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« Reply #50 on: September 13, 2017, 08:21:01 am »
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If Hillary Clinton wants a spot she will have it.

The presumptive nominee pretty much has carte blanche to invite whoever they want to speak.  So if said person doesn't want HRC to speak, or at least not in primetime, they'll get their way.
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« Reply #51 on: September 13, 2017, 08:41:26 am »
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I wonder if Clinton will envy Warren for being the first female president.
I wonder also if everyone would believe Clinton's appeal to the audience to elect a woman to the top of the government is meant wholehearted.
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« Reply #52 on: September 13, 2017, 08:51:42 am »
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Why don't you create a Bernie Sanders hate group megathread so that all the clowns can vent there.

I think that is a better idea than destroying every god damn topic by making it a Bash Bernie thread or Hillary vs Bernie again. Most of the posts are not even relevant to the topic. And it was mildly amusing or intellectual, maybe you could argue.

Your entire existence on this forum is to bash the Democratic Party 24/7 for not groveling at the feet of an independent Socialist. Projection much?

Maybe you can argue when Senator Paula Jean Swearengin becomes a reality or when Sanders gets crushed in the GE in 2020

I don't care about Senator Paula or not. You know you are a nutcase when you talk about Bernie getting crushed in the GE. He is one of the most electable Democrat since FDR. And Parties are irrelevant. They are a vehicle for change & policies. The Democrats are the only reasonable party capable of change & hence they get criticism.

And I really don't want to have a discussion with you because are you a hack who doesn't even have the intellectual capability to stick to the topic & tries to bash Bernie in every thread. You don't discuss with Alex Jones type people.

Bernie Sanders will not be the nominee. What he and his deranged stans want will not be a factor.

It's crazy how you hacks think that the movement is just going to go away even if Bernie or whatever progressive you decide to villify doesn't get the nomination. The Bernie coalition is basically the half of the Obama coalition that's under 25, it's the future.
Nevertheless, who and what Bernie Sanders wants on stage at the 2020 DNC is irrelevant. If Hillary Clinton wants a spot she will have it.

Her approval is 30%. She is almost universally hated. She will get a spot out of pity & it is probably a bad association for the candidate & harmful for the GE but she will get it more as a lifetime achievement. She wouldn't be getting a prime spot, probably somewhere in the middle, in some irrelevant time.

Sanders is the most loved & popular politician & his personal approvals & his policy approvals with the Democratic base are at 80% or above. The Democratic Nominee will come begging to him because he has an entire generation & the future of the Democratic party in his hands.

You can chose to create an alternate reality & be surprised again in 2020.
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« Reply #53 on: September 13, 2017, 10:16:11 am »
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Hillary Clinton will speak and get a standing ovation when she does so. The people who would not vote for the 2020 nominee because HRC speaks for 10 minutes three to four months prior to the election was never going to vote Democrat. I can't wait to hear her full throated endorsement of the first female president if the nominee is Warren, Gillibrand, or Harris.

We shall see about the 2020 nominee "begging" Bernie for anything. I'm sure he and his platform will be significant and that's fine. I don't hate his policies and I just find his personality to be unpalatable.
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« Reply #54 on: September 13, 2017, 10:31:47 am »
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I don't care about Senator Paula or not. You know you are a nutcase when you talk about Bernie getting crushed in the GE. He is one of the most electable Democrat since FDR. And Parties are irrelevant. They are a vehicle for change & policies. The Democrats are the only reasonable party capable of change & hence they get criticism.


Ahhhh yes, as FDR put it so eloquently in his 1932 run,




Soooooo electable Roll Eyes
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« Reply #55 on: September 13, 2017, 10:43:29 am »
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Hillary Clinton will speak and get a standing ovation when she does so. The people who would not vote for the 2020 nominee because HRC speaks for 10 minutes three to four months prior to the election was never going to vote Democrat. I can't wait to hear her full throated endorsement of the first female president if the nominee is Warren, Gillibrand, or Harris.

We shall see about the 2020 nominee "begging" Bernie for anything. I'm sure he and his platform will be significant and that's fine. I don't hate his policies and I just find his personality to be unpalatable.

No-one votes against a Dem nominee because HRC spoke for that person. That is childish. As a Dem nominee, she should ideally speak. However Clinton's approvals are at 30%, she is dull, inspiring & a mediocre speaker who generates no enthusiasm & has honesty/authenticity perception issues. If a Clinton will be a key speaker, that will be Bill Clinton & not Hillary. The prime time speakers be Bill Clinton, Bernie Sanders, Obama & the 2020 Nominee.

