BREAKING: Catalonia Declares Independence

[Daniel909012]

Catalonia doesn't deserve to be able to break away even if nationalists can arguably easily corral a majority (if we treat the 2015 regional election as a proxy). Rajoy's handling of the situation has been good in my opinion. Una España unida y indivisible.

You are absolutely right, but why not go one step further and use "Espana, Una, Grande y Libre" to convince yet more Catalans that you represent their interests. That's bound to keep them believing in the Spanish institutions.

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Agree here, but this is no different to the manufactured grievances that cause faultlines across the world.

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*Their parties don't care about the rule of law. Have Catalan nationalists engaged in violence, intimidation, ethnic cleansing since Terra Lliurre? We have to give them at least this credit. Its all been done within democratic boundaries, save for the past few years. And the radicalization of the Catalan nationalist movement can and has been attributed to the PP's stance on autonomous powers.

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The part in bold can be said about the Partido Popular and Spanish nationalism, in much the same way radical Unionism in Northern Ireland and radical Belgicism way back in the 19-20th century lead to the creation or rebirth of artificial nationalism in their peripheral regions by political entrepreneurs. It is the one way ticket to not preserve a multi-ethnic state in modern Europe.

Belgium a nation invented by the United Kingdom and France to be neutral in wars. Half of your country does not want independence?

Catalonia is a rotten nest full of corruption and intolerance. It is not surprising that half of Spaniards accept the military force Against catalonia

[Daniel909012]

The police do not act by order of rajoy, acts by irden of the supreme court of Spanish justice

[Daniel909012]

Has Felipe aged like 20 years since his coronation?

It's the beard.

The King's speech will be poorly received in Catalonia, but it seems most of the Spanish political class, including PSOE, has lined up against the Catalans if not Rajoy. And there is a degree of popular enthusiasm: when the Guardia Civil was deploying to Catalonia they were sent off by cheering crowds across the rest of Spain. There seems to be a considerable resentment of the Catalans in the rest of the country that is conducive to a crackdowns.

A speech calling for restraint could've been seen as a criticism of the government and sparked a constitutional crisis, as if there wasn't enough of one already. The only real alternative would've been to say nothing at all.

The fact remains that turnout in the referendum was just 40% and, Sunday's events aside, no clear evidence of a majority for independence. A UDI would be a strategy fraught with risk: there could be a consolidation of independentist sentiment, or a backlash against the separatists' "recklessness".

https://www.google.com.mx/amp/s/amp.elmundo.es/espana/2017/09/11/59b56da8e5fdea6e518b461f.html