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« on: September 13, 2017, 08:17:00 am »
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Tuesday the College Park City Council voted 4-3 to allow non-citizens to vote in city elections even if they're illegally in the country.
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« Reply #1 on: September 13, 2017, 08:24:41 am »
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Is that Constitutional?
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« Reply #2 on: September 13, 2017, 08:35:25 am »
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I think Tacoma Park, MD, allows 14-year-olds to vote in local elections, so I think it's fine, constitutionally. Or, at least, has yet to be challenged.
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« Reply #3 on: September 13, 2017, 08:36:11 am »
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Nothing that happens in that sh**t hole town surprises me.
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« Reply #4 on: September 13, 2017, 08:42:11 am »
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Is that Constitutional?

It was common practice for most of the 19th century.

Here is what Wikipedia has:

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Since 1996, a federal law has prohibited non-citizens from voting in federal elections, punishing them by fines, imprisonment, inadmissibility, and deportation.[3][4][5] Exempt from punishment is any non-citizen who "reasonably believed at the time of voting (...) that he or she was a citizen of the United States," had a parent who is or was a citizen, and began permanently living in the United States before turning 16 years old.[3] The federal law does not prohibit non-citizens from voting in state or local elections, but no state has allowed non-citizens to vote in state elections since Arkansas became the last state to outlaw non-citizen voting in 1926.[6] 11 local governments, 10 of them in Maryland, allow non-citizens to vote in their local elections (Takoma Park, Barnesville, Martin's Additions, Somerset, Chevy Chase Sections 3 and 5, Glen Echo, Garrett Park, Hyattsville, and Mount Rainer). San Francisco allows noncitizens parents to vote in School Board elections (beginning in 2018).
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« Reply #5 on: September 13, 2017, 08:45:39 am »
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Good, good, give more ammunition to the Republican outlets to rage over. Fantastic.
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« Reply #6 on: September 13, 2017, 08:52:46 am »
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This...this can't be constitutional, let alone should not be allowed.

One of the privileges of being a citizen is having the right to vote.  You can't just walk into the United States and vote.

This is ridiculous.
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« Reply #7 on: September 13, 2017, 08:55:42 am »
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College Park is like Berkeley east.  No surprise.
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« Reply #8 on: September 13, 2017, 08:59:47 am »
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I would have no problem with this if it were limited to immigrant aliens, i.e. green card holders. Immigrant aliens have virtually all of the rights and responsibilities of citizens anyway, including the right to participate in the political process. But extending the right to non-immigrant aliens and even illegal aliens is insane.

Is that Constitutional?

It was common practice for most of the 19th century.

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Since 1996, a federal law has prohibited non-citizens from voting in federal elections, punishing them by fines, imprisonment, inadmissibility, and deportation.[3][4][5] Exempt from punishment is any non-citizen who "reasonably believed at the time of voting (...) that he or she was a citizen of the United States," had a parent who is or was a citizen, and began permanently living in the United States before turning 16 years old.[3] The federal law does not prohibit non-citizens from voting in state or local elections, but no state has allowed non-citizens to vote in state elections since Arkansas became the last state to outlaw non-citizen voting in 1926.[6] 11 local governments, 10 of them in Maryland, allow non-citizens to vote in their local elections (Takoma Park, Barnesville, Martin's Additions, Somerset, Chevy Chase Sections 3 and 5, Glen Echo, Garrett Park, Hyattsville, and Mount Rainer). San Francisco allows noncitizens parents to vote in School Board elections (beginning in 2018).

Yeah, but there is a difference between non-citizen voting and illegal immigrant voting.
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« Reply #9 on: September 13, 2017, 09:00:24 am »
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I am shocked, shocked I tell you, at all the conservatives dismissing state and local authority.
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« Reply #10 on: September 13, 2017, 09:06:25 am »
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This...this can't be constitutional, let alone should not be allowed.

One of the privileges of being a citizen is having the right to vote.  You can't just walk into the United States and vote.

This is ridiculous.

I can't think of any grounds on which it could be declared unconstitutional.
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« Reply #11 on: September 13, 2017, 09:28:51 am »
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Doing it for illegal immigrants seems really odd but allowing non-citizens to vote in local elections is very reasonable and the law here in Sweden.
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« Reply #12 on: September 13, 2017, 09:30:35 am »
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This...this can't be constitutional, let alone should not be allowed.

One of the privileges of being a citizen is having the right to vote.  You can't just walk into the United States and vote.

This is ridiculous.

I can't think of any grounds on which it could be declared unconstitutional.

