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« Reply #150 on: November 18, 2017, 07:59:55 am »

Martin Heinrich would be a good choice out of this list.
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« Reply #151 on: November 18, 2017, 11:33:36 am »
« Edited: November 18, 2017, 02:03:08 pm by Parrotguy »

July 10th, 2016

BREAKING: Jon Huntsman declares independent Presidential bid; calls Trump 'a disaster in the making'



SALT LAKE CITY - For months the rumours have been swirling that a conservative challenger to Donald Trump was going to emerge. Now, it finally did.

Former Governor and Ambassador to China Jon Huntsman (R-UT) announced an independent challenge to Republican nominee Donald Trump and incumbent President Barack Obama in the biggest city of his homestate. Huntsman attacked Trump from both right and left, calling him "not a true conservative" and "a dangerous demagogue." He also called on Republican elected officials to support him, saying that "this is an election about making the moral choice, the right choice" and that he is the only one representing "conservatives who see Trump's protectionism, his disturbing closeness with Russia and his terrible judgement and are frightened."

Speculations already started about Huntsman's running mate- his campaign teased someone with "national prominence", and according to various leaks, some of the options include Colin Powell, Brian Sandoval, Condoleezza Rice, Richard Hanna, Tom Coburn, Ben Sasse and retired Marine Corps General James Mattis. Huntsman, who is already gathering signatures at a fast pace with a prepared infaustracture of activists and donors, is expected to make the choice in the coming days.

The challenge worries many inside the Trump campaign and the RNC, especially as Huntsman has a strong appeal to Mormons, a demographic which, according to the polls, has strong disapproval of the Republican nominee. He also appeals to moderate conservative subarbanites, which might hurt Trump in states like Virginia, Pennsylvania and North Carolina. Polls conduct after Huntsman's entrance show him doing worse than a generic challenger, but still polling pretty high:

Barack Obama vs Donald Trump vs Jon Huntsman vs Gary Johnson vs Jill Stein (General)
Barack Obama- 48%  (+1)
Donald Trump- 32%  (+1)
Jon Huntsman- 9%  (-2)
Gary Johnson- 4%  (+-0)
Jill Stein- 1%  (+-0)
Other/Undecided- 6%  (+-0)
OBAMA +16

This prompted RNC chairman Reince Priebus to call for Huntsman to withdraw and to claim that "Huntsman is doing a great disservice to the Conservative movement". And, of course, the Republican nominee responded as expected:

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« Reply #152 on: November 18, 2017, 12:17:23 pm »
« Edited: November 18, 2017, 01:43:13 pm by Parrotguy »

July 12th, 2016

Trump drops Flynn from ticket after outrage, scrambles to find a new running mate; Obama VP search continues



NEW YORK CITY - the tumultuous, stormy 2016 campaign continues, as the outcry after Trump chose Mike Flynn as his running mate finally took its toll, with the Republican nominee dropping his choice for running mate from the ticket. The Trump campaign released a short statement saying that "Michael Flynn is no longer the running mate for Donald Trump; we will choose another soon."

The campaign refused to respond to questions about the reasons for Flynn's dismissal, but they're quite clear- he became an albatross that Trump couldn't carry. After Flynn was called a "terrible" DIA director and accused for defending Russia, former Utah Governor Jon Huntsman declared an independent Presidential bid and Republican officials pressed Trump to replace Flynn, the Republican nominee badly needed a fresh start for his campaign, and so, succumbed to the pressure.

While the Trump campaign suffers blow after blow and appears to be managed chaotically, the Obama campaign is calmly and quietly working on vetting the various candidates for Vice President. According to sources inside the President's campaign, various figures are out of consideration: Secretary Julián Castro (D-TX), Secretary Tom Vilsack (D-IA), Senator Amy Klobucher (D-MN), Senator Elizabeth Warren (D-MA) and Senator Al Franken (D-MN), who, noteably, appeared to have been "vetted out" after nearly being chosen.

