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« Reply #250 on: March 20, 2018, 03:31:48 pm »

November 1st, 2016

Adult movie star Stormy Daniels: 'I had an affair with Donald Trump'



NEW YORK CITY - In yet another bizarre turn of events in a unique election season, former adult movie star Stormy Daniels has revealed yesterday night that she, allededly had an affair with Republican nominee Donald Trump in the early 2000s. The reason for the sudden revelation? She signed an indisclousure agreement with Trump and his legal team, and they neglected to pay her the money in time.

The Trump campaign has firmly denied the allegations, with the candidate himself calling it a "COMPLETE LIE" in a recent tweet. Campaign Manager Kellyanne Conway said in a recent interview that the Daniels story was "just another lie, another attempt by a panicking establishment to disparage and discredit someone who's going to bring real change." Chief Campaign Strategist Steve Bannon went even further, calling it "a plot to undermine the victorious Trump campaign by the establishment and deep-state."

President Obama, the Democratic nominee, and Fmr. Ambassador Huntsman, the Independent Conservative candidate, have both refused to address the story, but supporters of both have not been so silent: Rep. Adam Schiffe (D-CA) called the Daniels story "another proof of the utterly terrible moral character of the Republican nominee", while Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) said that he's "sorry for Ms. Trump" and that the story "reflects very poorly on Trump."

With mess than a week to go until election day, the story isn't expected to harm Donald Trump too much, however, it certainly fouls a fairly good news week for him, in which the Clinton Email scandal got back in the headlines and indirectly harmed the Democratic Party's campaign.

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Barack Obama- 46%  (+-0)
Donald Trump- 30%  (-1)
Jon Huntsman- 20%  (+1)
Gary Johnson- 1%  (+-0)
Jill Stein- 0%  (+-0)
Other/Undecided- 3%  (+-0)
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« Reply #251 on: March 20, 2018, 03:55:11 pm »

Wow, what a final few days. I hope Obama gets another term and Trump totally collapses. I'd be funny if Huntsman gets more votes than Trump in the end and finishes second. In any case, the Donald would blame Huntsman for taking away votes from him and claim he would have beaten Obama handily in a head-to-head matchup.
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« Reply #252 on: March 23, 2018, 09:34:39 am »
« Edited: March 23, 2018, 11:31:53 am by Parrotguy »

November 6th, 2016

Final days before election: Trump rushed offstage in Nevada, Murkowski and Huntsman sweep through Alaska, Biden embarks on Midwestern trip, Comey closes Clinton case



ANCHORAGE - The final few days of the 2016 general election campaign were extremely eventful, a fitting end to an exciting and tumultous campaign season. All three candidates continued a spree of campaign events and rallies to try and fire up their voters and convince a few more undecided ones.

Republican Donald Trump, whose campaign suffered blow after blow in October and who seems very unlikely to win the election, continued holding large rallies with enthusiastic crowds everywhere he went. He paid heavy attention to the midwest and rustbelt, where he visited Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, Iowa, Ohio, Indiana and Missouri in the span of three days, while also holding rallies in several other competitive states such as Arizona, Nevada, New Hampshire and Florida. One rally that went a bit wrong occured yesterday in Reno, Nevada- shouts of “he’s got a gun” prompted panic in the rally crowd and forced several secret service agents to rush the Republican nominee offstage, sparking further chaos. Three people were lightly injured by trampling. The man in question, who was wrestled down by several Trump supporters, did not in fact have a gun. Trump later thanked the secret service and used the occassion to promise that he will "MAKE AMERICA SAFE AND GREAT AGAIN".


Mr. Trump being rushed offstage in Reno, Nevada

Meanwhile, independent candidate Jon Huntsman employed a very different strategy. He held several events in Montana, Utah and Idaho, and then, for two days, from November 4th to November 5th, he spent all his time in one state- Alaska. He held more than a dozen rallies and events across the state, mostly with enthusiastic supporter Senator Lisa Murkowski, who's running for reelection against a pro-Trump Libertarian, but also with the state's independent Governor Bill Walker and with a more lukewarm supporter, Senator Dan Sullivan. At the same time, running mate James Stavridis held rallies in Arizona with Senator John McCain and in Colorado with Senator Cory Gardner. This underlines the strategy employed by Huntsman's campaign- he isn't going just for an impressive popular vote showing, but also for actually winning states, unlike Ross Perot's strong 3rd party bids in 1992 and 1996. The top targets are Utah, where Huntsman is considered heavily favoured, and other states where he's considered strong like Alaska, Montana, Arizona, New Hampshire, Idaho, Wyoming and Colorado.


