senator in 2010 and was strongly supported by Senator Joe Manchin. In the end, after reminding voters of Justice's very recent party switch, Goodwin won the nomination 41% to 39% for Justice and 20% for Kessler. Now, pundits believe that Trump's popularity in the state and the fact that Goodwin was accused of being too liberal would hand the race to the Republicans.
RATING: Lean R

Washington
Jay Inslee (D) vs Bill Bryant (R)
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Incumbent Governor Jay Inslee and Republican former Port of Seatle Commissioner Bill Bryant advanced to the general election out of Washington's jungle primary. While Republicans were hoping to present a credible challenge to Inslee, their hopes crumbled as soon as they were forced to diverge resources to other races and face an uphill climb in the general election.
RATING: Safe D
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« Reply #201 on: December 29, 2017, 01:01:02 pm »

Ohama wins
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« Reply #202 on: December 29, 2017, 05:42:52 pm »

Ohama wins
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« Reply #203 on: December 29, 2017, 05:48:06 pm »

Please read the first post in the end of the previous page. It contains the more interesting races anyway Tongue

September 1st, 2016

DOWNBALLOT RACES: The Struggle for the Mansions (PART 2)

North Dakota
Doug Burgum (R) vs George Sinner (D)
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While Democrats were initially ready to give up on the race, Tom Daschle's entrance to the Senate race eventually convinced them to run a semi-credible candidate in the race to succeed retiring Govenor Jack Darlymple (R), and they convinced former State Senator George B. Sinner to run as a sort of a sacrifical lamb against Republican nominee, businessman Doug Burgum. Still, the race is unlikely to get competitive.
RATING: Safe R

Oregon
Kate Brown (D) vs Bud Pierce (R)
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In Oregon, Governor Kate Brown, the former Secretary of State who was sworn in after former Governor John Kitzhaber's resignation amidst scandal, is running for reelection in a special election. Despite the circumstances of her rise, Oregon's liberal lean and her effective campaign lead her to lead the Republican nominee, physician Bud Pierce, and she's likely to be the first elected openly LGBTQ Governor in the history of the nation.
RATING: Likely D

Utah
Gary Herbert (R) vs Mike Weinholtz (D)
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In Utah, Governor Gary Herbert is running strong and considered almost certain to defeat the Democratic nominee, businessman Mike Weinholtz. However, with former Governor Jon Huntsman, under whom he served as Lieutenant Governor, running as an independent, Herbert is facing a tough choice over who to endorse in the Presidential race, a choice that could have some impact on his reelection race.
RATING: Safe R

Vermont
Sue Minter (D) vs Phil Scott (R)
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The race to succeed retiring Democratic Governor Peter Shmulin in one of the most leftist states in the union is shaping up to be surprisingly close. The Democratic nominee, former State Representative and Transportation Secretary under Shmulin, Sue Minter, is disliked by many Sanders supporters in his state and the man himself didn't even campaign for her yet, while the Republican nominee, Lieutenant Governor Phil Scott, is a fairly popular moderate Republican who already managed to win statewide. The little polling done there suggests a close race, but most observers predict that a Presidential election environment and polarization will hand the race to the Democrats.
RATING: Lean D

West Virginia
Carte Goodwin (D) vs Bill Cole (R)
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In one of the most conservative states in the nation, the race to succeed Democratic Governor Jay Rockfeller also appears to be tight. While President of the State Senate Bill Cole easily won the Republican nomination, the Democratic primary was a bloody battle between businessman, and Republican until 2015, Jim Justice, State Senate Minority Leader Jeff Kessler and Carte Goodwin, who briefly served as Senator in 2010 and was strongly supported by Senator Joe Manchin. In the end, after reminding voters of Justice's very recent party switch, Goodwin won the nomination 41% to 39% for Justice and 20% for Kessler. Now, pundits believe that Trump's popularity in the state and the fact that Goodwin was accused of being too liberal would hand the race to the Republicans.
RATING: Lean R

Washington
Jay Inslee (D) vs Bill Bryant (R)
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Incumbent Governor Jay Inslee and Republican former Port of Seatle Commissioner Bill Bryant advanced to the general election out of Washington's jungle primary. While Republicans were hoping to present a credible challenge to Inslee, their hopes crumbled as soon as they were forced to diverge resources to other races and face an uphill climb in the general election.
RATING: Safe D
How is Gary Herbert an Independent?
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« Reply #204 on: December 29, 2017, 05:53:03 pm »
« Edited: December 30, 2017, 02:48:21 pm by Parrotguy »


*Snip*

How is Gary Herbert an Independent?

