To All: Should Dan Lipinski be Primaried?

[smoltchanov]

I don't really get the "He's a good fit for Democrats in his district" line. If Democrats in his district love him so much, then they won't primary him. If he is successfully primaried, then I guess he wasn't a good fit for his district's Democrats after all, was he?

Also they voted for Clinton and Obama, so a real Democrat should have no trouble in the GE.

People in his district writ large=/=the small but vocal left wing base trying to take him out. Look at his previous primaries-he turned them back handily.

Reread the bolded part of my post. No one is advocating that the "small but vocal left wing base" forcibly remove bigots like Lipinski from office. The people who decide whether he will be primaried are...the Democratic voters in his district. So we don't have to worry about dastardly liberal activists negating the will of the people.

English is a second language for me, but, IIRC, "should" is almost "must". That's why i answered "no". Of course, he can be primaried, and it's up to the people of his district to decide by whom, and whether he is worthy to be renominated. But if a question is "whether Lipinski must be primaried?" - then i repeat my "no". He fits his district well, IMHO, and District, while mostly Democratic, is not of ultraliberal type... Especially on social issues....

[Figueira]

I don't really get the "He's a good fit for Democrats in his district" line. If Democrats in his district love him so much, then they won't primary him. If he is successfully primaried, then I guess he wasn't a good fit for his district's Democrats after all, was he?

Also they voted for Clinton and Obama, so a real Democrat should have no trouble in the GE.

People in his district writ large=/=the small but vocal left wing base trying to take him out. Look at his previous primaries-he turned them back handily.

Reread the bolded part of my post. No one is advocating that the "small but vocal left wing base" forcibly remove bigots like Lipinski from office. The people who decide whether he will be primaried are...the Democratic voters in his district. So we don't have to worry about dastardly liberal activists negating the will of the people.

English is a second language for me, but, IIRC, "should" is almost "must". That's why i answered "no". Of course, he can be primaried, and it's up to the people of his district to decide by whom, and whether he is worthy to be renominated. But if a question is "whether Lipinski must be primaried?" - then i repeat my "no". He fits his district well, IMHO, and District, while mostly Democratic, is not of ultraliberal type... Especially on social issues....

...and now you're ignoring the rest of my post.

If you were a voter in the district, would you vote for Lipinski because "he fits the district"? Of course not, because "the district" is just the sum of all the voters in the district, including you. It's possible that you simply prefer Lipinski over a liberal, so why don't you say so?

When I hear "Should Lipinski be primaried" I think it means "If you were a voter in Lipinski's district, would you vote for a more liberal Democrat over him in the primary?" In my case, I would. But it's ultimately not my decision, like any election that occurs outside of my area.

[Tancred]

No way, Dan Lipinski is great. The Democrats could use more politicians like him.

[America Needs R'hllor]

Yes, because he's "pro-life". I know this forum is usually fine with limiting women's rights, but for me, it's a deal breaker.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

Yes, because he's "pro-life". I know this forum is usually fine with limiting women's rights, but for me, it's a deal breaker.

Over 60% endorse primarying him .

[America Needs R'hllor]

Yes, because he's "pro-life". I know this forum is usually fine with limiting women's rights, but for me, it's a deal breaker.

Over 60% endorse primarying him .

Hence 'usually' . Still, I've just noticed a surprising amount of leftists here putting abortion as a very low priority position, so it's admittedly not a statistical observation. People might endorse primarying him for other reasons like his generally more conservative stances for all we know, though.

[Green Line]

The great people of IL-3 love Dan Lipinski, and he loves them back.  He's one of the best politicans in any party.  Independent, pro-life, handsome, flawless, etc.

White union Democrats are also the largest group in the democrat primary.  They are his people.

[Santander]

The great people of IL-3 love Dan Lipinski, and he loves them back.  He's one of the best politicans in any party.  Independent, pro-life, handsome, flawless, etc.

White union Democrats are also the largest group in the democrat primary.  They are his people.

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[smoltchanov]

Yes, because he's "pro-life". I know this forum is usually fine with limiting women's rights, but for me, it's a deal breaker.