Sen. Murkowski (R-AK) holding a rally with Fmr. Amb. Huntsman in Anchorage, Alaska

President Obama's campaign did not rest despite their strong polling. The President held events and rallies across the nation with surrogates and supporters- there was a clear attempt to expand the map, with more than five rallies in Texas and others in Indiana, Missouri, North Carolina and Arizona, while also paying frequent visite to the more traditional swing states. The President was also clearly trying to aid downballot Democrats, as campaign events in swing districts in California, New York, Pennsylvania, Florida, Maine, Minnesota and other states indicated. And in a surprise move, Vice President Joe Biden was sent on a long, three-day trip in the Midwest, coinciding with Trump's own trip, and held events in Iowa, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin (along with Obama's running mate, Senator Tammy Baldwin), Minnesota, Missouri and Indiana. The Biden trip, which included rallies with downballot candidates and an emotional visit to his birthtown of Scranton, Pennsylvania was considered a success and prompted many to believe that the Vice President should've stayed on the ticket.


Vice President Biden holding giving a speech in St. Louis, MO with Senate canddiate Jason Kander

Finally, today, the Democratic Party received good news, when FBI Director James Comey announced that the latest probe into newfound Clinton emails didn't discover anything new, and that the case was officially closed. The former Secretary of State said that she was "not surprised", and was even herded by the Obama campaign to a few victorious rallies in Pittsburgh, Miami and St. Louis. The speeches garnered large crowds of Clinton primary supporters who seemingly felt energized to vote by her support for the President. The former Secretary of State sees her formerly dismal approvals beginning to rise, and is currently standing at 41% approval and 53% disapproval.


Hillary Clinton giving a victorious speech in favour of President Obama after her vindication

Indeed, after these exciting few days, one thing is clear- the 2016 election is going to see very high turnout, with so many parts of the voting population feeling energized and enthusiastic to vote- progressives, minorities and liberals for Obama, moderates and independents for Huntsman and, indeed, many conservatives, immigration hawks and white working-class voters for Trump. The only ones who appear without a candidate to represent them are evangelicals and the Christian right, who dislike all three candidates, and are mostly considered likely to hold their noses for Trump.

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« Reply #253 on: March 23, 2018, 10:02:30 am »

Pumped!!!!!!! I've been loving this TL!
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« Reply #254 on: March 23, 2018, 10:13:31 am »

Go Huntsman!
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« Reply #255 on: March 23, 2018, 10:21:30 am »

FOUR MORE YEARS!
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« Reply #256 on: March 23, 2018, 11:12:07 am »

Hoping for a trump upset
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« Reply #257 on: March 23, 2018, 11:48:54 am »

Jeb out of nowhere with a 50 states + DC landslide
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« Reply #258 on: March 23, 2018, 11:49:31 am »

November 7th, 2016

Candidates make last pitch to voters in final rallies; final polls show a potential Democratic storm

WASHINGTON, D.C. - As Americans prepare to head to the polls tomorrow and decide upon the identity of their next President, the candidates and their surrogates held final rallies and events, putting an end to a spirited campaign season. For their last events, all three candidates chose different strategies, similar to how they campaigned.

The Democratic nominee, President Barack Obama, held his last rally in Miami, Florida, underlining his commitment to winning diverse states and boosting minority turnout, but also winning important swingstates. He held the rally with First Lady Michelle Obama and daughters Malia and Sasha, Vice President Joe Biden and Second Lady Jill Biden, his running mate, Senator Tammy Baldwin, and other supporters like former Secretary Hillary Clinton, Senator Bernie Sanders, Senate candidate Gwen Graham, former Governor Howard Dean and former Vice President Al Gore. It was a huge rally of more than 10,000 attendees, all coming to see the many high-profile people giving speeches in support of the President.

Meanwhile, Republican Donald Trump held his last rally in Grand Rapids, Michigan, a state we have recently moved to the "safe Democratic" column. It underscored his wish to stage an upset in midwestern states, with the aid of disaffected white working class voters. He was joined in the rally by wife Melania Trump, daughter Ivanka Trump, running mate Chris Christie, former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani and Alabama Senator Jeff Sessions. The rally was also considered a success, garnering a large, enthusiastic crowd.

