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« on: September 10, 2017, 09:10:16 am »
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Since when can Trump legitimately be called famous? I don't know that many tycoons that are frequently talked of.
How did manage to enter the entertainment industry? Why was he given cameos like those in Home Alone 2 or the Nanny? Why was he giving the opportunity to host a casting show? He was even given the leading role in a Pizza Hut commercial.
I don't get it.
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« Reply #1 on: September 10, 2017, 09:15:02 am »
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1980s, becoming well-known in real estate and local politics and as a playboy in NYC.
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« Reply #2 on: September 10, 2017, 09:26:26 am »
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He was put in the movies as part of a "deal" to let his buildings be in the film or show.

"you can use Trump Tower's lobby, but I get to be in the movie"  (semi)Famously he did it for Scent of a Woman, but then the director cut the scene anyway.
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Was that wrong? Should I have not done that? I tell you, I gotta plead ignorance on this thing because if anyone had said anything to me at all when I first started here that that sort of thing was frowned upon, you know, ‘cause I've worked in a lot of offices and I tell you people do that all the time.
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« Reply #3 on: September 10, 2017, 09:28:31 am »
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(Googling to make sure my facts were right I also discovered he makes $110k a year from SAG residuals and Bannon once wrote a screenplay for a Shakespeare inspired Rap musical about the LA riots.)
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Was that wrong? Should I have not done that? I tell you, I gotta plead ignorance on this thing because if anyone had said anything to me at all when I first started here that that sort of thing was frowned upon, you know, ‘cause I've worked in a lot of offices and I tell you people do that all the time.
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« Reply #4 on: September 10, 2017, 09:49:51 am »
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Do you think Zuckerberg's celebrity status could be compared with Trump's status in the '80s?
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« Reply #5 on: September 10, 2017, 12:01:47 pm »
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yes....there are a LOT more "celebrities" now though, I'm not sure what that means, but it means something.
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Was that wrong? Should I have not done that? I tell you, I gotta plead ignorance on this thing because if anyone had said anything to me at all when I first started here that that sort of thing was frowned upon, you know, ‘cause I've worked in a lot of offices and I tell you people do that all the time.
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« Reply #6 on: September 10, 2017, 03:08:44 pm »
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yes....there are a LOT more "celebrities" now though, I'm not sure what that means, but it means something.


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« Reply #7 on: September 10, 2017, 08:41:12 pm »
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Do you think Zuckerberg's celebrity status could be compared with Trump's status in the '80s?

Facebook is far more ubiquitous than Trump, but...Zuckerberg himself isn't. Mark Zuckerberg is a very boring person, and Trump never was.

80s Trump was followed by 90s Trump, featuring a very, very messy and public and painful divorce with his wife Ivana, a celebrity in her own right, and was a tabloid magnet. Then Trump married a model named Marla Marples, then divorced her only a little while later to marry a different model, Melania. In the mean time, he went broke so badly that Ivanka tells a story of walking by a homeless man with her father and her father says "that man has 50 million more dollars than I have."

90s Trump, a washed-up has-been, is replaced by 00s Trump, a host of a reality TV show where he basically plays 80s Trump as a character: he plays a brutally competent and savvy deal-maker who revels in firing dead weight. He's honestly a brilliant actor in a way: he has this amazing gut sense of what his audience wants to see. He's perfectly willing to play the fool and humiliate himself and make himself a joke, and does so regularly, because at the end of the day, Donald Trump's identity is based on the idea of "I'm richer than you because I'm better than you." One of my favorite Trump moments is the old roast of Trump in which Trump's joke about himself was "what's the difference between Donald Trump's hair and a dead animal? 4 billion dollars."

In a way, right back to the 80s, Trump was the embodiment of a certain type of New York City person: the brash, vulgar, outer-borough outsider who wants to conquer Manhattan. If there's ever a Trump biopic worth a s**t, it will constantly refer back to an establishing shot of Trump looking longingly out a window in Queens towards Manhattan with his father Fred saying something along the lines of "we stay in our borough." In a lot of ways, Trump's entire life goal was to become a Manhattan socialite, but instead he became a Manhattan laughingstock and punchline, so he decided to play that role to the hilt instead. Trump's entire early social circle (including Roy Cohn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) were fellow bitter, slighted outcasts who were thwarted in their route into Manhattan society.
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« Reply #8 on: September 12, 2017, 05:35:24 am »
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It's actually pretty amazing that he became famous without the help of the Internet. Maybe his abode is really what pushed. A typical 80's movie plays in New York or Chicago with all those skylines, with all those nightlife feeling, clubs and casinos. Trump as a Manhattanite and a tycoon and a casino owner probably embodied the sense of life in the 80's.
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« Reply #9 on: September 12, 2017, 06:57:45 am »
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In a way, right back to the 80s, Trump was the embodiment of a certain type of New York City person: the brash, vulgar, outer-borough outsider who wants to conquer Manhattan. If there's ever a Trump biopic worth a s**t, it will constantly refer back to an establishing shot of Trump looking longingly out a window in Queens towards Manhattan with his father Fred saying something along the lines of "we stay in our borough." In a lot of ways, Trump's entire life goal was to become a Manhattan socialite, but instead he became a Manhattan laughingstock and punchline, so he decided to play that role to the hilt instead. Trump's entire early social circle (including Roy Cohn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) were fellow bitter, slighted outcasts who were thwarted in their route into Manhattan society.

Sounds eerily similar to Arron Banks, the millionaire bankroller of UKIP and Leave.
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« Reply #10 on: September 12, 2017, 10:19:57 am »
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Trump first came to the public attention for controversial real estate deals in NYC and owning a casino in Atlantic City in the 1980s.  He was accused of using undocumented workers, of using borderline illegal practices to force out poor families from homes he wanted to demolish, and of violating gaming laws in New Jersey.

Then he really stepped into the public eye when he purchased a USFL team and sued the NFL.  The law suit destroyed the USFL and resulted in the USFL being awarded $3.

Trump clearly enjoyed the public spotlight and started jumping at any chance to get attention.  He had a book, a board game, and appearances on talk shows.  He made controversial statements and exuded attitude.

For most of the 90's he was somewhat muted.  An irrelevant relic really.  But professional wrestling and a tv game show let him resurrect his spot in the public eye.  He then found that the more he made controversial statements the more attention he got so he just kept saying crazier and crazier things.
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« Reply #11 on: September 13, 2017, 04:30:01 am »
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For most of the 90's he was somewhat muted.  An irrelevant relic really.  But professional wrestling and a tv game show let him resurrect his spot in the public eye.  He then found that the more he made controversial statements the more attention he got so he just kept saying crazier and crazier things.

And don't forget about his cameo in Home Alone 2.
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« Reply #12 on: September 13, 2017, 08:18:51 pm »
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For most of the 90's he was somewhat muted.  An irrelevant relic really.  But professional wrestling and a tv game show let him resurrect his spot in the public eye.  He then found that the more he made controversial statements the more attention he got so he just kept saying crazier and crazier things.

And don't forget about his cameo in Home Alone 2.
I was watching it last Christmas and it really took me out of the film for a second to reflect on the fact that trump was soon going to be my president.
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Or maybe he is stupid and his voters are mostly stupid. can be both; just a distinct possibility worth thinking about.
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« Reply #13 on: September 13, 2017, 11:05:33 pm »
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If you're talking about Trump in movies, you need to hit Little Rascals, where he was the father of one of the rascals.

Or how there's a whole episode of Fresh Prince of Bel Air where he and Ivana want to buy the house the cast lives in.
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