I did look back at the 15th Amendment.  It does look like it's up to interpretation since it doesn't explicitly state that non-citizens can't vote.  It just outlines how citizens can vote.

If I were a judge or justice, however, I would strike it down.
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« Reply #13 on: September 13, 2017, 09:33:00 am »
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IF they're legal non-citizens, and it's limited to local elections, I'm okay with it, but that's it. Anything beyond that is too much.
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« Reply #14 on: September 13, 2017, 09:36:01 am »
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IF they're legal non-citizens, and it's limited to local elections, I'm okay with it, but that's it. Anything beyond that is too much.

I can agree with this as a compromise.
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« Reply #15 on: September 13, 2017, 09:42:55 am »
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IF they're legal non-citizens, and it's limited to local elections, I'm okay with it, but that's it. Anything beyond that is too much.

I can agree with this as a compromise.

The illegal immigrant part is the entire issue. There is no "compromise".
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« Reply #16 on: September 13, 2017, 09:46:34 am »
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IF they're legal non-citizens, and it's limited to local elections, I'm okay with it, but that's it. Anything beyond that is too much.

It is only for local elections, and, as was mentioned, is not uncommon in Maryland.

College Park is like Berkeley east.  No surprise.

lol.  If you're going to say some Maryland suburb is like Berkeley, the answer is obviously Takoma Park.  College Park is... really painfully un-Berkeley-like.
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« Reply #17 on: September 13, 2017, 12:37:56 pm »
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This...this can't be constitutional, let alone should not be allowed.

One of the privileges of being a citizen is having the right to vote.  You can't just walk into the United States and vote.

This is ridiculous.

I can't think of any grounds on which it could be declared unconstitutional.

I did look back at the 15th Amendment.  It does look like it's up to interpretation since it doesn't explicitly state that non-citizens can't vote.  It just outlines how citizens can vote.

If I were a judge or justice, however, I would strike it down.

The 15th Amendment has nothing to do with it.

It sounds like you're saying that you would strike the law down on policy grounds without any sound legal reasoning for doing so. Isn't that the "judicial activism" you blue avatars are always railing against?

Obviously a state law could put an end to this. A federal prohibition? Less clear.
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« Reply #18 on: September 13, 2017, 01:01:05 pm »
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As it should be.
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« Reply #19 on: September 13, 2017, 01:30:34 pm »
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This...this can't be constitutional, let alone should not be allowed.

One of the privileges of being a citizen is having the right to vote.  You can't just walk into the United States and vote.

This is ridiculous.

I mean, you can be for or against this (it seems clear based on the narrowness of the vote that it was a controversial decision within the community), but a great deal of 19th-century precedent suggests that this is constitutional, and would in fact be constitutional if adopted on the state level; it is only federal elections (so, presidential and congressional races) that non-citizens are constitutionally barred from voting in.
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« Reply #20 on: September 13, 2017, 01:34:21 pm »
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This...this can't be constitutional, let alone should not be allowed.

One of the privileges of being a citizen is having the right to vote.  You can't just walk into the United States and vote.

This is ridiculous.

I can't think of any grounds on which it could be declared unconstitutional.

I did look back at the 15th Amendment.  It does look like it's up to interpretation since it doesn't explicitly state that non-citizens can't vote.  It just outlines how citizens can vote.

If I were a judge or justice, however, I would strike it down.

The 15th Amendment has nothing to do with it.

It sounds like you're saying that you would strike the law down on policy grounds without any sound legal reasoning for doing so. Isn't that the "judicial activism" you blue avatars are always railing against?

Obviously a state law could put an end to this. A federal prohibition? Less clear.

Ok thank you for the clarification

EDIT: Thanks as well, Vosem
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« Reply #21 on: September 13, 2017, 01:43:04 pm »
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« Reply #22 on: September 13, 2017, 02:22:19 pm »
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How would an illegal resident register to vote? Or they could just walk in and vote without having to give their name or anything? I always have to say who I am at least and and give my address so they can check me off of their list from my registration.
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« Reply #23 on: September 13, 2017, 02:24:47 pm »
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How would an illegal resident register to vote? Or they could just walk in and vote without having to give their name or anything? I always have to say who I am at least and and give my address so they can check me off of their list from my registration.
At least in the past, illegal immigrants from NY/NJ sometimes went to Maryland to get driver's licenses.
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« Reply #24 on: September 13, 2017, 03:22:42 pm »
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IF they're legal non-citizens, and it's limited to local elections, I'm okay with it, but that's it. Anything beyond that is too much.

Pretty much this.
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