Lastly, independent Jon Huntsman came back home and held his last event in Salt Lake City, Utah. He called for a "rebellion agains the two-party system" on election day and asked Utah voters to make history and support him against "two bad choices". The rally was also attended by a large crowd of thousands, showing the lasting strength of the Huntsman campaign, and joining the candidate were running mate James Stavridis, former Secretary Colin Powell, Utah Governor Gary Herbert, former Republican nominee Mitt Romney, Nevada Governor Brian Sandoval and former Massachusetts Governor Bill Weld, who was rumoured to join Gary Johnson on the flailing Libertarian ticket before declining due to rumours of Huntsman launching his campaign.


The Obamas and Bidens waving to the crowd in their final campaign rally


Donald Trump lighting the crowds in his last campaign rally


Jon Huntsman greets an enthusiastic crowd in his final Salt Lake City event

Meanwhile, finals polls have come in, showing encouraging numbers for Democrats, who enjoy high levels of energy and vote splitting amongst Republicans. With many swing states expected to go Democratic by strong margins, they're aiming to strongly expand the electoral map, noteably with states like North Carolina, Arizona, Georgia and even Texas. Meanwhile, Trump is struggling to hold many strongly-Republican states where Huntsman is performing well, such as Utah, Alaska, Idaho, Montana, Wyoming, Nebraska and perhaps even Kansas and the Dakotas. Trump, meanwhile, is hoping for an upset, with campaign manager Kellyanne Conway claiming that the Republican nominee will be carried by a wave of "forgotten people who never voted from states where Obama's policies destroyed factories and industries." It remains to be seen whether that materializes.



Barack Obama vs Donald Trump vs Jon Huntsman vs Gary Johnson vs Jill Stein (General)
Barack Obama- 47%  (+1)
Donald Trump- 31%  (+1)
Jon Huntsman- 19%  (-1)
Gary Johnson- 1%  (+-0)
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Other/Undecided- 2%  (-1)
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« Reply #259 on: March 23, 2018, 12:04:03 pm »

I'm going to go ahead and predict Biden's going to be Secretary of State or some other Cabinet post if Obama wins.
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« Reply #260 on: March 23, 2018, 12:11:37 pm »

November 8th, 2016

ELECTION DAY IS HERE: American voters, candidates head to the polls



WASHINGTON, D.C. - The day is finally here. After a wild campaign season, American voters are heading to the polls. People from across America and the world watch breathlessly, anticipating the results of an amazing process in which hundreds of millions of people will choose the leader of the free world, as well as a large swathe of other democratic office-holders. The 2016 election is expected to have high turnout, and whatever the result, it'll be historic.

Barack Obama, the first African-American President, is running for a historic third term. After a hard campaign against primary challengers like Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton, and a tough general election campaign, he now hopes to become the first President since Franklin Delano Roosevelt to win a third term in office. Two men are hoping to deny it from him- Republican Donald Trump, if elected, will be the first man to jump straight from being a businessman to the Highest Office in the Land. Not only that, but if he wins, it'd be a huge polling upset unlike any we have ever seen. And lastly, Jon Huntsman, a moderate Republican promising bipartisanship and real accomplishment if elected, is running what appears to be the most successful third party bid since Ross Perot in 1992, and, potentially, George Wallace in 1968 or even Theodore Roosevelt in 1932. If somehow shockingly elected, perhaps if he sent the election to the House of Representatives and won the vote there, Huntsman's victory would be truly historical in the biggest sense of the word.

Which of these outcomes will be the one we see tonight? Well, that is up to the citizens of the United States of America.


President Obama casting his early vote in Chicago, back in October


Donald and Melania Trump casting their election day votes in New York City


Jon Huntsman arriving at his polling station in Salt Lake City, Utah


Americans casting their votes in Miami, Florida
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« Reply #261 on: March 23, 2018, 02:28:13 pm »

I’m expecting and hoping for an Obama landslide almost like 1912. Obama gets 434 electoral votes. Trump gets 88. Huntsman gets 16. Although Texas probably won’t go Dem yet.
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« Reply #262 on: March 23, 2018, 02:40:10 pm »

Ugh, it's been so long since I saw one of those Miami Dade elections booths. I havent voted in person since August 2016..
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« Reply #263 on: March 23, 2018, 10:28:20 pm »

HUNTSMAN HUNSTMAN HUNTSMAN!
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« Reply #264 on: March 24, 2018, 04:09:08 am »
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ELECTION NIGHT, Part I