Sanders is a sitting Senator who will be there till 2024. He is an independent who doesn't have the bounds of party loyalty & can turn against anyone at any time. He has the crown jewel of all email lists, a generation devoted to him & multiple offshoots, organizations, strong fundraising & grassroots support from the Dem base, passionate people who run podcasts supporting him & so on. The Dem Nominee needs the "Berniecrats."
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« Reply #56 on: September 13, 2017, 10:44:49 am »
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Hillary Clinton will speak and get a standing ovation when she does so. The people who would not vote for the 2020 nominee because HRC speaks for 10 minutes three to four months prior to the election was never going to vote Democrat. I can't wait to hear her full throated endorsement of the first female president if the nominee is Warren, Gillibrand, or Harris.

We shall see about the 2020 nominee "begging" Bernie for anything. I'm sure he and his platform will be significant and that's fine. I don't hate his policies and I just find his personality to be unpalatable.

No-one votes against a Dem nominee because HRC spoke for that person. That is childish. As a Dem nominee, she should ideally speak. However Clinton's approvals are at 30%, she is dull, inspiring & a mediocre speaker who generates no enthusiasm & has honesty/authenticity perception issues. If a Clinton will be a key speaker, that will be Bill Clinton & not Hillary. The prime time speakers be Bill Clinton, Bernie Sanders, Obama & the 2020 Nominee.

Sanders is a sitting Senator who will be there till 2024. He is an independent who doesn't have the bounds of party loyalty & can turn against anyone at any time. He has the crown jewel of all email lists, a generation devoted to him & multiple offshoots, organizations, strong fundraising & grassroots support from the Dem base, passionate people who run podcasts supporting him & so on. The Dem Nominee needs the "Berniecrats."
We certainly shall see!
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« Reply #57 on: September 13, 2017, 10:48:22 am »
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I don't care about Senator Paula or not. You know you are a nutcase when you talk about Bernie getting crushed in the GE. He is one of the most electable Democrat since FDR. And Parties are irrelevant. They are a vehicle for change & policies. The Democrats are the only reasonable party capable of change & hence they get criticism.


Ahhhh yes, as FDR put it so eloquently in his 1932 run,




Soooooo electable Roll Eyes

He wrote an essay about women enjoying intercourse with multiple men, 50 years back, big deal. This is the reason why I say you make dumb statements. You have Trump, a racist & a Birther who wants to ban all Muslims, kill the children & family of terrorists, steal oil from Iraq, who is on tape bragging about sexually assaulting women & the size of his d*** in a GOP debate, bashed disabled people & says Kelly was menstruating & you come with some essay Sanders wrote 50 years back when he was 25 or 27 or 29 or whatever.

FDR cheated on his wife. JFK cheated on his wife. They are widely known Presidents who cheated while in office. And no1 gives a sh**t. LBJ was a total dic* who did multiple shady stuff. You have no clue as to what electability means.
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« Reply #58 on: September 13, 2017, 10:55:35 am »
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Listen, I know a lot of Berniecrats want to wipe her out of history, but if somehow Bernie did win the nomination in 2020 (he won't) and he actually omitted Clinton from the convention (he won't) he risks pissing off half of the Democratic Party and continuing the division causing Donald Freaking Trump to become a two-term president.
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« Reply #59 on: September 13, 2017, 12:31:56 pm »
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It probably mostly depends on whether or not she wants a convention speaking role. Romney, McCain, W., etc. didn't speak at the 2016 GOP Convention not because they weren't invited to, but because they decided to not go. Usually, ex-nominees and ex-presidents are shoo-ins, with pretty much the sole exception of Richard Nixon.
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« Reply #60 on: September 13, 2017, 01:21:02 pm »
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He wrote an essay about women enjoying intercourse with multiple men, 50 years back, big deal. This is the reason why I say you make dumb statements. You have Trump, a racist & a Birther who wants to ban all Muslims, kill the children & family of terrorists, steal oil from Iraq, who is on tape bragging about sexually assaulting women & the size of his d*** in a GOP debate, bashed disabled people & says Kelly was menstruating & you come with some essay Sanders wrote 50 years back when he was 25 or 27 or 29 or whatever.

FDR cheated on his wife. JFK cheated on his wife. They are widely known Presidents who cheated while in office. And no1 gives a sh**t. LBJ was a total dic* who did multiple shady stuff. You have no clue as to what electability means.