Over 60% endorse primarying him .

What matters is how many people of IL-3 want to primary him. I have feelings that his district is much less liberal then Atlas population)))

[Coolface Sock #42069]

Obviously not, he had the good sense to vote against Obamacare. My favorite Dem by far.

To anyone who lives in his district or that general area (southwest suburbs, Joliet, etc.): could his district flip if Dems nominate someone crazy enough?

[Green Line]

Obviously not, he had the good sense to vote against Obamacare. My favorite Dem by far.

To anyone who lives in his district or that general area (southwest suburbs, Joliet, etc.): could his district flip if Dems nominate someone crazy enough?

No.  They would have to be really, really crazy.  That said, they wouldn't run up ridiculous numbers like Daniel does.

[BuckeyeNut]

The great people of IL-3 love Dan Lipinski, and he loves them back.  He's one of the best politicans in any party.  Independent, pro-life, handsome, flawless, etc.

White union Democrats are also the largest group in the democrat primary.  They are his people.

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Hate to agree with Santander, but Lipinski has the quintessential horse face.

[Chief Justice Keef]

Independent, pro-life, handsome, flawless, etc.

Dude looks like he's his 70s

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

Some people on this forum are hilariously deluded. Obviously Lipinski has a particular appeal in his district given the demographics of his constituents, but this is a district Clinton won by 15% (by an even larger margin than Obama in 2012, too!); literally any Democrat nominated would have no trouble holding this district in a general election.

the fact that it's a seat few if any Dems would have trouble losing is irrelevant (mostly). He's a responsitive and effective member of Congress. If you don't like him, then feel free to attempt to primary him - but don't get your hopes up. His constituents know that he fights for them - and that's why he's won primary and primary.

[BuckeyeNut]

Some people on this forum are hilariously deluded. Obviously Lipinski has a particular appeal in his district given the demographics of his constituents, but this is a district Clinton won by 15% (by an even larger margin than Obama in 2012, too!); literally any Democrat nominated would have no trouble holding this district in a general election.

Uh, no. I agree Lipinski should be primaried, but Bernie would have done worse than Obama 2012 here. To Tim Turner's point, Lipinski has been primaried many times. He got 87% of the vote in the 2012 primary, 73% in 2008, and 55% in 2006.

[Green Line]

Some people on this forum are hilariously deluded. Obviously Lipinski has a particular appeal in his district given the demographics of his constituents, but this is a district Clinton won by 15% (by an even larger margin than Obama in 2012, too!); literally any Democrat nominated would have no trouble holding this district in a general election.

Uh, no. I agree Lipinski should be primaried, but Bernie would have done worse than Obama 2012 here. To Tim Turner's point, Lipinski has been primaried many times. He got 87% of the vote in the 2012 primary, 73% in 2008, and 55% in 2006.

Sanders won this district in the primary, though?

Because working class whites were angry at Hillary, not because they wanted a socialist.  It's the same im most Northern places Bernie won.  His supporters don't understand that.

[Co-Chair Bagel23]

Some people on this forum are hilariously deluded. Obviously Lipinski has a particular appeal in his district given the demographics of his constituents, but this is a district Clinton won by 15% (by an even larger margin than Obama in 2012, too!); literally any Democrat nominated would have no trouble holding this district in a general election.

Uh, no. I agree Lipinski should be primaried, but Bernie would have done worse than Obama 2012 here. To Tim Turner's point, Lipinski has been primaried many times. He got 87% of the vote in the 2012 primary, 73% in 2008, and 55% in 2006.

Sanders won this district in the primary, though?

Because working class whites were angry at Hillary, not because they wanted a socialist.  It's the same im most Northern places Bernie won.  His supporters don't understand that.

And WV too. Hopefully they will wake up when Swearingen gets absolutely cucked in the primaries next year.