Wolf Blitzer: Hello, and welcome to CNN's coverage of Election Night 2016. Tonight, after a long, exciting, and some would say exhausting election season, we're finally going to discover who the American people will elect as their next President- will incumbent President Barack Obama, the Democratic Party's nominee, be reelected to a historic third term? Will Republican nominee, businessman Donald Trump, stage an astounding upset and become the 45th President of the United States? Or will indepednent Jon Huntsman achieve an amazing result no one expects and manage to become the first President elected on an independent ticket since George Washington? We shall see all that and more, including control of the U.S. Senate, the House and several Governorships, tonight!

Anderson Cooper: Yes, and right now, as the 6 P.M. hour arrives, we already have poll closings in large parts of two states- Indiana and Kentucky. In both states, we cannot call the race- we classify Indiana as too close to call right now, while Kentucky is too early to call. In both we can see an early lead for Mr. Trump, though it's a narrow lead in the former, and an exceedingly wide one in the latter.

Indiana Presidential Election (1% Reporting)- TOO CLOSE TO CALL
Donald Trump (R)- 40.3%
Barack Obama (D)*- 38.6%
Jon Huntsman (I)- 20.2%

Kentucky Presidential Election (1% Reporting)- TOO EARLY TO CALL
Donald Trump (R)- 52.7%
Barack Obama (D)*- 31.9%
Jon Huntsman (I)- 14.5%

John King: And let's also take a look at our electoral map, that we will get back to many times tonight. As you can see, both states are right now coloured green- that will be the colour we use for states we cannot yet project. Red will be used for states we call for the Democratic nominee, blue for the Republican nominee, and orange for the independent Huntsman\Stavridis ticket.

United States 2016 Presidential Election Map


Dana Bash: And we also have some early results from the downballot races. There are several very interesting races going on in these two states- in Kentucky, Republican Senator Rand Paul is running for reelection against Democratic Mayor of Lexington Jim Gray, while in Indiana, we have both a Senate race and a race for the Governor's mansion. For the Senate, Republican Congressman Todd Young is running against Democratic former Senator and Governor Evan Bayh, a star recruit, while Republican Governor Mike Pence is in a hard reelection bid against the Democrat, young South Bend Mayor Pete Buttigieg, who recently rose to national prominence as, potentially, the first openly gay Governor of Indiana, battling a Governor with an alleged history of homophobic comments. All three races are right now too close to call.

Indiana Senate Race (3% Reporting)- TOO CLOSE TO CALL
U.S. Rep. Todd Young (R)- 49.6%
Fmr. Senator Evan Bayh (D)- 49.1%

Indiana Gubernatorial Race (3% Reporting)- TOO CLOSE TO CALL
Governor Mike Pence (R)*- 50.3%
Mayor Pete Buttigieg (D)- 49.2%

Kentucky Senate Race (2% Reporting)- TOO CLOSE TO CALL
Senator Rand Paul (R)*- 54.1%
Mayor Jim Gray (D)- 45.5%
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« Reply #265 on: March 24, 2018, 06:18:45 am »

ELECTION NIGHT, Part II


Blitzer: Stand by, we can now make our very first call of the night. The state of Kentucky will go for Republican nominee Donald Trump. An especially early call, considering Huntsman's presence, no?

Jake Tapper: Yes, definitely. With such a strong third party, we're expecting much of the map to be green tonight for a long time, but it seems like Donald Trump is very strong in Kentucky. We can already say that he will, almost certainly, win way over 55% here, maybe even close to 60%. So is it a sign of a Trump upset? We can't really tell. He seems very strong with the white, working-class Applachian electorage, but it's not really happening in another similar state, Indiana- here, Trump is still neck-in-neck with President Obama, with Huntsman probably taking a large amount of moderate Republican voters.

Indiana Presidential Election (12% Reporting)- TOO CLOSE TO CALL
Donald Trump (R)- 39.5%
Barack Obama (D)*- 38.9%
Jon Huntsman (I)- 21.0%

Kentucky Presidential Election (13% Reporting)- REPUBLICAN WIN
Donald Trump (R)- 57.8% ✓
Barack Obama (D)*- 29.4%
Jon Huntsman (I)- 12.3%

Cooper: Hold on, we've arrived at another crucial hour tonight. It's 7 P.M., which means that we have poll closings in several states, as well as the rest of Indiana and Kentucky. We can call our first state for President Obama- the Democratic nominee has won the state of Vermont. Everything else, we cannot yet project. Florida, Georgia, New Hampshire and South Carolina are all too close to call right now. Virginia, we're classifying as too early to call. Indiana is still too close, as well.