FDR and JFK never:

1. Praised breadlines in communist countries as "a good thing".
2. Openly bragged about how women enjoy being raped in their fantasies.
3. Openly praised Fidel Castro for his sick actions.
4. Said that "white people don't know what it's like to be poor" as a pathetic way to pander to minorities.
5. Failed to get single payer passed in their home state.
6. Dumped nuclear waste on a poor Hispanic community.
7. Voted against amber alert.
8. Voted for the crime bill.
9. Praised communist countries like Venezuela.
10. Said they didn't believe in charities.
11. Said they were "excited about the revolution in Cuba".
12. Were bums during most of their adult lives.
13. Lost black voters by 60+ points in their primaries.

Sanders has more dirt on him than any politician in this country. He would get annihilated in a GE if it weren't for the hyper-polarized electorate.
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« Reply #61 on: September 13, 2017, 02:35:55 pm »
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He wrote an essay about women enjoying intercourse with multiple men, 50 years back, big deal. This is the reason why I say you make dumb statements. You have Trump, a racist & a Birther who wants to ban all Muslims, kill the children & family of terrorists, steal oil from Iraq, who is on tape bragging about sexually assaulting women & the size of his d*** in a GOP debate, bashed disabled people & says Kelly was menstruating & you come with some essay Sanders wrote 50 years back when he was 25 or 27 or 29 or whatever.

FDR cheated on his wife. JFK cheated on his wife. They are widely known Presidents who cheated while in office. And no1 gives a sh**t. LBJ was a total dic* who did multiple shady stuff. You have no clue as to what electability means.

FDR and JFK never:

1. Praised breadlines in communist countries as "a good thing".
2. Openly bragged about how women enjoy being raped in their fantasies.
3. Openly praised Fidel Castro for his sick actions.
4. Said that "white people don't know what it's like to be poor" as a pathetic way to pander to minorities.
5. Failed to get single payer passed in their home state.
6. Dumped nuclear waste on a poor Hispanic community.
7. Voted against amber alert.
8. Voted for the crime bill.
9. Praised communist countries like Venezuela.
10. Said they didn't believe in charities.
11. Said they were "excited about the revolution in Cuba".
12. Were bums during most of their adult lives.
13. Lost black voters by 60+ points in their primaries.

Sanders has more dirt on him than any politician in this country. He would get annihilated in a GE if it weren't for the hyper-polarized electorate.

14. Had a wife under federal investigation for embezzling money from a college.
15. Touted an anti-war record but voted for a military mission in Yugoslavia which resulted in a staffer resigning and constituents being arrested at their office.
16. Attended an anti-American rally in Nicauguara while chants of "death to Yankees" filled the streets.
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« Reply #62 on: September 13, 2017, 05:48:24 pm »
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I don't care about Senator Paula or not. You know you are a nutcase when you talk about Bernie getting crushed in the GE. He is one of the most electable Democrat since FDR. And Parties are irrelevant. They are a vehicle for change & policies. The Democrats are the only reasonable party capable of change & hence they get criticism.


Ahhhh yes, as FDR put it so eloquently in his 1932 run,




Soooooo electable Roll Eyes

He wrote an essay about women enjoying intercourse with multiple men, 50 years back, big deal. This is the reason why I say you make dumb statements. You have Trump, a racist & a Birther who wants to ban all Muslims, kill the children & family of terrorists, steal oil from Iraq, who is on tape bragging about sexually assaulting women & the size of his d*** in a GOP debate, bashed disabled people & says Kelly was menstruating & you come with some essay Sanders wrote 50 years back when he was 25 or 27 or 29 or whatever.

FDR cheated on his wife. JFK cheated on his wife. They are widely known Presidents who cheated while in office. And no1 gives a sh**t. LBJ was a total dic* who did multiple shady stuff. You have no clue as to what electability means.
Remember the president who got impeached for cheating on his wife? I do.
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« Reply #63 on: September 13, 2017, 06:00:43 pm »
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100%. Why wouldn't the nominee have a prime-time speaking slot?
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« Reply #64 on: September 13, 2017, 09:58:08 pm »
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It probably mostly depends on whether or not she wants a convention speaking role. Romney, McCain, W., etc. didn't speak at the 2016 GOP Convention not because they weren't invited to, but because they decided to not go. Usually, ex-nominees and ex-presidents are shoo-ins, with pretty much the sole exception of Richard Nixon.

Romney, the Bushes, etc. not speaking at the RNC in 2016 is an unusual circumstance: They refused to attend the convention because they didn't like the person being nominated: They wouldn't endorse Trump in the general election.  Barring some really unexpected scenario though, that won't apply to Clinton in 2020.  She'll (presumably) endorse the nominee.  If she skips out, it'll be more like Bush skipping the convention in 2012: Potentially a move to not create some kind of "controversy" over a polarizing figure appearing at the convention.  That assumes of course that her favorability #s will still be poor in 2020.  If her #s have recovered by then, then of course she'll speak in primetime.
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