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« on: September 22, 2017, 01:12:14 PM »

Lol.

Reported from CNN.
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« Reply #1 on: September 22, 2017, 01:15:37 PM »

I bet Donnie's wishing he hadn't made that crack about POWs.

Kidding/not kidding.
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« Reply #2 on: September 22, 2017, 01:16:23 PM »

He needs to resign.
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« Reply #3 on: September 22, 2017, 01:17:12 PM »

The brain cancer's affecting his judgment.
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« Reply #4 on: September 22, 2017, 01:18:00 PM »

Anticipating so many alt-right tears on this thread.
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« Reply #5 on: September 22, 2017, 01:18:45 PM »

Good. Now that the populist right has been defeated, we can now defeat the populist left then move on to improving Obamacare itself.
What is populist about walking on poor and sick white people?
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« Reply #6 on: September 22, 2017, 01:18:56 PM »

Anticipating so many alt-right tears on this thread.

I have no sympathy for people whose political position is to threaten the wellness and livelihood of over 20 million Americans.
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« Reply #7 on: September 22, 2017, 01:22:42 PM »

It's a moot point now, but how were they able to use reconciliation on this when there wasn't a CBO score to tell the effect it would have on the deficit?
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« Reply #8 on: September 22, 2017, 01:22:54 PM »

Anticipating so many alt-right tears on this thread.

I have no sympathy for people whose political position is to threaten the wellness and livelihood of over 20 million Americans.

The 20 million figure, which is based on flimsy assumptions (although any assumption of this nature is going to be flimsy), is mostly voluntary withdrawals from the market due to repeal of the individual mandate. However, there is no question that many people (just not 20 million) would legitimately see their quality of life reduced by this bill.
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« Reply #9 on: September 22, 2017, 01:24:33 PM »

Anticipating so many alt-right tears on this thread.

I have no sympathy for people whose political position is to threaten the wellness and livelihood of over 20 million Americans.

The 20 million figure, which is based on flimsy assumptions (although any assumption of this nature is going to be flimsy), is mostly voluntary withdrawals from the market due to repeal of the individual mandate. However, there is no question that many people (just not 20 million) would legitimately see their quality of life reduced by this bill.

Do you consider it a voluntary withdrawal if a person stops participating because the premiums rise to a level that they decide they can't afford it anymore?
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« Reply #10 on: September 22, 2017, 01:25:34 PM »

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« Reply #11 on: September 22, 2017, 01:26:23 PM »

Anticipating so many alt-right tears on this thread.

I have no sympathy for people whose political position is to threaten the wellness and livelihood of over 20 million Americans.

The 20 million figure, which is based on flimsy assumptions (although any assumption of this nature is going to be flimsy), is mostly voluntary withdrawals from the market due to repeal of the individual mandate. However, there is no question that many people (just not 20 million) would legitimately see their quality of life reduced by this bill.

Not only that, but Arch supports single payer, which threatens to simply erase private health plans for 145 million americans, without guaranteeing they will have the same access to the level of care that plan was providing them.
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« Reply #12 on: September 22, 2017, 01:26:31 PM »

Yep. Time for Trump to resign.
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« Reply #13 on: September 22, 2017, 01:28:09 PM »


I'm starting to wish we did UK style resignations if a president's major policy initiative fails. Especially if his own party is in control. This is essentially a vote of no confidence.
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« Reply #14 on: September 22, 2017, 01:28:13 PM »

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« Reply #15 on: September 22, 2017, 01:28:29 PM »

Thank you John McCain, proud I voted for you in 08!

To all the Trumpers and far right nuts:

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« Reply #16 on: September 22, 2017, 01:32:35 PM »

Just to be clear ,

it's evil when a policy "threatens" the health insurance plans of 20 million people

but it's ok when a policy threatens to extinguish/dramatically scale back the entire private health insurance market, which currently insures 140 million Americans
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« Reply #17 on: September 22, 2017, 01:33:34 PM »


That's not going to happen. Lol.
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« Reply #18 on: September 22, 2017, 01:34:29 PM »


I'm starting to wish we did UK style resignations if a president's major policy initiative fails. Especially if his own party is in control. This is essentially a vote of no confidence.