Blitzer: Stand by, we can now make our very first call of the night. The state of Kentucky will go for Republican nominee Donald Trump. An especially early call, considering Huntsman's presence, no?

Jake Tapper: Yes, definitely. With such a strong third party, we're expecting much of the map to be green tonight for a long time, but it seems like Donald Trump is very strong in Kentucky. We can already say that he will, almost certainly, win way over 55% here, maybe even close to 60%. So is it a sign of a Trump upset? We can't really tell. He seems very strong with the white, working-class Applachian electorage, but it's not really happening in another similar state, Indiana- here, Trump is still neck-in-neck with President Obama, with Huntsman probably taking a large amount of moderate Republican voters.

United States 2016 Presidential Election Map


Florida Presidential Election (1% Reporting)- TOO CLOSE TO CALL
Barack Obama (D)*- 41.5%
Donald Trump (R)- 33.1%
Jon Huntsman (I)- 24.6%

Georgia Presidential Election (1% Reporting)- TOO CLOSE TO CALL
Donald Trump (R)- 35.8%
Barack Obama (D)*- 34.7%
Jon Huntsman (I)- 28.4%

Indiana Presidential Election (17% Reporting)- TOO CLOSE TO CALL
Barack Obama (D)*- 40.3%
Donald Trump (R)- 37.2%
Jon Huntsman (I)- 21.9%

Kentucky Presidential Election (18% Reporting)- REPUBLICAN WIN
Donald Trump (R)- 60.4% ✓
Barack Obama (D)*- 27.8%
Jon Huntsman (I)- 10.9%

New Hampshire Presidential Election (1% Reporting)- TOO CLOSE TO CALL
Barack Obama (D)*- 38.5%
Jon Huntsman (I)- 31.1%
Donald Trump (R)- 29.9%

South Carolina Presidential Election (1% Reporting)- TOO CLOSE TO CALL
Barack Obama (D)*- 40.8%
Donald Trump (R)- 29.6%
Jon Huntsman (I)- 28.7%

Vermont Presidential Election (1% Reporting)- DEMOCRATIC WIN
Barack Obama (D)*- 63.3% ✓
Jon Huntsman (I)- 22.4%
Donald Trump (R)- 13.7%

Virginia Presidential Election (1% Reporting)- TOO CLOSE TO CALL
Barack Obama (D)*- 37.1%
Donald Trump (R)- 36.7%
Jon Huntsman (I)- 25.5%

Tapper: So, what do these results mean? Is Huntsman overperforming, could we see an Obama landslide tonight, or is it Trump who's headed for an upset? Dana?

Bash: It's very hard to say so early on. What we've seen in many of these states was expected- mostly Democratic areas are reporting in Florida and South Carolina right now, same for New Hampshire. Still, you're seeing Huntsman actually second there- it's clear he'll be formidable. In Indiana, we've seen some Democratic cities beginning to report, which is why we're seeing an Obama bump. But there's one state which is telling. Virginia. You know, Virginia has an early reporting bias in favour of Republicans, so Barack Obama's narrow lead there right now could very well indicate a very bad night for Republicans.

King: Right. And in the downballot department, we can call only a few races- Democratic incumbent Patrick Leahy will win reelection in Vermont over Republican challenger Scott Milne, while Republican incumbent Tim Scott will win reelection in South Carolina. In Florida, the Senate race between Democrat Gwen Graham and incumbent Republican Marco Rubio is too close to call, same for New Hampshire, where both the open Gubernatorial race between Democrat Colin Van Ostern and Republican Chris Sununu and the Senate race between Republican Senator Kelly Ayotte and Democratic Governor Maggie Hassan are too close. Finally, in Georgia, the Senate race between incumbent Republican Johnny Isakson and the Democrat, Jason Carter, grandson of the former President, it's too close to call. The three races in Kentucky and Indiana are all still too close to call.