This leaves the Obama veepstakes much narrower than they were- Senator Tim Kaine (D-VA), Senator Kirsten Gillibrand (D-NY), Senator Jeff Merkley (D-OR), Governor John Hickenlooper (D-CO) and Senator Martin Heinrich (D-NM) are the names circulating most shortlists. But in the last days, another name rose to prominence and seems to be strongly considered by the Obama campaign- Senator Tammy Baldwin (D-WI). Let's examine her shortly:


Name: Tammy Suzanne Green Baldwin
Age: 54
Past jobs: Member of the Wisconsin State Assembly from the 78th district (1993-1999), Member of the U.S. House of Representatives from Wisconsin's 2nd district (1999-2013), U.S. Senator from Wisconsin (2013-)
Why is she being considered: Baldwin is a lesbian woman who could excite female and lgbtq voters, especially in light of Trump's weakness with them. She's a progressive who's paltable both to the Sanders wing and to the establishment wing of the Democratic party. She hails from a semi-swing state, and she wouldn't necessarily be replaced by a Republican in the Senate, as Wisconsin laws do not allow an interim appointment by the Governor and call for a special election soon after the vacancy. So on the paper, it's not hard to see why is she being considered. But will Obama take the plunge and choose a candidate who could be potentially dangerous, especially in light of recent chaos around Trump's running mate search?
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« Reply #153 on: November 18, 2017, 01:58:21 pm »
« Edited: November 18, 2017, 02:04:09 pm by Parrotguy »

July 15th, 2016

REPORT: Jim Webb says 'no' to Donald Trump VP offer; won't endorse any candidate



RICHMOND - In an interview with MSNBC, former Senator and Presidential contender Jim Webb (D-VA) shut down speculations that he could be chosen as Donald Trump's running mate, saying that "there is no way I will run on that ticket." Webb continued to affirm that he will "not vote for Donald Trump", and seemed to walk back on previous statements ruling out supporting President Obama by claiming that he's "still weighing his options."

Jim Webb confirmed that he was approached, "various times", by the Trump campaign to join the business mogul's ticket, but that he "turned them down each time." The former Senator seemed to echo, and perhaps confirm, claims previously made by John Kasich that Trump offered his favoured candidates for running mate considerable power by saying that "they basically begged for me to join, and told me that I'll be responsible for most governing duties."

Meanwhile, the rumour mill about the veepstakes in both parties continues- according to various sources, Senator Tim Kaine (D-VA) won't be Barack Obama's running mate, and the incumbent President's campaign is "heavily contemplating" Senators Martin Heinrich (D-NM), Tammy Baldwin (D-WI) and Kirsten Gillibrand (D-NY), though Governor John Hickenlooper (D-CO) and Senator Jeff Merkley (D-OR) are still options.

Donald Trump, at the same time, is reportedly "deeply frustrated" with his VP struggles, after many prominent Republicans refused to run on the same ticket with him, the Flynn choice backfired, and now Jim Webb, a possible wildcard choice Trump had, said "no" as well. There are now claims from credible sources that Trump is zeroing in on Governor Chris Christie (R-NJ), former Senator Scott Brown (R-MA) and Governor Mary Fallin (R-OK).

As his troubles continue, polls are showing that Trump continues polling very badly, and that Jon Huntsman, the independent conservative candidate, is gaining ground:

Barack Obama vs Donald Trump (General)
Barack Obama- 51%  (+2)
Donald Trump- 40%  (-1)
Other/Undecided- 9%  (-1)
OBAMA +11

Barack Obama vs Donald Trump vs Jon Huntsman vs Gary Johnson vs Jill Stein (General)
Barack Obama- 47%  (-1)
Donald Trump- 31%  (-1)
Jon Huntsman- 11%  (+2)
Gary Johnson- 4%  (+-0)
Jill Stein- 0%  (-1)
Other/Undecided- 7%  (+1)
OBAMA +16
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« Reply #154 on: November 18, 2017, 04:43:03 pm »

If nothing else I'm just glad Jill Stein got exposed for her Russian ties before the election rather than after it ITTL
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« Reply #155 on: November 19, 2017, 05:49:21 am »

July 17th, 2016

BREAKING: Donald Trump announces Christie 'final choice' for running mate



TRENTON - After the failed Flynn nomination and all the other hardships he had finding a running mate, business mogul and 2016 Republican nominee Donald Trump has finally made his choice. In what seems like a "last option plan", as a source within the RNC called it, Trump announced Governor and former primary rival Chris Christie (R-NJ) as his candidate for Vice President.