Herbert is a Republican. Huntsman is running on an independent ticket in the Presidential election.
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« Reply #205 on: December 30, 2017, 09:12:42 am »

I think Obama wins in the end, but closer than exepected. Trump flips Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, while Obama keeps Florida and Michigan (any maybe takes Arizona).
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« Reply #206 on: December 30, 2017, 03:45:54 pm »

September 11th, 2016

Candidates suspend campaigning to attend 9\11 memorials

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NEW YORK CITY - Suspending their campaign efforts for the day, Republican nominee Donald Trump and Democratic nominee Barack Obama attended the customary September 11 memorials. The President attended the memorial outside the Pentagon and gave heartfelt remarks, mourning the "3000 beautiful lives" lost in the attack and promising to do everything in his power to make sure "a tragedy like that will never happen again".

Meanwhile, Trump attended the anniversary ceremony itself in the memorial plaza in New York City, an apolitical ceremony attended by many politicians. Also in attendance were Trump's running mate, New Jersey Governor Chris Christie, and two former candidates for the 2016 Democratic nomination, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and New York Governor Andrew Cuomo, as well as local politicians like New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio, Former Mayors Rudy Giuliani and Michael Bloomberg, New York Senators Chuck Schumer and Kristen Gillibrand, and Representatives of the state including Peter King and Hakeem Jeffries. Another noteable attendee was Wisconsin Senator Tammy Baldwin, Obama's running mate. Her appearance received some backlash, and the Obama campaign was criticized for "politicizing" the ceremony.

But with the somber remembrance day done, the campaign was back in full force. Trump immediately jumped on the criticism against the President's campaign, calling Senator Baldwin's attendance of the memorial "disgusting" in an interview to "Fox and Friends", and saying that it shows "President Obama has zero respect for anything". Governor Christie joined the chorus and lambasted the Democrats as "cynical people who make politics out of anything and have no shame." Democrats tried to deflect the outrage, employing New York politicians to the task. Senator Chuck Schumer called the criticism "a pile of nonsense". "Since when," he said in an interview, "the attendance of a U.S. Senator to such an important ceremony can be called 'disgusting'?" Fellow Senator Kirsten Gillibrand joined him, saying that "Trump is the one who has no shame."

Meanwhile, Independent candidate Jon Huntsman framed the exchange of fire between the two sides as "shameful mudslinging" which "shows very well how polarization is corrupting our political system." He claimed that both sides tried to exploit 9\11 for political gain, and that a third choice was needed. Retired Admiral James Starvidis, his running mate, added that "the major parties have no respect for our armed forces."
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« Reply #207 on: December 30, 2017, 04:23:11 pm »
« Edited: December 31, 2017, 06:15:36 am by Parrotguy »

September 16th, 2016

Trump attempts to put birther controversy to rest, admits Obama was born in the U.S.

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WASHINGTON, D.C. - Attempting to put to rest a very controversial issue, which was used by Democrats as a way to ram the Republican nominee and label him as a racist, Donald Trump announced today in a press conference that he believes President Obama was born in the United States: "President Barack Obama was born in the United States. Period."

Since 2011, Trump was a leader and prepertuer of a movement that doubted the President was born in the U.S., and thus was ineligible to serve. He continuesely claimed that Obama could've been born in Kenya and demanded a birth certificate. Even when the certificate was released, Trump claimed that it might've been a fraud, citing "an extremely credible source" and repeating that "many people are saying" Obama was not born in the U.S. The birther movement was accused of inherent racism by many Democrats and moderates, and the President laughed it off as ridiculous. Many pundits and political observers speculate that it might've been the start of Trump's rise as the leader of the populist right.

In the 2016 election, running against Obama himself, the birther movement continued to be a major issue and fodder for attack by DNC ads. And so, Trump finally succumbed to the pressure and said that he believes Obama was born in the country. Republican leaders approved of the move, with Speaker Ryan saying that Trump displayed "good judgement" by putting the issue to rest. But Democratic surrogates were having none of it- Senator Tammy Baldwin said that she "doesn't believe for a second" Trump actually had a change of mind, and labeled it as "a move done under pressure by campaign staffers and Republican leaders." Former Massachusets Governor Deval Patrick said that the announcemnet "changes nothing," and that "Trump is still a racist, his birther movement is still racist."

Following that, Republican running mate Chris Christie and Vice President Joe Biden, two big personalities and opinionated men, got into a public feud. It started when Biden lambasted Trump's announcement as "a bunch of malarkey" on live TV, adding that "Barack was always calm, but when I heard what that man kept saying about my friend, I just wanted to punch him in the face." Christie responded that Biden is "a foolish, violent bully who has no accomplishments and still sees fit to viciously attack a much more successful man." The Vice President, on his part, retorted in an MSNBC interview: "it's very rich of Governor Christie to call me a bully. Last time I checked, closing down an entire well-trafficked bridge because of your petty grudges is bullying. In fact, I believe that is actually a federal crime." This statement set off Christie, who blasted Biden and called him "a loser who accomplished nothing in his entire political career." President Obama, defending his friend, tweeted a long list of accomplishments and major roles played by Biden in law, the New Castle Council, the Senate and the Vice Presidency, and it became one of the most retweeted tweets that month.