Florida Senate Race (2% Reporting)- TOO CLOSE TO CALL
U.S. Rep. Gwen Graham (D)- 51.2%
Senator Marco Rubio (R)*- 48.4%

Georgia Senate Race (2% Reporting)- TOO CLOSE TO CALL
Senator Johnny Isakson (R)*- 51.7%
Fmr. State Sen. Jason Carter (D)- 47.9%

Indiana Senate Race (19% Reporting)- TOO CLOSE TO CALL
Fmr. Senator Evan Bayh (D)- 51.4%
U.S. Rep. Todd Young (R)- 47.9%

Indiana Gubernatorial Race (19% Reporting)- TOO CLOSE TO CALL
Mayor Pete Buttigieg (D)- 50.6%
Governor Mike Pence (R)*- 49.0%

Kentucky Senate Race (20% Reporting)- TOO CLOSE TO CALL
Senator Rand Paul (R)*- 55.3%
Mayor Jim Gray (D)- 44.2%

New Hampshire Senate Race (2% Reporting)- TOO CLOSE TO CALL
Governor Maggie Hassan (D)- 50.4%
Senator Kelly Ayotte (R)*- 48.9%

New Hampshire Gubernatorial Race (2% Reporting)- TOO CLOSE TO CALL
Exec. Councilor Colin Van Ostern (D)- 49.8%
Exec. Councilor Chris Sununu (R)- 49.6%

South Carolina Senate Race (2% Reporting)- REPUBLICAN WIN
Tim Scott (R)*- 57.5% ✓
Thomas Dixon (D)- 41.3%

Vermont Senate Race (3% Reporting)- DEMOCRATIC WIN
Patrick Leahy (D)*- 67.4% ✓
Scott Milne (R)- 31.7%


Note: Just like in my second timeline, when you see a state being projected, it usually appears for the last time in the results (except if you ask me for concrete results in states), so consider the projected results, even if it's just 1%, very close to the final result, for the sake of simplicity. So, say, Trump will indeed win slightly above 60% in Kentucky, same for Obama in Vermont, in which Huntsman will indeed come second by a substantial margin over Trump.
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« Reply #266 on: March 24, 2018, 10:03:28 am »

I’m not super familiar with this timeline, so forgive me if this has been explained, but what causes Obama’s to be a weaker nominee than Hillary in real life, and Huntsman to conversely be so strong?
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« Reply #267 on: March 24, 2018, 10:18:45 am »

I’m not super familiar with this timeline, so forgive me if this has been explained, but what causes Obama’s to be a weaker nominee than Hillary in real life, and Huntsman to conversely be so strong?

Obama is definitely not a weaker nominee than Clinton- the gap is much larger between him and Trump than between Clinton and Trump before election day, though, of course, polling is fickle and the election was still not decided Tongue
As for Huntsman's strength- various factors piling atop each other. First, he's a much higher-profile candidate than McMullin and announced earlier. Second, Obama's strength over Hillary is exactly what contributed to this strong third party- he has much, much less baggage and conservatives aren't really terrified of him winning considering he's the status quo. These factors helped many of them go over to Huntsman, especially when the Access Hollywood tape was released (also remember that Hillary had the Bill problem, which Obama didn't have, making the tape more damaging for Trump). This in turn lead Huntsman to edge over 15% in the polls before the third debate, and the huge exposure helped solidify his support considerably. He basically holds a coalition of independents, centrists, moderate libertarians, moderate and blue-dog Democrats, moderate Republicans, "principled #NeverTrump" conservatives, neocons and even some hardline, Cruz-like conservatives who hate Trump. He's also winning the Mormon vote by a huge margin nation-wide.
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« Reply #268 on: March 24, 2018, 11:19:45 am »

By “weaker”, I mean the fact that he’s at 30-something percent in Virginia—Huntsman is apparently able to draw votes from the Democrats.
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« Reply #269 on: March 24, 2018, 02:12:27 pm »

By “weaker”, I mean the fact that he’s at 30-something percent in Virginia—Huntsman is apparently able to draw votes from the Democrats.

Oh, he is able to draw some, but remember the Virginia results are right now coming from Republican areas, so it's not the final result.
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« Reply #270 on: March 24, 2018, 03:32:55 pm »

Love this... Looking forward to seeing who wins!
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« Reply #271 on: March 28, 2018, 04:53:28 am »

ELECTION NIGHT, Part III


Cooper: Hello, and welcome back to CNN's coverage of the 2016 election night. Right now, we're at the 7:30 P.M. hour, which means that we have poll closings in a few more states. The polls have closed in North Carolina, Ohio and West Virginia, but right now, North Carolina and Ohio are both too close to call while West Virginia... too early to call? Right, Wolf?