In a rally in Trenton, New Jersey where he presented his pick, Trump lauded Christie as "a reformer with experience who knows how to get change through despite opposition from the crooked Democrats", and even went so far to promise that the Governor will "help win this state, and many other states in the northeast tired of the Democrats' failed policies." Christie, in an upbeat speech, praised Trump as "the change we need" and said that he was "proud" to stand behind the Republican nominee.

While Christie has rich experience and was once considered a very popular Governor and strong contender for the Presidency, his popularity sharply declined after the famous Bridgegate scandal, where he allegedly closed a busy bridge for personal reasons of revenge. After this scandal and continuous troubles with the Democratic New Jersey state legislature, as well as his endorsement of Donald Trump, Christie became one of the least popular Governors in the country, with approval ratings below 30%. Thus, no one in the RNC is under the illusion that the choice will give the Republican ticket any chance in New Jersey like Trump claimed, but Chairman Reince Priebus still congratulated Trump for the pick, saying that he hopes "this will bring stability and credibility to the campaign and let us finally send our message to voters." But already, Trump's opponents are jumping on the scandal:



With the Vice Presidential choice made, the Trump campaign is hastily preparing for the Republican National Convention in Cleveland that will start tomorrow. Many prominent Republicans refused to speak at the convention- including former Presidents George H.W. Bush and George W. Bush, 2012 and 2008 nominees Mitt Romney and John McCain, and the state's Republican Governor, John Kasich. Still, the Trump campaign is hoping that the RNC will be the start of a turnaround. Already, House Speaker Paul Ryan made a tacit endorsement of Trump, saying that he "will support the Republican nominee", and will speak at the convention. This is the status of the polls after the Christie choice and before the RNC:

Barack Obama vs Donald Trump (General)
Barack Obama- 51%  (+-0)
Donald Trump- 41%  (+1)
Undecided- 8%  (-1)
OBAMA +10

Barack Obama vs Donald Trump vs Jon Huntsman vs Gary Johnson vs Jill Stein (General)
Barack Obama- 46%  (-1)
Donald Trump- 32%  (+1)
Jon Huntsman- 11%  (+-0)
Gary Johnson- 5%  (+1)
Jill Stein- 0%  (+-0)
Other/Undecided- 6%  (-1)
OBAMA +14
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« Reply #156 on: November 19, 2017, 10:57:01 pm »

Part of me want this election to be decided by the electoral college.
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« Reply #157 on: November 19, 2017, 11:17:25 pm »

Part of me wants this election to be decided by the electoral college.
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« Reply #158 on: November 20, 2017, 02:37:05 am »

Same. The Flynn twist was spectacular.
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« Reply #159 on: November 20, 2017, 03:48:16 pm »

Heinrich or Hickenlooper would be great, especially Heinrich tho. Also wouldn't mind a Huntsman/Kasich ticket.
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« Reply #160 on: November 24, 2017, 08:40:22 am »

July 18th - July 21st, 2016

The Republican National Convention: Amidst controversy, Trump attempts to unite the Republican Party



CLEVELAND - The 2016 Republican National Convention in Cleveland, Ohio was controversial and bombastic, just like the party's nominee for President. Both Donald Trump and party leaders came to the Forest City with the intention of uniting the party around its nominee and consolidating Republican key voters- conservatives, moderates, and, a new addition by Trump, white working class voters.

