Obama attacks Trump over ending DACA

[TDAS04]

http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/05/politics/obama-daca/index.html

Thank you Obama!

[ajc0918]

FF!

[Frozen Sky Ever Why]

Considering Trump's psychotic obsession with Obama, he's going to be infuriated.

[ProudModerate2]

http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/05/politics/obama-daca/index.html

Thank you Obama!

If anyone would like to hear Obama's statement (instead of reading it), then click on the thread and just watch/listen to the accompanying video attached to the article.
Obama's statement is quite lengthy. He put a lot of thought and heart into his words.

[Grumpier Than Uncle Joe]

Was he upset his end-around on the Congress will end in 6 months?

[ProudModerate2]

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[Inmate Trump]

There is no good reason for this action.

No reason at all, save for pure and utter hatred.

[Frozen Sky Ever Why]

Do individual states have the power to block deportations within their own borders?

[Inmate Trump]

Do individual states have the power to block deportations within their own borders?

I don't have an answer to this question, but it's one I hadn't considered yet.

If the answer is yes, then it'll be funny watching cultists slam it even though they're all about "state's rights" for other things.

[Grumpier Than Uncle Joe]

Do individual states have the power to block deportations within their own borders?

I don't have an answer to this question, but it's one I hadn't considered yet.

If the answer is yes, then it'll be funny watching cultists slam it even though they're all about "state's rights" for other things.

I don't know anyone on the "states rights" side who says federal immigration laws ever fell into a "states rights" category.

[DrScholl]

Trump did this for headlines and to appease his base. Not for any reasons that really matters.

[ProudModerate2]

Do individual states have the power to block deportations within their own borders?

I don't have an answer to this question, but it's one I hadn't considered yet.

If the answer is yes, then it'll be funny watching cultists slam it even though they're all about "state's rights" for other things.

I don't know anyone on the "states rights" side who says federal immigration laws ever fell into a "states rights" category.

But yet those same people feel that the continuation to enslave and torture people, should be within the sovereign right of each state.
Go figure.

[Yank2133]

Was he upset his end-around on the Congress will end in 6 months?

No need for an end-around if Congress passed his bill in 2010.

But you know this already.

[Pyro]

Oh, please. Obama deported more folks than any president prior. Give the croc tears a break.

[DrScholl]

Oh, please. Obama deported more folks than any president prior. Give the croc tears a break.

That's not the damn point, for goodness sake. The point is that Trump is ending a reasonable program for no other reason than to appease his radical base. The both sides argument doesn't fly here anymore it did for Charlottesville. Give the drama queen antics a break.

[Frozen Sky Ever Why]

Oh, please. Obama deported more folks than any president prior. Give the croc tears a break.

That's not the damn point, for goodness sake. The point is that Trump is ending a reasonable program for no other reason than to appease his radical base. The both sides argument doesn't fly here anymore it did for Charlottesville. Give the drama queen antics a break.

Also, the government never promised the people Obama deported that they could stay.

[Santander]

Oh, please. Obama deported more folks than any president prior. Give the croc tears a break.

That's not the damn point, for goodness sake. The point is that Trump is ending a reasonable program for no other reason than to appease his radical base. The both sides argument doesn't fly here anymore it did for Charlottesville. Give the drama queen antics a break.

Also, the government never promised the people Obama deported that they could stay.

DACA wasn't such a promise either, it was just deferred enforcement. That was why DACA was such a cynical and overreaching maneuver - once you have 800,000 illegal immigrants voluntarily give their information to the government in return for temporary relief from enforcement action, it basically becomes unconscionable to use the same list to deport them, which forces Congress to legalize them.

[Grumpier Than Uncle Joe]

Was he upset his end-around on the Congress will end in 6 months?

No need for an end-around if Congress passed his bill in 2010.

But you know this already.

Democratic Congress?

[GeorgiaModerate]

Was he upset his end-around on the Congress will end in 6 months?

No need for an end-around if Congress passed his bill in 2010.

But you know this already.

Democratic Congress?

Passed by the House, filibustered by the Republicans in the Senate to stop it.  Let's place the blame where it lies, please.

[Grumpier Than Uncle Joe]

Was he upset his end-around on the Congress will end in 6 months?

No need for an end-around if Congress passed his bill in 2010.

But you know this already.

Democratic Congress?

Passed by the House, filibustered by the Republicans in the Senate to stop it.  Let's place the blame where it lies, please.

Congress. I agree they suck. I do believe they will pass something since plenty of pubs are pissed.

[Frozen Sky Ever Why]

Ann Coulter and her ilk will go ballistic if Republicans pass any kind of amnesty

[Rookie Yinzer]

Trump is purposely taking an action that will cut revenue for the country. Racism is a mental illness.

[GeorgiaModerate]

Ann Coulter and her ilk will go ballistic if Republicans pass any kind of amnesty

Yes, but what's the downside?

[pbrower2a]

Trump did this for headlines and to appease his base. Not for any reasons that really matters.

The President operated out of spite, which is bad leadership in business, government, or industry. Of course this might excite his base, but sometimes one must disappoint them.  I see the possibility of families being ripped apart and finding diplomatic messes. Oh, so the child brought here in a a backpack in infancy does not speak Spanish? Oh, the twelve-year-old child is to stay here but the fifteen-year-old is to be deported?

Sometimes one must offend the base.

OK, so criminal aliens should be deported. So of a pair of twins one is a female honor student and the male is a member of MS-13? One might be a model dreamer, and the other might have sold out his dream by betraying the dreams of others. Tough luck, "Johnny Uzi" -- your sister won't miss you.  She's scared.

[AN63093]

DACA wasn't such a promise either, it was just deferred enforcement. That was why DACA was such a cynical and overreaching maneuver - once you have 800,000 illegal immigrants voluntarily give their information to the government in return for temporary relief from enforcement action, it basically becomes unconscionable to use the same list to deport them, which forces Congress to legalize them.

^^^

This is what always bothered me the most about the policy- that it was essentially executive granted amnesty.

Which, whether one agrees with the policy or not, it was a pretty smart tactical move by Obama. Ironically, a GOP led Congress may end up granting amnesty, which is pretty remarkable. I don't know if they have the balls to actually let DACA lapse. Maybe the GOP gets something in exchange, but with how feckless the GOP congress is, I sorta doubt that will happen.

Come to think of it, as much as Dems whine and moan in histrionic fashion about how Trump is the OMG WORST president EVAR!!!!!1! and we're on the precipice of the Holocaust and any minute now we should expect the Four Horsemen to come descending from the sky....


....meanwhile, back in reality, liberals are actually kinda winning. They certainly are doing a better job than the GOP of advancing their policy goals, even if incrementally. What has the GOP accomplished so far in this administration? Substantively speaking, nothing really, except Gorsuch (which isn't much of an accomplishment, since it just sustains the existing balance on the Court).

Other than that, all the GOP has done is waste the better part of a year, flailing about, attempting to repeal a policy that they neither had an alternative to, nor any real desire to repeal.. which became shockingly transparent, if it wasn't already pre-inauguration.

Otherwise, just a whole lot of nothing.  Real apocalyptic, let me tell ya.