Meanwhile, polling numbers show Trump steadily improving, following a fairly calm and relatively controversy-free September:

Barack Obama vs Donald Trump (General)
Barack Obama- 49%
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Donald Trump- 45%
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Undecided- 6%
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OBAMA +4

Barack Obama vs Donald Trump vs Jon Huntsman vs Gary Johnson vs Jill Stein (General)
Barack Obama- 45%
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Donald Trump- 38%
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Jon Huntsman- 10%
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Gary Johnson- 3%
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Jill Stein- 0%
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Other/Undecided- 4%
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OBAMA +7
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« Reply #208 on: December 30, 2017, 04:25:35 pm »

Sad to see Adm Stavridis become an unashamed Moderate Hero in this universe
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« Reply #209 on: December 30, 2017, 07:05:28 pm »

Always a fan of a Moderate Republican.... Go Huntsman!
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« Reply #210 on: December 31, 2017, 06:06:29 am »
« Edited: December 31, 2017, 06:16:51 am by Parrotguy »

September 21st, 2016

Fmr. Sec. Rice, Former Mayor Bloomberg endorse Jon Huntsman, giving him a boost ahead of 1st debate

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« Reply #211 on: December 31, 2017, 07:17:16 am »

September 25th, 2016

POLLING UPDATE: Swing state map before the 1st debate



WASHINGTON, D.C. - with the first Presidential debate of the season just around the corner, polling is getting intense for the many swingstates that will decide the identity of the next President of the United States. Right now, it seems, incumbent Barack Obama has a good chance to win a historic third term in the office, but Republican Donald Trump does have a path if he manages to topple enough of the swingstates. Noteably, most pundits agree that Florida, Ohio, Iowa and North Carolina, the swingstates he's currently closest to winning, are almost must-wins for Trump, but he also likely to win Nevada, New Hampshire and Utah, or improve his numbers in states like Colorado, Virginia, Michigan or Wisconsin (the latter two being heavy targets of his campaign), making his path difficult. Let's look at the current numbers in the close states:

Barack Obama vs Donald Trump vs Jon Huntsman vs Gary Johnson vs Jill Stein (Arizona)
Donald Trump- 40%
Barack Obama- 36%
Jon Huntsman- 15%
Gary Johnson- 3%
Jill Stein- 0%
Undecided/other- 6%
TRUMP +4

Barack Obama vs Donald Trump vs Jon Huntsman vs Gary Johnson vs Jill Stein (Colorado)
Barack Obama- 42%
Donald Trump- 36%
Jon Huntsman- 14%
Gary Johnson- 4%
Jill Stein- 0%
Undecided/other- 4%
OBAMA +6

Barack Obama vs Donald Trump vs Jon Huntsman vs Gary Johnson vs Jill Stein (Florida)
Barack Obama- 43%
Donald Trump- 41%
Jon Huntsman- 9%
Gary Johnson- 2%
Jill Stein- 0%
Undecided/other- 5%
OBAMA +2

Barack Obama vs Donald Trump vs Jon Huntsman vs Gary Johnson vs Jill Stein (Georgia)
Donald Trump- 43%
Barack Obama- 38%
Jon Huntsman- 12%
Gary Johnson- 2%
Jill Stein- 0%
Undecided/other- 5%
TRUMP +5

Barack Obama vs Donald Trump vs Jon Huntsman vs Gary Johnson vs Jill Stein (Indiana)
Donald Trump- 44%
Barack Obama- 38%
Jon Huntsman- 9%
Gary Johnson- 3%
Jill Stein- 0%
Undecided/other- 6%
TRUMP +6

Barack Obama vs Donald Trump vs Jon Huntsman vs Gary Johnson vs Jill Stein (Iowa)
Donald Trump- 42%
Barack Obama- 41%
Jon Huntsman- 9%
Gary Johnson- 2%
Jill Stein- 1%
Undecided/other- 5%
TRUMP +1

Barack Obama vs Donald Trump vs Jon Huntsman vs Gary Johnson vs Jill Stein (Maine)
Barack Obama- 43%
Donald Trump- 36%
Jon Huntsman- 12%
Gary Johnson- 2%
Jill Stein- 1%
Undecided/other- 6%
OBAMA +7

Barack Obama vs Donald Trump vs Jon Huntsman vs Gary Johnson vs Jill Stein (Maine CD2)
Donald Trump- 42%
Barack Obama- 40%
Jon Huntsman- 8%
Gary Johnson- 2%
Jill Stein- 0%
Undecided/other- 8%
TRUMP +2

Barack Obama vs Donald Trump vs Jon Huntsman vs Gary Johnson vs Jill Stein (Michigan)
Barack Obama- 43%
Donald Trump- 38%
Jon Huntsman- 11%
Gary Johnson- 1%
Jill Stein- 1%
Undecided/other- 6%
OBAMA +6

Barack Obama vs Donald Trump vs Jon Huntsman vs Gary Johnson vs Jill Stein (Minnesota)
Barack Obama- 45%
Donald Trump- 37%
Jon Huntsman- 12%
Gary Johnson- 2%
Jill Stein- 0%
Undecided/other- 4%
OBAMA +8