But where there is Trump, there is controversy. The problems begun for the RNC even before July 18th, as prominent Republicans, including all living former Presidents and Presidential nominees other than Bob Dole, as well as Ohio Governor John Kasich, refused to come to the convention or endorse the Republican nominee. The controversy continued outside of the convention, where numerous protests and counter-protests were held, forcing the police to intervent, and inside it, where gaffes and embarrassments were widely reported by the media. Let's examine the convention more closely, night-by-night, and skim over the major events:

Day 1- Terrorism & Plagiarism



The first day of the RNC, dubbed Make America Safe Again, was supposed to focus on terrorism, national security and crime. And indeed, many of the speakers were meant exactly for that, with veterans, families of terror victims and, controversially, families of crime specificalyl commited by illegal immigrants. But with many prominent Republican congressmen with national security experience, like Senators John McCain (R-AZ) and Lindsey Graham (R-SC) refusing to attend, some felt that the speeches were lackluster. The speeches by non-politicians were considered generally unpolished, and a speech by former Mayor of NYC Rudy Giuliani was criticized as bizarre and feverish.

A speech by Senator Tom Cotton (R-AR) did seem to excite the crowd and deliver a strong message (increasing speculation of a Tom Cotton 2020 Presidential bid), but the real highlight of the night came when the nominee's wife, Melania Trump came to speak. Her speech seemed, at first, powerful and she delivered it well, but it did not take long for the media to pick up on an eery similarity between her speech and that of First Lady Michelle Obama in the 2012 DNC. And indeed, the speeches were nearly identical, prompting accusations of plagiarism and miring the RNC with controversy.

Day 2- Working Class Appeal



In a day dubbed "Make America Work Again", the Republicans tried to appeal to white working class voters, especially in rustbelt and midwest states like Ohio, Iowa and Wisconsin. In the same day, Donald Trump was formally nominated for President and Chris Christie was nominated Vice President.

It was considered the most successful night of the convention, with little controversy and strong speeches from Speaker Paul Ryan, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell and Vice Presidential Nominee Chris Christie that attempted to unite the party. However, even the second night was not without its problems- Christie's speech was criticized as too bombastic and "outright offensive", as Vice President Joe Biden called it, with harsh attacks against President Obama, and Trump was criticized for listing both his children, Tiffany and Donald Jr., as headliner speakers.

Day 3- Protectionists Assemble, and... Vote Your Conscious?



The third day of the RNc started well, with powerful speeches from Governor Scott Walker (R-WI), Governor Rick Scott (R-FL) and others, as well as speeches attacking President Obama for his free trade policy and calling for a protectionist, "America First" midset which seems to resonate with many voters. However, then came Ted Cruz.

The Texas Senator and runner-up in the primaries was expected to endorse Trump in the convention, but instead called for conservatives to "vote your conscious". The call, a barely-veiled repudiation of the Republican nominee, enraged the crowd and Cruz was booed away from the stage. But the damage was done, and the next speeches by Newt Gingrich and Eric Trump didn't reverse it.

Day 4- The Donald



The last day of the RNC was dubbed "Make America One Again", and in it, Republicans hoped to finally unite conservative voters around their nominee. But speeches by controversial figures like Joe Arpaio and Peter Thiel didn't seem to promote unity, even though the speech made by Ivanka Trump was praised as "powerful and unifying".

Donald Trump finally gave his own speech by the end of the night- the last speech in the convention-  where he tried to present himself as an agent of change, the "only man who can fix the country". Of course, it received mixed reviews. President Obama called it "doom and gloom" in a New Hampshire rally. Senator Bernie Sanders called it "arrogant". Secretary Hillary Clinton called it "a wild attack against America". But others praised it as an energizing, charismatic speech, and said that Trump looked comfortable and optimistic about his campaign- Rudy Giuliani even noteably called it "the best convention speech since Reagan's Morning in America."

But despite all the controversy, it seems, Republicans came out of Cleveland more united than before, and Trump saw a bump in his polling numbers, with Independent Conservative Jon Huntsman's numbers significantly decreasing.