If Pence was President, O-care would be history by now.
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« Reply #19 on: September 22, 2017, 01:34:59 PM »

Just to be clear ,

it's evil when a policy "threatens" the health insurance plans of 20 million people

but it's ok when a policy threatens to extinguish/dramatically scale back the entire private health insurance market, which currently insures 140 million Americans

This is not a binary choice between Graham-Cassidy (or the other repeal efforts) and single-payer.  There are other options.
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« Reply #20 on: September 22, 2017, 01:35:36 PM »

Anticipating so many alt-right tears on this thread.

I have no sympathy for people whose political position is to threaten the wellness and livelihood of over 20 million Americans.

The 20 million figure, which is based on flimsy assumptions (although any assumption of this nature is going to be flimsy), is mostly voluntary withdrawals from the market due to repeal of the individual mandate. However, there is no question that many people (just not 20 million) would legitimately see their quality of life reduced by this bill.

Not only that, but Arch supports single payer, which threatens to simply erase private health plans for 145 million americans, without guaranteeing they will have the same access to the level of care that plan was providing them.

It depends on the single payer option you're envisioning, but there is a public option in Puerto Rico, and there are plenty of private insurance companies, some local, doing very well regardless. Furthermore, even in the case of full universal coverage for everyone, private insurance companies would still be needed for foreign travel care and the like.

I like single payer, but a public option would be a great compromise, and a step in the right direction.

Also this:

Just to be clear ,

it's evil when a policy "threatens" the health insurance plans of 20 million people

but it's ok when a policy threatens to extinguish/dramatically scale back the entire private health insurance market, which currently insures 140 million Americans

This is not a binary choice between Graham-Cassidy (or the other repeal efforts) and single-payer.  There are other options.
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« Reply #21 on: September 22, 2017, 01:37:54 PM »

Anticipating so many alt-right tears on this thread.

I have no sympathy for people whose political position is to threaten the wellness and livelihood of over 20 million Americans.

The 20 million figure, which is based on flimsy assumptions (although any assumption of this nature is going to be flimsy), is mostly voluntary withdrawals from the market due to repeal of the individual mandate. However, there is no question that many people (just not 20 million) would legitimately see their quality of life reduced by this bill.

Not only that, but Arch supports single payer, which threatens to simply erase private health plans for 145 million americans, without guaranteeing they will have the same access to the level of care that plan was providing them.

It depends on the single payer option you're envisioning, but there is a public option in Puerto Rico, and there are plenty of private insurance companies, some local, doing very well regardless. Furthermore, even in the case of full universal coverage for everyone, private insurance companies would still be needed for foreign travel care and the like.

I like single payer, but a public option would be a great compromise, and a step in the right direction.

Also this:

Just to be clear ,

it's evil when a policy "threatens" the health insurance plans of 20 million people

but it's ok when a policy threatens to extinguish/dramatically scale back the entire private health insurance market, which currently insures 140 million Americans

This is not a binary choice between Graham-Cassidy (or the other repeal efforts) and single-payer.  There are other options.

Think of it this way: Every business that offers healthcare to their employees would be over the moon if they could ditch it and the government provide it. It's VERY expensive for them and they would drop that like the plague if they could.
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« Reply #22 on: September 22, 2017, 01:57:19 PM »

When you get to where McCain is, you realize what's really important.
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« Reply #23 on: September 22, 2017, 01:59:53 PM »

When you get to where McCain is, you realize what's really important.

He's been a horrible long before his current health situation.
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« Reply #24 on: September 22, 2017, 02:00:27 PM »

I love how John McCain is unintentionally protecting the legacy of President Obama.
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