Barack Obama vs Donald Trump vs Jon Huntsman vs Gary Johnson vs Jill Stein (Nevada)
Barack Obama- 40%
Donald Trump- 37%
Jon Huntsman- 10%
Gary Johnson- 3%
Jill Stein- 0%
Undecided/other- 10%
OBAMA +3

Barack Obama vs Donald Trump vs Jon Huntsman vs Gary Johnson vs Jill Stein (New Hampshire)
Barack Obama- 41%
Donald Trump- 37%
Jon Huntsman- 13%
Gary Johnson- 4%
Jill Stein- 1%
Undecided/other- 4%
OBAMA +4

Barack Obama vs Donald Trump vs Jon Huntsman vs Gary Johnson vs Jill Stein (North Carolina)
Barack Obama- 42%
Donald Trump- 42%
Jon Huntsman- 11%
Gary Johnson- 1%
Jill Stein- 0%
Undecided/other- 4%
TIE

Barack Obama vs Donald Trump vs Jon Huntsman vs Gary Johnson vs Jill Stein (Ohio)
Barack Obama- 43%
Donald Trump- 43%
Jon Huntsman- 8%
Gary Johnson- 2%
Jill Stein- 0%
Undecided/other- 4%
TIE

Barack Obama vs Donald Trump vs Jon Huntsman vs Gary Johnson vs Jill Stein (Pennsylvania)
Barack Obama- 43%
Donald Trump- 38%
Jon Huntsman- 12%
Gary Johnson- 3%
Jill Stein- 0%
Undecided/other- 4%
OBAMA +5

Barack Obama vs Donald Trump vs Jon Huntsman vs Gary Johnson vs Jill Stein (Utah)
Jon Huntsman- 30%
Donald Trump- 29%
Barack Obama- 25%
Gary Johnson- 6%
Jill Stein- 0%
Undecided/other- 10%
HUNTSMAN +1

Barack Obama vs Donald Trump vs Jon Huntsman vs Gary Johnson vs Jill Stein (Virginia)
Barack Obama- 42%
Donald Trump- 35%
Jon Huntsman- 16%
Gary Johnson- 2%
Jill Stein- 0%
Undecided/other- 5%
OBAMA +7

Barack Obama vs Donald Trump vs Jon Huntsman vs Gary Johnson vs Jill Stein (Wisconsin)
Barack Obama- 41%
Donald Trump- 37%
Jon Huntsman- 13%
Gary Johnson- 2%
Jill Stein- 1%
Undecided/other- 6%
OBAMA +5
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« Reply #212 on: January 05, 2018, 05:44:02 pm »

September 26th, 2016

Obama, Trump spar in 1st Presidential debate; incumbent President dubbed clear victor

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HEMPSTEAD - The nominees of the two major parties, incumbent President Barack Obama and business mogul Donald Trump, gathered at Hofstra University in Hempstead, New York for their first Presidential debate of the season, moderated by NBC anchor Lester Holt. It was a heated affair from the start, pitting the charismatic President who attempted to stay calm and 'no-drama' throughout the debate, against an aggressive, brash Trump who was eager to trample his opponent and climb back up in the polls, often even interrupting Obama and Holt.

While none of the other contenders, Libertarian Gary Johnson, Green Jill Stein and, most noteably, Independent Jon Huntsman, could qualify for the debate, they all protested against the rules requiring more than 15% in polling averages for the qualification. Johnson and Stein, polling at 3% and 0% respectively, didn't get much attention, but Huntsman's campaign managed to stage a large protest in Hempstead. The former Utah Governor called the decision not to include him "silencing" and claimed that "this is just another sign that our political system is broken with polarization, allowing only two extreme voices to be heard." However, while Johnson and Stein protested the third-party system, Huntsman barely touched on the subject and merely called it "problematic".

Let us look at a few key moments from the debate:

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Lester Holt: Mr. President, despite many in your own party declining to support it, you've continuesly defended the Trans-Pacific Partnership, a trade agreement you've helped negotiate. They say it'll cause unemployment and even more outsourcing of jobs. Why are you still supporting it?
Barack Obama: Well, look, the answer is pretty simple. This is a deal I've been working on for quite some time, I believe in it, I support it. I won't stop supporting it just because some people said some things. You see, trade is one of our nation's most vital interests. It helps our economy, it boosts our growth, it decreases prices on many products, and it helps us retain our role as a world leader. Mr. Trump's rhetoric about the TPP is mere populism, and often blatant lies."
Donald Trump: "This is wrong on many, many levels, Mr. President. This President lies to you in your face, folks. This deal is a disaster, it's an absolute disaster. We're getting ripped off, absolutely ripped off, by all these nations, by Vietnam, by Mexoci, by China. They're taking all our job, all our jobs, and leaving our workers without employment. We need to put America first again, and President Obama is not going to do that. Only I will."
Barack Obama: "First of all, Mr. Trump, China is not part of this deal. In fact, by signing this deal we're tightening our strength in the pacific area. If we withdraw from the deal, we'll actually let China gain dominance. As for the..."
Donald Trump: "No, you've let China rip us off for years, you're just helping it gain dominance..."
Barack Obama: Excuse me, let me finish. As I was saying, the issue of jobs is much more complex than Mr. Trump is making it out to seem. Outsourcing is not the only cause of lost factory jobs, it's also automatation and modernization. Unfourtunately, this is just a trend we're seeing in history, where some jobs become less and less relevant, and I have a very detailed plan of trying to offset this. We need the state governments in West Virginia, in Ohio, in Kentucky and other states with lost jobs, like in the coal sector, to help us help them- pass job training bills, help other industries, like tourism and high tech, there are many things that can be done. In fact, we're already working on opening new jobs in the clean energy sector, which will also help us combat climate change- something that Mr. Trump claimed is a Chinese hoax, by the way..."
Donald Trump: "Wrong. That's wrong. Absolutely wrong. I did not say that."
Barack Obama: "...You did, Donald, that's documented. In the last eight years, we've managed to create many jobs and a strong economy, we've drastically decreased unemployment..."
Donald Trump: "This is a lie, you've lost many, many jobs, Mr. President, you're the greatest job loser ever."
Lester Holt: "Please, Mr. Trump, this is President Obama's 2 minutes."
Barack Obama: "...We've drastically decreased unemployment from a high of 10% during the 2008 recession to a low of below 5%. I intend to continue all this success during my third term."

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Barack Obama: "Look, economists examined this Trump tax plan again and again. They examined it, and they concluded that it would increase the debt by 5 trillion dollars. I'm planning on combatting the debts, not by letting rich corporations and businessmen pay less in taxes, but by asking them to pay more, by creating jobs in high tech, in clean energy, and..."
Donald Trump: "You are going to approve one of the biggest tax cuts in history. You are going to approve one of the biggest tax increases in history. And you've just increased the debt. You've more than doubled it. Your regulations are a disaster, an absolute disaster, and they'll drive businesses out. Your EPA is killing so many jobs in the energy sectors, it's a disaster."
Barack Obama: "Mr. Trump, my EPA is working to help combat pollution, to help combat what an overwhelming majority of the scientific community believes is one of the biggest threats today. I know you don't believe in science and climbate change, but..."
Donald Trump: "Wrong. Wrong. Stop lying."
Barack Obama: "...But we cannot just let the current climate trends continue, or the sealevels will rise to levels which will wipe out entire cities. You want to get us out of the Paris Agreement I'm negotiating right now, which would not only hurt our global efforts to combat this impending disaster but hurt American credibility in the world..."
Donald Trump: "Wrong. You're hurting American credibility in the world. You're hurting it, your foreign policy has been a disaster..."
Lester Holt: "Mr. Trump, please let the President finish. Then you will be able to to..."
Donald Trump: "...An absolute disaster. You've botched Iraq, you're in fact the cause ISIS is rising right now. You've botched Ukraine, and Syria, and Lybia, and..."
Lester Holt: "Mr Trump, this is..."
Donald Trump: "...And now you're botching the war on ISIS."
Barack Obama: "Done ranting, Donald? Good. Folks, as you can see..."
Donald Trump: "I'm not ranting. I'm not ranting. I'm telling the American people the truth."
Barack Obama: "Now, folks, as you can see, Donald Trump doesn't have the temprament to be President. This is a man who can be provoked to an angry response by a tweet, who gets over an internet dispute over the smallest issue. I definitely will not sleep calmly knowing that he has his finger on the button. And let me just add, it's not only a matter ot temperament, it's a matter of respect for the American people. Donald called the people of Iowa stupid..."
Donald Trump: "Wrong. I never said that."
Barack Obama: "He called Mexican immigrants rapists and drug-dealers. Just one small example is how he called a woman in a beauty contest 'Miss Piggy' and 'Miss Housekeeping' just because she's a latina. This woman actually does have a name, Mr. Trump..."
Donald Trump: "Where did you find this? Where did you find this?"
Barack Obama: "Her name is Alicia Machado, and this is a well-documented and well-reported event. She actually became a U.S. citizen, and is going to vote against you this November."
Donald Trump: "Really? I don't care. Let me just tell you, you're attacking me with tremendously bad adveristments, but you're lying to the American people. When I say something... you know, somebody who's been very vicious to me, Rosie O'Donnell, I said very tough things to her, and I think everybody would agree that she deserves it and nobody feels sorry for her. I was going to say something very rough to President Obama, and I told myself, 'no, I can't do that'..."
Barack Obama: "Thank you so much, Donald, I'm overwhelmed with gratitude."
Donald Trump: "...Stop interrupting me. I told myself, 'it's inappropriate, it's not nice'. So you know, I'm not a bad person. As for my temperament, I actually think this is one of my best qualities, I have by far a better temprament than President Obama, who's shown himself to have a tremendously bad judgement. I have a winning temprament, I know how to win, so this is a great asset of mine, maybe the best."