Blitzer: Well, yes, right now we're classifying West Virginia as too early out of caution. But let me tell you, we're very tempted to call this state right now for Republican Donald Trump. Exit polling and early returns are showing very, very strong numbers for him there. Could this be indicative of a larger trend? Let's go to Jim Acosta, reporting from the Trump campaign HQ. He's with Trump campaign manager Kellyanne Conway right now. Jim?

Acosta: Well, emotions here are certainly running high. There's definitely enthusiasm, but also some tension. People here aren't very optimistic. They cheered when Kentucky was called, but they're looking at the numbers in swing states, in states like Indiana and South Carolina, and they're afraid that this might not be the upset they're hoping for. Kellyanne, are you feeling confident tonight?

Conway: Well, yes, certainly, Jim. People accross the country are enthusiastic for our movement, you can feel the energy everywhere Donald Trump goes. You don't feel the same energy for Jon Huntsman or for President Obama. This is why we're going to...

Cooper: Hold on, Kellyanne, we have a projection that will probably make you pretty happy- we're calling West Virginia for Donald Trump right now. The Republican nominee has won his second state of the night. Currently it's 13 delegates for Trump, 3 for Obama.

Conway: This is great news, and I know we're going to hear many such calls tonight. We're going to win, and we're going to make America great again!

Cooper: Thank you, Kellyanne. As you can see, the Trump campaign remains confident in the possibility of victory tonight. Now, let's take a look at the numbers. We're seeing some early returns in Ohio and North Carolina from Democratic areas, but these numbers are certainly looking strong for Obama. High African American turnout in North Carolina might just make this state, where moderate Republicans seem to be opposing their Governor and Presidential candidate, a solidly Democratic state tonight. Meanwhile, the contests in traditionally Republican states like Georgia and Indiana are looking very close. Not a good look for Trump, despite his crushing wins in West Virginia and Kentucky. And... I've just received news that we've moved Virginia to the "too early" territory rather than "too close"? It's certainly looking strong for Obama there tonight, especially since we've not yet had much results from NoVA, Richmond and other Democratic areas.

United States 2016 Presidential Election Map


Florida Presidential Election (12% Reporting)- TOO CLOSE TO CALL
Barack Obama (D)*- 40.1%
Donald Trump (R)- 36.8%
Jon Huntsman (I)- 22.2%

Georgia Presidential Election (10% Reporting)- TOO CLOSE TO CALL
Barack Obama (D)*- 36.9%
Donald Trump (R)- 36.8%
Jon Huntsman (I)- 25.7%

Indiana Presidential Election (29% Reporting)- TOO CLOSE TO CALL
Barack Obama (D)*- 40.2%
Donald Trump (R)- 39.8%
Jon Huntsman (I)- 19.3%

New Hampshire Presidential Election (7% Reporting)- TOO CLOSE TO CALL
Barack Obama (D)*- 41.1%
Donald Trump (R)- 30.5%
Jon Huntsman (I)- 27.9%

North Carolina Presidential Election (4% Reporting)- TOO CLOSE TO CALL
Barack Obama (D)*- 45.4%
Donald Trump (R)- 28.2%
Jon Huntsman (I)- 25.7%

Ohio Presidential Election (3% Reporting)- TOO CLOSE TO CALL
Barack Obama (D)*- 50.6%
Donald Trump (R)- 25.7%
Jon Huntsman (I)- 23.1%

South Carolina Presidential Election (11% Reporting)- TOO CLOSE TO CALL
Donald Trump (R)- 35.1%
Barack Obama (D)*- 34.3%
Jon Huntsman (I)- 30.0%

Virginia Presidential Election (13% Reporting)- TOO EARLY TO CALL
Barack Obama (D)*- 42.3%
Donald Trump (R)- 31.9%
Jon Huntsman (I)- 25.1%

West Virginia Presidential Election (4% Reporting)- REPUBLICAN WIN
Donald Trump (R)- 63.5% ✓
Barack Obama (D)*- 28.7%
Jon Huntsman (I)- 7.2%
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« Reply #272 on: March 28, 2018, 08:51:10 am »

Go Obama Purple heart
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« Reply #273 on: March 28, 2018, 11:27:02 am »

Something tells me Virginia will be interesting in it's own right.

GO HUNTSMAN!
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« Reply #274 on: March 28, 2018, 03:24:08 pm »


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