Barack Obama vs Donald Trump (General)
Barack Obama- 50%  (-1)
Donald Trump- 43%  (+2)
Undecided- 7%  (-1)
OBAMA +7

Barack Obama vs Donald Trump vs Jon Huntsman vs Gary Johnson vs Jill Stein (General)
Barack Obama- 46%  (+-0)
Donald Trump- 36%  (+4)
Jon Huntsman- 8%  (-3)
Gary Johnson- 5%  (+-0)
Jill Stein- 0%  (+-0)
Other/Undecided- 5%  (-1)
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« Reply #161 on: November 24, 2017, 09:12:23 am »

Question: What kind of Trump audio leak do you plan on having for the October Surprise?  I don't think "Grab 'em by the <Blank>" is going to have quite the same effect with two male nominees, so I'm wondering.

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« Reply #162 on: November 24, 2017, 09:44:12 am »

Question: What kind of Trump audio leak do you plan on having for the October Surprise?  I don't think "Grab 'em by the <Blank>" is going to have quite the same effect with two male nominees, so I'm wondering.



Hm... I see where you're leading. I actually didn't plan to change the original leak, considering the fact that it would still hurt him with women. And I'm not sure if I'm comfortable with contrieving a new leak, as I can't tell for sure what Trump said or didn't say. But we'll see.
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« Reply #163 on: November 24, 2017, 03:10:46 pm »
« Edited: November 25, 2017, 10:20:49 am by libertpaulian »

Question: What kind of Trump audio leak do you plan on having for the October Surprise?  I don't think "Grab 'em by the <Blank>" is going to have quite the same effect with two male nominees, so I'm wondering.



Hm... I see where you're leading. I actually didn't plan to change the original leak, considering the fact that it would still hurt him with women. And I'm not sure if I'm comfortable with contrieving a new leak, as I can't tell for sure what Trump said or didn't say. But we'll see.
Maybe Access Hollywood can be one leak among many?
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« Reply #164 on: November 25, 2017, 12:29:45 pm »
« Edited: December 08, 2017, 06:58:02 am by Parrotguy »

July 23rd, 2016

REPORT: After 20,000 DNC emails leak, Chairwoman Wasserman-Schultz resigns; sources claim President Obama "forced her to resignation"



WASHINGTON, D.C. - A mere day after the big dump of leaked DNC emails by Wikileaks, Chairwoman Debbie Wasserman-Schultz announced that she resigns her position "effective immediately". Replacing her as Interim Chair will be Donna Brazile, who escaped controversy in the recent leaks.

The email leaks showed DNC staffers deriding the Bernie Sanders campaign and Schultz herself aggressively attacking Sanders, his campaign staffers and media personalities who covered her negatively. In one email, after Mika Brzezinski accused Schultz of bias against Sanders and called for her resignation, she told NBC Political director Chuck Todd that "such coverage must stop" and that it was the "LAST straw". In another instance, she described Sanders campaign manager Jeff Weaver as "a damn liar".

Following the leaks, the Obama campaign rebuked Schultz and the DNC staffers, calling the treatment of the Sanders campaign "concerning and unnecessary". According to various reports, the President was adamant in distancing himself from the Chairwoman and, when she reportedly refused to resign, the White House mounted increasing pressure on her to staqnd down, until eventually she received "a sharp call" from the President and subsequently resigned. Asked to comment, Senator Bernie Sanders said that he forgives Schultz for these comments, but that it is "good that she resigned", and that "the President handled this well."

But Press Secretary Josh Earnest added in a press conference that the leaks are seen as "a serious breach of the American electoral process and privacy" by Wikileaks, and called Julian Assange "a traitor and servant of hostile nations", implying the long-suspected involvement Wikileaks had with Vladimir Putin's Government. The Russian issue is becoming increasingly important in the campaign, after the Flynn debacle and now the email leak. Democrats and some Republicans criticize Trump for "overly friendly" comments about Putin, and for his calls on Russia to find Secretary Clinton's "30,000 emails that are missing", a request which, as Vice President Biden said in a Nashua, NH rally, "was, after a fashion, answered." The issue also seems to harm Green Party nominee Jill Stein, who has been consistently polling below 1% ever since pictures of her in an RT galla, around a table with Mike Flynn and Vladimir Putin. But meanwhile, following the leaks and the RNC, Donald Trump has a reason to smile:

Barack Obama vs Donald Trump (General)
Barack Obama- 48%  (-2)
Donald Trump- 44%  (+1)
Undecided- 8%  (+1)
OBAMA +4

Barack Obama vs Donald Trump vs Jon Huntsman vs Gary Johnson vs Jill Stein (General)
Barack Obama- 45%  (-1)
Donald Trump- 38%  (+2)
Jon Huntsman- 8%  (+-0)
Gary Johnson- 4%  (-1)
Jill Stein- 0%  (+-0)
Other/Undecided- 5%  (+-0)
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« Reply #165 on: November 25, 2017, 02:50:00 pm »

July 24th, 2016

Obama selects Tammy Baldwin as running mate; calls on Americans "to make history again"



MILWAUKEE - At a big, crowded rally in Wisconsin's largest city, President Barack Obama finally announced his choice for running mate in the 2016 election, following Vice President Biden's decision to not seek a third term. Obama's choice was the state's U.S. Senator, Tammy Baldwin.

Formerly a long-time Representative, and elected to the Senate in 2012, Baldwin does not bring much important experience to the ticket, but she does bring an important thing- excitement. A progressive with both establishment and populist appeal, a woman and a lesbian, the Wisconsin Senator helps bring enthusiasm to large swaths of the Democratic establishment, and hails from from a potential swing state in an area where the Trump campaign is trying to flip states rich with 'white working class' voters.

Baldwin's choice is considered solid, and she gave a rousing speech to the Milwaukee crowd, which, some claim, rivaled even the President's speech in the rally. Vice President Joe Biden, who also attended the rally, called Baldwin "a true voice for progress and equality", Secretary Clinton lauded Obama for making "a bold, historic choice" and Senator Sanders said that he was "satisfied with the choice", adding that "Baldwin is a progressive who supports causes very important for us."

But the Republicans, of course, weren't happy with the choice. Nominee Donald Trump called Baldwin "EXTREME & UNHINGED" in a tweet, Speaker Paul Ryan said that "the President continues in a dangerous direction of, frankly, socialism", and Senator Ted Cruz announced that "Baldwin stands against all the values we believe in", prompting accusation of homophobia and outrage amongst lgbtq groups, including the Cabin Log Republicans who called Cruz's comment "completely distasteful and unacceptable." Trump's new campaign advisor, Kellyanne Conway, claimed that "the President is trying to turn the public's attention from the damning email leaks, but the American people aren't stupid." And indeed, many pundits are speculating that the Baldwin choice was an attempt to diverge attention away from the damaging news about the leaks. With the DNC in Philadelphia just one day away, this was certainly necessary.
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« Reply #166 on: November 26, 2017, 05:51:46 am »

Great updates. Obama/Baldwin would be a very intersting ticket and may be a smart Rust Belt strategy against Tonald Drump.
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« Reply #167 on: November 26, 2017, 12:05:47 pm »

Love it!
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« Reply #168 on: November 26, 2017, 12:20:32 pm »

Love to see a Gary Johnson or Johnny Huntsman rise.
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« Reply #169 on: November 27, 2017, 09:05:05 pm »

I'm for Obama in 2016.
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« Reply #170 on: November 27, 2017, 10:40:51 pm »

This is hella awesome!
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« Reply #171 on: November 27, 2017, 10:43:03 pm »

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« Reply #172 on: November 28, 2017, 12:49:40 am »

Up with O'Baldwin! Cheesy
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« Reply #173 on: November 28, 2017, 08:47:19 am »
« Edited: November 28, 2017, 08:49:28 am by Kingpoleon »

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Interesting. I never knew what Melinda Gates looked like before this TL.

Looks like her foundation still hasn’t found a cure for ugly.
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« Reply #174 on: December 02, 2017, 07:10:50 pm »

Can't wait to see who Huntsman taps as a running-mate.
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