Post-debate analysis and polls showed a bad picture for the Republican nominee. Pundits called his performance "disastrous" and "unhinged", while President Obama was praised for remaining calm and collected throughout the event, with a few jabs at Trump proving more effective than the businessman's own attacks. After a fairly calm September, the debate seems likely to inflict another blow on the Trump campaign, and probably relieved the Obama campaign which was getting extremely anxious about testy polling numbers.

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Barack Obama- 57%
Donald Trump- 28%
Unsure- 15%
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« Reply #213 on: January 06, 2018, 01:47:31 am »

That was flawless. Obama was getting under my skin as if I was actually watching it play on TV!
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« Reply #214 on: January 06, 2018, 06:34:48 am »

October 2nd, 2016

REPORT: Obama administration "let Hezbollah off the hook" to reach Iran Deal

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WASHINGTON, D.C. - Just two days before the Vice Presidential debate between Senator Tammy Baldwin (D-WI) and Governor Chris Christie (R-NJ), a potential bombshell report was released by Politico. According to the article, the Obama administration obstructed efforts by a task force combatting Hezbollah's criminal, drug-dealing global enterprise in order to reach the nuclear deal with Iran. Hezbollah, a terrorist organization often targeting innocents in Israel and now embroiled in supporting the Assad regime in the Syrian civil war, is heavily supported by the Ayatollah regime with which the Obama administration worked hard to reach a deal to stall their nuclear program. Pundits called it "the potential October surprise".

In order to stem the firestorm, Press Secretary Josh Earnest quickly responded, saying that "President Obama believes Hezbollah is an illegitimate terrorist organization," however, the Iran Deal's importance for the security of the U.S. and its allies warranted "a temporary slowing of some efforts in order to reach a compromise", adding that the efforts are now continuing at full force. Senator Chuck Schumer, a pro-Israeli politician and the likely Senate Democratic leader after 2016, commented that the reports were "worrying" and that anything other than full opposition to Hezbollah is "a grave mistake".

Republicans were quick to jump on the wagon. Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell attacked the Obama administration for its "incompetent and irresponsible foreign policy, failing to handle foreign crises one after the other", while Senator John McCain, a noteable politician who refused to endorse Trump and is reportedly leaning towards supporting Independent Jon Huntsman, added that "this is just another event where the Obama administration showed its dangerously naive outlook on the world". Huntsman himself called the reports "alarming", adding that they showed how "little respect" the Obama administration has for U.S. allies. Meanwhile, Republican nominee Donald Trump responded, of course, with a tweet:

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But despite the scandal, polling numbers following a successful first debate show President Obama rising again, and widening the gap against Donald Trump:

Barack Obama vs Donald Trump (General)
Barack Obama- 51%
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Donald Trump- 44%
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Undecided- 5%
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OBAMA +7

Barack Obama vs Donald Trump vs Jon Huntsman vs Gary Johnson vs Jill Stein (General)
Barack Obama- 45%
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Donald Trump- 35%
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Jon Huntsman- 12%
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Gary Johnson- 3%
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Jill Stein- 0%
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Other/Undecided- 5%
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« Reply #215 on: January 06, 2018, 12:18:34 pm »

Very unexpected! Will be interesting to see what happens with the Access Hollywood tape now.
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« Reply #216 on: January 06, 2018, 09:18:44 pm »

Wonder if we will get a Podesta Email type leak?
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« Reply #217 on: January 13, 2018, 06:31:59 am »
« Edited: January 13, 2018, 06:34:54 am by Parrotguy »

October 4th, 2016

Christie, Baldwin participate in VP debate;

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FARMVILLE - The running mates of the two major party nominees gathered today for their first and only debate of the election season at Longwood University in Farmville, Virginia. With a bombastic, brash Governor like Chris Christie facing a fiery progressive figure like Senator Tammy Baldwin, it was bound to be a fiery affair, and the bombshell report about the Obama administration's treatment of Hazbollah, coupled with the many controversies of Republican nominee Donald Trump, only added fire to the fuel, forcing both Chris Christie and Senator Baldwin to go on the defensive for their running mates. Thus, the clash had more ratings than any Vice Presidential debate before it, perhaps increasing the name recognition of the two Vice Presidential nominees ahead of possible White House bids in the future. Like in the previous debates, the nominees of the third parties, independent Retired Admiral James Stavridis, Libertarian businessman Austin Petersen and Green activist Ajamu Baraka couldn't qualify for the debate.