[Donerail]

Some people on this forum are hilariously deluded. Obviously Lipinski has a particular appeal in his district given the demographics of his constituents, but this is a district Clinton won by 15% (by an even larger margin than Obama in 2012, too!); literally any Democrat nominated would have no trouble holding this district in a general election.

the fact that it's a seat few if any Dems would have trouble losing is irrelevant (mostly). He's a responsitive and effective member of Congress. If you don't like him, then feel free to attempt to primary him - but don't get your hopes up. His constituents know that he fights for them - and that's why he's won primary and primary.

it's very relevant. terrible representatives like lipinski—and any representative who voted against the ACA is terrible, full stop—may be grudgingly tolerated in districts where literally no one else could be elected. this is clearly not one of those districts, and so there's no reason not to upgrade.

[Green Line]

Some people on this forum are hilariously deluded. Obviously Lipinski has a particular appeal in his district given the demographics of his constituents, but this is a district Clinton won by 15% (by an even larger margin than Obama in 2012, too!); literally any Democrat nominated would have no trouble holding this district in a general election.

the fact that it's a seat few if any Dems would have trouble losing is irrelevant (mostly). He's a responsitive and effective member of Congress. If you don't like him, then feel free to attempt to primary him - but don't get your hopes up. His constituents know that he fights for them - and that's why he's won primary and primary.

it's very relevant. terrible representatives like lipinski—and any representative who voted against the ACA is terrible, full stop—may be grudgingly tolerated in districts where literally no one else could be elected. this is clearly not one of those districts, and so there's no reason not to upgrade.

Well, except for the fact that the vast majority of IL-3 don't want your "upgrade".

[smoltchanov]

Some people on this forum are hilariously deluded. Obviously Lipinski has a particular appeal in his district given the demographics of his constituents, but this is a district Clinton won by 15% (by an even larger margin than Obama in 2012, too!); literally any Democrat nominated would have no trouble holding this district in a general election.

the fact that it's a seat few if any Dems would have trouble losing is irrelevant (mostly). He's a responsitive and effective member of Congress. If you don't like him, then feel free to attempt to primary him - but don't get your hopes up. His constituents know that he fights for them - and that's why he's won primary and primary.

it's very relevant. terrible representatives like lipinski—and any representative who voted against the ACA is terrible, full stop—may be grudgingly tolerated in districts where literally no one else could be elected. this is clearly not one of those districts, and so there's no reason not to upgrade.

Well, except for the fact that the vast majority of IL-3 don't want your "upgrade".

+100. Let people of IL-3 decide themselves, without "advices" from anybody, but first of all - "flaming progressives", who tend to give unsolicited advices everywhere. And we will respect their decision (looking in the past, when Lipinski beat "progressives" by 25+ margin, i am relatively sure about result)

[BuckeyeNut]

The real reason Lipinski should get primaried is that he represents the absolute worst of political dynasticism.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

The real reason Lipinski should get primaried is that he represents the absolute worst of political dynasticism.

who ever said dynasticism was ever inheritly bad?

[smoltchanov]

The real reason Lipinski should get primaried is that he represents the absolute worst of political dynasticism.

What about Kennedy's? Dingell's? And many many other...

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

The real reason Lipinski should get primaried is that he represents the absolute worst of political dynasticism.

What about Kennedy's? Dingell's? And many many other...

If this is the spirit folks like #KingDan send to the Halls of Congress, the hard work and the good constituent services and the influence gained via seniority (and expertise) being used for good purpose, and we were guaranteed the same as long as we elected Lipinskis, they definitely deserve to represent the area for decades to come. They have earned it.

[smoltchanov]

^ As i always say - district rules! It's up to the people of district to decide - who do they want to represent it. Progressive, moderate, conservative, member of dynasty or newcomer, and so on.... Can they may a mistake (in historical sense)? Of course, but then - they will correct it later themselves. People of LA-6 elected and reelected a patented racist John Rarick long after Civil Rights laws were passed. Probabbly because at that time they were racists too (most of them at least), and shared Rarick's views. When they changed enough - Rarick was narrowly defeated in Democratic primary (the district went for very conservative Republican, not "progressive Democrat", but it's another story). Let people of IL-3 decide themselves! Of course, everyone has right to challenge Lipinski, but no one must push them to do so. And then - let THEM decide...