College students don't understand the 1st Amendment, at all

[dead0man]

link - Brookings

The highlights of the highlights.
only 39% of college students think the 1st protects hate speech
62% of Dem students think it's ok to shout down a speaker they disagree with
19% of all students think it's ok to use violence to stop a speaker they don't agree with
62% of all students think every event on campus should have someone from the "other side" to argue their points

freaking disgusting

[Chief Justice Keef]

Boo-hoo.

[MasterJedi]

The events would be the same on the other side. Just go look, not hard to find.

[Horus]

Yeah, that's pretty scary.

[dead0man]

The events would be the same on the other side. Just go look, not hard to find.

I don't understand this statement.

[Person Man]

I saw this survey as well. It's not really the fault of Democrats or Republicans in this group for why this group has such illiberal views. For one illiberal view 60% of Democrats have on 1A, 40% of Republican youth hold the same view. For one illiberal view 60% of Republicans have, the Democratic kids hold it at a rate of 40%.

There is one thing I agree with such "illiberal" views. I think its something worth trying but I am not passionate about it. That view is that maybe there should be some sort of experimentation with "fairness doctrines" on college campuses.

[MasterJedi]

The events would be the same on the other side. Just go look, not hard to find.

I don't understand this statement.

Yeah, not surprised but conservatives want CNN and MSNBC shut down because of their content. They want all liberal protesters shot, etc. They don't believe in free speech either.

[Person Man]

The events would be the same on the other side. Just go look, not hard to find.

I don't understand this statement.

Yeah, not surprised but conservatives want CNN and MSNBC shut down because of their content. They want all liberal protesters shot, etc. They don't believe in free speech either.

"both sides", right?

[MasterJedi]

The events would be the same on the other side. Just go look, not hard to find.

I don't understand this statement.

Yeah, not surprised but conservatives want CNN and MSNBC shut down because of their content. They want all liberal protesters shot, etc. They don't believe in free speech either.

"both sides", right?

Yes, both sides do it, doesn't make it right at all. It's clear to see why it's worsening though since both sides want to suppress the other. Equally wrong.

[RINO Tom]

Boo-hoo.

I agree.  Boo-hoo to these worthless snowflake pieces of shlt.

[Nyvin]

Good!  Crush all opposition to the liberal agenda!!

[Person Man]

The events would be the same on the other side. Just go look, not hard to find.

I don't understand this statement.

I agree this poll is somewhat disturbing (though it has some misleading wording). I think the point he's getting at is literally just look at the polls of how conservatives think liberal colleges should be shut down or how protests by Black Lives Matter should not be allowed to occur (think what you will of BLM, but they are also protected by the 1st Amendment). #bothsides

For every anti-fa attack, it appears that there is a state legislature advocating state-sponsored terrorism against their political opponents. The result was the attack in Charlotteville.

"Get out the phuck out of the road!" is the new "Allahu Akbar!"

[dead0man]

The events would be the same on the other side. Just go look, not hard to find.

I don't understand this statement.

Yeah, not surprised but conservatives want CNN and MSNBC shut down because of their content. They want all liberal protesters shot, etc. They don't believe in free speech either.

oh, sure.  Those guys are assholes too.  This is when it's good to be on the side that is 100% in agreement with liberal values.

[Chunk Yogurt for President!]

The thing is that right-wing students have no power on college campuses.  They are clearly a small minority.  Even if they wanted to shut down leftist speech they would have no means of doing so.

[dead0man]

Perhaps they will try and mimic their classmates on the left?


Do the people that defend this kind of thing (or handwave it away, or try to make fun of the people bringing it up as in the other thread) not see what this will lead to?

[Devout Centrist]

Wasn't Cora banned from here? Isn't that shutting down a speaker?

Stop making vanity threads. This is your third one today.

[dead0man]

You must be a college student.

[JerryArkansas]

You must be a college student.

We're not the middle-aged man who spends all his time on a website arguing with those more than 20 years younger than himself.  Nothing better to do with that thing you call a life?

[dead0man]

You must be a college student.

...

well, see, you don't understand the 1st Amendment (you think Cora getting banned here involves it somehow) and you want to stop people from saying things you don't like.  And with what the thread is about....kind of funny.  Doubly so if you actually are a college student.


(and the only things true in your rant was that I do enjoy triggering liberals and I'm a middle aged male, at least you didn't mention bowling shirts....not all stereotypes are accurate, especially ones made up in your mind)

[dead0man]

You must be a college student.

We're not the middle-aged man who spends all his time on a website arguing with those more than 20 years younger than himself.  Nothing better to do with that thing you call a life?

right, 'cause young adults spending time on here arguing with people 20 years older than them is a great example of life living!

[Ban my account ffs!]

Once again I am reminded of the song lyrics

Two big teams are forming and they're both no fun
Now that the furies are loose

[Devout Centrist]

You must be a college student.

...

well, see, you don't understand the 1st Amendment (you think Cora getting banned here involves it somehow) and you want to stop people from saying things you don't like.  And with what the thread is about....kind of funny.  Doubly so if you actually are a college student.


(and the only things true in your rant was that I do enjoy triggering liberals and I'm a middle aged male, at least you didn't mention bowling shirts....not all stereotypes are accurate, especially ones made up in your mind)

Please tell me how the first amendment applies to speakers getting disinvited from private universities.

See unless you hold that we must give special protection to people who hold erm 'controversial' viewpoints, disinviting speakers from private universities is not infringing on the first amendment anymore than banning Cora.

Also I don't support criminalizing hate speech.

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Oh man, you are trying way too hard

[dead0man]

Please show me where I've suggested private universities shouldn't be able to dis-invite speakers?  Keep in mind Berkeley is in California and has the Leonard Law.

[White Trash]

Remember kids, it's only okay when those that agree with you pull the "Muh Both Sides Do It" card.

[JA]

Only one of those questions pertains to the actual application of the First Amendment and its content, which was "Does the First Amendment protect hate speech?" On that question, the political divide between Democrats and Republicans is almost statistically insignificant (a mere 5%). I suspect the cause of this stems from ongoing debate concerning whether the First Amendment protects hate speech or not; there are some voices that support the perspective that it shouldn't. So, I suspect there is a confusion over should and does.

The other three questions do not concern themselves with the legal application of the First Amendment, but whether or not college students support an environment conducive to speech from potentially unsavory perspectives and voices. Why should a person such as Milo be allowed, not from a legal perspective, but rather from a social one, to speak freely and spew hate? Yes, it is perfectly acceptable to shout down such speakers and, in certain circumstances, violence may even be acceptable. Fascism should never be tolerated. Although we cannot suppress it legally, we can socially.