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Chris Christie: "This administration has not only failed in foreign policy like, for example, the Carter administration. No, President Obama administered a nasty failure of a foreign policy- no real achievements, constant concessions to our enemies and rivals, and now we know that he also tried to actively obstruct Americans from combatting a terrorist organization! This administration was a disaster, folks, and if we reelect it, it will continue embarrassing us in the world stage and letting anti-American forces reign free."
Elaine Quijano: "Hold on a minute, Governor. You've just touched upon the subject of my next question: Senator Baldwin, a recent report from Politico details how the Obama administration slowed down efforts of a U.S. taskforce combatting Hezbollah's drug-dealing crime enterprise in order to reach a deal with Iran. Can you confirm this, and would you support such actions as Vice President?"
Tammy Baldwin: Thank you for the question. I certainly believe that we should combat Hezbollah and any other criminal or terrorist organization. We can do it by cooperating with other countries and allies on a global level, and making sure we don't let these terrorists take root in our own country. With that said, I am not sure any of us can objectively comment on such an issue when it comes to the intricacies of foreign policy without having being there. So..."
Chris Christie: "I'm sorry, Senator, but this is a load of phony statements. This President basically..."
Tammy Baldwin: "...So with that said, I believe that while we should combat Hezbollah with all our strength, we should also..."
Chris Christie: "...Basically colluded with a terror-supporting state and let it have free reign. It's disqualifying, absolutely unthinkable that we..."
Tammy Baldwin: "...Work for a solution to stop Iran from developing nuclear weapon, and this solution is not..."
Chris Christie: "...That we let this slip, we must not let a President who's fine with terrorists reigning free receive a third term!"
Elaine Quijano: "Governor Christie! Governor Christie! I will ask you to let the Senator speak. Let us restore order and civility to this debate!"
Tammy Baldwin: "Thank you, Elaine. What I was saying is, that while it's important that we combat Hezbollah with all our strength, it was also an issue of great importance that we stop Iran from developing nuclear weapons. The solution was not going to another costly, unnecessary war. The solution was diplomatic efforts and economic sanctions, and it worked. The Iran Deal stopped this imminent threat, and was a tremendous diplomatic achievement, which both UN officials and Israeli military leaders agree upon. So if the Hezbollah efforts were renewed, and they were, I cannot judge such a hard decision which lead to such a successful result."
Chris Christie: "There we go. There we go. Once again, we hear a robot of a politician repeating vague talking points. The fact of the matter is, the Iran Deal was a disaster, and the Israeli Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, agrees. It will lead to Iran obtaining nuclear weapons in a few years, and gives them the economic measures to keep funding terror. Barack Obama did all he could to reach it because he and Secretary Kerry wanted to look successful, and trampled our allies in the process."

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Elaine Quijano: "Governor, until recent years, you were considered a popular, moderate politician. But this year, you were amongst the first to endorse a candidate with some very conservative views on issues like immigration. Why?"
Chris Christie: "I've endorsed Donald Trump, and I support him today with such enthusiasm, precisely because he's not extreme. He's a smart man, a man who understands the problems so many Americans have today. We're being ripped off by the entire world, and it's hurting our workers. Donald Trump is a very succeessful businessman, a man with great ideas. He's the only one who can fix it, and Make America Great Again."
Tammy Baldwin: "Saying Donald Trump is not extreme would be inaccurate, and accurate, at the same time. You want to know why? It's because he doesn't have an ideology, he doesn't have a plan. He keeps erratically changing his position without any coherence. This is a man who said that he's pro-choice, then that women should be punished for getting an abortion...."
Chris Christie: "There you go, you're repeating talking points again... This is just false, Donald Trump never said that. A Trump-Christie administration would never punish women..."
Tammy Baldwin: "But he did, in a CNN townhall. I'm not the one repeating talking points, Mr. Make America Great Again. Donald Trump attacked Mexican immigrants and called them rapists, he attacked Senator John McCain and said he's not a war hero because he was captured. For years, he doubted the fact that President Obama's an American just because he's African American. He took days to disavow the endorsement of David Duke, former Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan."
Chris Christie: "Look... These are just the personal attacks used by the Obama camapign, these are the only things they have because they can't explain the failure of this administration..."
Tammy Baldwin: "But why did Donald Trump said all that? You're avoiding the question. Why did he say that women should be punished, that Mexicans are rapists, that John McCain is not a war hero? Can you defend that?"*Slow, tragic airhorn in a Super Deluxe video*



Generally, the Vice Presidential debate was considered very contentious. While many pundits agreed that Chris Christie appeared like a brash bully and could not properly answer questions about Donald Trump's controversies, they also said that Senator Baldwin was clearly struggling with Christie's aggressive attacks, especially on the Hezbollah issue. This lead to polls showing many watchers undecided about the victor in the debate.

