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Lord Admirale
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« on: September 12, 2017, 10:58:46 PM »

What if President Mike Pence faced Bernie Sanders? With his old age and extreme views, I don't see Sanders fairing that well against Pence. This is how I see the competitive map being:


I really don't see Sen. Sanders fairing well, even against a reactionary like Pence.

Thoughts?
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« Reply #1 on: September 13, 2017, 08:46:42 PM »


No idea who wins Iowa
But bernie obviously wins the most popular politician in the country vs the vp of the least popular politician in the country

Bernie isn't as popular as he seems...
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Lord Admirale
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« Reply #2 on: September 14, 2017, 07:54:52 AM »


No idea who wins Iowa
But bernie obviously wins the most popular politician in the country vs the vp of the least popular politician in the country

Bernie isn't as popular as he seems...

umm ok...
Look, if the email scandal could bring down Secretary Clinton, imagine how badly Sanders' scandals and actions would come back to haunt him.
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« Reply #3 on: September 16, 2017, 12:42:37 PM »
« Edited: September 16, 2017, 12:46:22 PM by Blue Dog Moderate »

Clinton didn't lose solely due to the email server.... It's because she was perceived as establishment (although her scandals - some real and some fake - helped that perception) in an anti-establishment electorate. I'd say you're thinking it's 1995 still but since I know you're trolling, I won't.

Now on the substance, I think Pence could whip Bernie's ass in the debates and in a good climate for national Republicans, would probably win narrowly. But if the crisis hits, Bernie (or a similar Regan/FDR-esque figure) wins easily.

Excuse me? The anti establishment Sanders lost by 3.5 million to Clinton and anti establishment Trump lost by 2.8 million to Clinton AND fell short of almost every single GOP Swing state senator AND the House GOP won the popular vote.

"Muh anti-establishment" narrative doesn't work when establishment republicans in swing states and in the House outperform Trump significantly and when Bernie lost the primaries decisively. Seriously why did all of these establishment republicans get respected AND outperformed Trump in the swing states?

Your tone makes it so obvious you are trolling but since other posters seem to have the view you're pretending to have I'll tear this apart. Clinton's PV is irrelevant. We do not elect presidents based on the popular vote, we elect them based on the electoral college. Given that Bernie got 47% of pledged delegates when he started out polling at 3%, and an orange clown buffoon won the GOP primaries, it was obviously an anti-establishment election. The only swing state senator to grossly overpreform was Rob Portman and that's because Strickland imploded and in most cases, the third party vote split towards the GOP.
If this election was completely anti-establishment, then why did Bernie lose the Democratic primaries to Secretary Clinton? And it certainly wasn't narrow, he lost by millions of votes and nearly a thousand delegates. The Republicans were fed up with the establishment (Tea Party has been pushing that for 6 years), while most Democrats were quite content with the way things were going and threw their support behind Clinton in droves.  
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