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« Reply #25 on: October 21, 2017, 10:16:09 am »

WI does have free ID that is acceptable for voting. However, it's at the DMV, which has limited hours and as previously mentioned, it's often difficult for poor minorities to get there and also have the appropriate paperwork on hand.

In addition, my husband, who has a perfectly acceptable ID for voting, was initially turned away because his printed driver's license address didn't match his voter's registration. We moved recently, and WI allows you to update your driver's license without printing a new one, which is the option we opted for.

However, the picture ID is not to determine your address, it is to determine your identity. He was turned away in error. Luckily I had already voted and he knew this (and we both came with proof of address as well), so he pushed to get the issue resolved and was able to vote after talking to a supervisor. However, this makes me wonder how many other eligible voters were turned away in similar situations and didn't press the issue? Again, minority and poor urban folks are more likely to have moved without updating or printing a new driver's license. So even though their ID was appropriate for voting, uninformed poll workers could have turned them away.

In addition, one of our congressmen openly admitted that voter ID laws help the GOP.

The difference between Hillary and Trump in Wisconsin was about 27k votes. If this study is correct (and my guess is that it under-estimates, rather than over-estimates) it's very possible that the results could have been much closer, if not reversed, without this law. Of course, not all the prevented votes would be for Clinton, but the majority likely would have been.
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« Reply #26 on: October 21, 2017, 06:45:32 pm »

I doubt lack of voter ID would have put the state in Clinton's hands. None of the studies about this have been as conclusive as they claim to be. However, this isn't to say that it didn't prevent thousands from voting. The real argument here is why should people have to put up with a political party making it even slightly harder to vote just to help them win elections? Why is that ok? All this griping from Republicans about a dozen fraudulent votes here and there, but crickets when it comes to the hundreds or even thousands of people who can't vote because they lack proper ID (or think they lack the right identification).

If Republicans insist it's not about helping them win elections (numerous officials and operatives remarks say otherwise, but ok), then for every restriction they add that hurts turnout, like voter ID, they should add something else that boosts turnout, like automatic voter registration, county-wide polling places and more early voting sites. Oh, but guess what, WI Republicans tried to cut all of that. They were even eyeing rolling back same-day registration until they found out how much it would cost. That doesn't look like a party that cares about election integrity. That looks like a party who wants to turn election law on its head so they can suppress Democratic voters.
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« Reply #27 on: December 19, 2017, 11:54:28 am »

This study was only done in two blue counties.  What were the results in the rest of the state?  Classic cherry-picking to push left-wing talking points.
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« Reply #28 on: December 19, 2017, 11:55:20 am »

I doubt lack of voter ID would have put the state in Clinton's hands. None of the studies about this have been as conclusive as they claim to be.
Exactly.  Trump won there because of working class backlash against free trade and illegal immigration, not photo ID laws.
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« Reply #29 on: December 19, 2017, 12:19:49 pm »

This study was only done in two blue counties.  What were the results in the rest of the state?  Classic cherry-picking to push left-wing talking points.

So if they studied the rest of the state, would they find that Voter ID laws caused more people to vote in conservative counties, which counterbalanced the drop in turnout in Democratic areas?
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