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Tammy Baldwin- 38%
Chris Christie- 35%
Unsure- 27%
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« Reply #218 on: January 16, 2018, 12:05:24 am »

Love this TL so much
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« Reply #219 on: January 19, 2018, 09:40:14 am »
« Edited: January 19, 2018, 01:01:18 pm by Parrotguy »

October 7th, 2016

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« Reply #220 on: January 19, 2018, 10:41:52 am »

There she is
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« Reply #221 on: January 19, 2018, 09:13:29 pm »

this'll be fun.
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« Reply #222 on: January 20, 2018, 06:10:27 am »

October 8th, 2016

Leaked Access Hollywood tapes cause tsunami of bipartisan condemnations; Trump campaign in crisis mode

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NEW YORK CITY - Following a bombshell leak to the Washington Post of a 2005 tape recorded in an "Access Hollywood Bus", the Trump campaign is scrambling to find its footing. In the tape, Trump is recorded having a conversation with host Billy Bush, in which he said extremely lewed comments about women while being married to current wife, Melannia Trump. Among other things, Trump admitted to making moves on a woman while "she was married", and bragged about sexually assaulting women, claiming that "when you're a star, they let you do that. You can do anything. Grab 'em by the pu**y".

The leak caused in uproar in the political world. Demoratic and independent politicians, of course, attacked Trump immediatel. President Barack Obama, the Democratic nominee, was the first major political figure to respond, issuing a statement where he called the comments "disgusting" and "completely disqualifying for any man who wishes to be President". Former contender for the party's nomination, Hillary Clinton, launched a seething Tweeter attack on the "horrific" comments, calling Trump "utterly unfit of any man who wishes to represent the American people, about a half of which are women". Vice President Joe Biden said that the comments made him "sick in the stomach" and that he "couldn't imagine such a man becoming a President today". One of the more noteable comments came from Obama's running mate, Senator Tammy Baldwin (D-WI), who stated that "one does not need to be a woman, or a father, , or a husband, or a brother, or a son, to understand why Donald Trump's words are sickening, disrespectful and a perfect symbol of what is still rotten in our society's treatment of women. This man cannot become President."

Meanwhile, Independent Conservative Jon Huntsman launched a fiery attack on Trump, saying that "the comments we've heared disgust me beyond words. As a father, a husband and a son, I feel sick imagining someone like Trump talking in that manner about the women I love so much. These are the words of an immoral man we cannot elect as President." Running mate James Stavridis agreed with Huntsman's sentiment, saying that "I felt boiling anger just listening to these comments. Trump can never be our President."

But backlash for the comments came from fellow Republicans too. Anti-Trump Republicans responded harshly, with former nominee Mitt Romney "hitting on married women and condoning assault shows an utter lack of a moral compass and corrupts our face to the world", Senator John McCain attacked Trump for his "deranged and disqualifying comments", Ohio Governor John Kasich called Trump's words "indefensible and sickening", and former Florida Governor Jeb Bush called them "reprehensible", stating that he will "not vote for Donald Trump in November".

The party itself entered damage-control mode, with Republican operatives treating the comments as the possible end of the Trump campaign and scrambling to try and save their downballot seats. RNC Chairman Reince Priebus said that "No woman should ever be described in these terms or talked about in this manner. Ever." and announced that the national party will henceforth "suspend all support of Trump's campaign". House Speaker Paul Ryan shockingly rescinded his endorsement of Trump, stating that "I can no longer support, endorse or defend a Presidential campaign by a man who dares speaking about women in such terms. I urge House candidates to use their own judgement and do what's best for them." He also disinvited Trump from a campaign rally. Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, while not explicitly disendorsing Trump, said that he can "no longer defend a man who can utter such comments".

Other Republican figures who announced that they no longer support Trump include Senators Kelly Ayotte, Jeff Flake, Bob Corker, Lisa Murkowski, Dan Sullivan, Deb Fischer, Roy Blunt, John Boozman, Cory Gardener, Marco Rubio, Johnny Isakson, Mike Crapo, Mark Kirk, Joni Ernst, Jerry Moran, Rand Paul, Bill Cassidy, Dean Heller, Rob Portman, Pat Toomey, Tim Scott, Shelley Moore Capito, Lamar Alexander and Mike Lee, Governors Bill Haslam, Doug Ducey, Bruce Rauner, Rick Snyder, Brian Sandoval, Susana Martinez and Dennis Daugaard, Congressmen Joe Heck, Mia Love, Ann Wagner, Martha Roby, Bradley Byrne, Jason Chaffetz and others.

Quick polls conducted following the leak show a grim picture for Republicans, and good news for both Obama and Huntsman.

Barack Obama vs Donald Trump (General)
Barack Obama- 53%
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Donald Trump- 39%
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Undecided- 8% 
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OBAMA +14

Barack Obama vs Donald Trump vs Jon Huntsman vs Gary Johnson vs Jill Stein (General)
Barack Obama- 46%
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Donald Trump- 31%
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Jon Huntsman- 14%
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Gary Johnson- 3%
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Jill Stein- 0%
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Other/Undecided- 6%
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OBAMA +15

Amongst calls for him to drop out and let Governor Chris Christie (who remained mum) replace him on the ticket, Donald Trump was defiant:

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« Reply #223 on: January 20, 2018, 12:26:13 pm »

That was such a bad day.
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« Reply #224 on: January 20, 2018, 01:09:34 pm »

My prediction is that Huntsman puts the election to the House.
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