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« on: September 29, 2017, 08:39:44 pm »

So why does it "discourage" people from voting?

According to this website, you can just show a driver's license to vote.  in fact, there are quite a few options.

http://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/voter-id.aspx

Not everyone has a driver's license.
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« Reply #1 on: September 29, 2017, 08:48:31 pm »

So why does it "discourage" people from voting?

According to this website, you can just show a driver's license to vote.  in fact, there are quite a few options.

http://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/voter-id.aspx

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because every single person has a driver's license. WTF dude?

As I said, there are quite a few options:

-Wisconsin driver's license
-ID card issued by a U.S. uniformed service
-Wisconsin non-driver ID
-U.S. Passport
-Certificate of naturalization issued not more than 2 years before the election
-ID card issued by a federally recognized Indian tribe in WI
-Student ID card with a signature, an issue date, and an expiration date no later than 2 years after the election
-a photo ID card provided by the Veteran's Health Administration

The only one of those that's really available to everyone is the "non-driver ID" (passports cost money and people who don't travel abroad don't bother). And non-driver IDs are still a hassle to get. Also I went to a major state university and my ID from there would not pass muster according to this test. I don't know if schools in Wisconsin are different, but there are students from Wisconsin who attend out of state schools.

Also you realize that the people supporting these laws have admitted that they're doing it for partisan reasons. Why are you defending people who have actively refuted your defenses of them?
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« Reply #2 on: September 30, 2017, 01:41:58 pm »

So why does it "discourage" people from voting?

According to this website, you can just show a driver's license to vote.  in fact, there are quite a few options.

http://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/voter-id.aspx

...

because every single person has a driver's license. WTF dude?

As I said, there are quite a few options:

-Wisconsin driver's license
-ID card issued by a U.S. uniformed service
-Wisconsin non-driver ID
-U.S. Passport
-Certificate of naturalization issued not more than 2 years before the election
-ID card issued by a federally recognized Indian tribe in WI
-Student ID card with a signature, an issue date, and an expiration date no later than 2 years after the election
-a photo ID card provided by the Veteran's Health Administration

The only one of those that's really available to everyone is the "non-driver ID" (passports cost money and people who don't travel abroad don't bother). And non-driver IDs are still a hassle to get. Also I went to a major state university and my ID from there would not pass muster according to this test. I don't know if schools in Wisconsin are different, but there are students from Wisconsin who attend out of state schools.

Also you realize that the people supporting these laws have admitted that they're doing it for partisan reasons. Why are you defending people who have actively refuted your defenses of them?

Those people are idiots.

No, they're just more honest than you.
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« Reply #3 on: September 30, 2017, 11:01:13 pm »

So why does it "discourage" people from voting?

According to this website, you can just show a driver's license to vote.  in fact, there are quite a few options.

http://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/voter-id.aspx

...

because every single person has a driver's license. WTF dude?

As I said, there are quite a few options:

-Wisconsin driver's license
-ID card issued by a U.S. uniformed service
-Wisconsin non-driver ID
-U.S. Passport
-Certificate of naturalization issued not more than 2 years before the election
-ID card issued by a federally recognized Indian tribe in WI
-Student ID card with a signature, an issue date, and an expiration date no later than 2 years after the election
-a photo ID card provided by the Veteran's Health Administration

The only one of those that's really available to everyone is the "non-driver ID" (passports cost money and people who don't travel abroad don't bother). And non-driver IDs are still a hassle to get. Also I went to a major state university and my ID from there would not pass muster according to this test. I don't know if schools in Wisconsin are different, but there are students from Wisconsin who attend out of state schools.

Also you realize that the people supporting these laws have admitted that they're doing it for partisan reasons. Why are you defending people who have actively refuted your defenses of them?

Those people are idiots.

No, they're just more honest than you.

Whatever you say.



OK. What exactly is the benefit of having voter ID laws without providing free, easy, mandatory IDs to everyone?
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« Reply #4 on: October 01, 2017, 11:38:23 am »

So why does it "discourage" people from voting?

According to this website, you can just show a driver's license to vote.  in fact, there are quite a few options.

http://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/voter-id.aspx

...

because every single person has a driver's license. WTF dude?

As I said, there are quite a few options:

-Wisconsin driver's license
-ID card issued by a U.S. uniformed service
-Wisconsin non-driver ID
-U.S. Passport
-Certificate of naturalization issued not more than 2 years before the election
-ID card issued by a federally recognized Indian tribe in WI
-Student ID card with a signature, an issue date, and an expiration date no later than 2 years after the election
-a photo ID card provided by the Veteran's Health Administration

The only one of those that's really available to everyone is the "non-driver ID" (passports cost money and people who don't travel abroad don't bother). And non-driver IDs are still a hassle to get. Also I went to a major state university and my ID from there would not pass muster according to this test. I don't know if schools in Wisconsin are different, but there are students from Wisconsin who attend out of state schools.

Also you realize that the people supporting these laws have admitted that they're doing it for partisan reasons. Why are you defending people who have actively refuted your defenses of them?

Those people are idiots.

No, they're just more honest than you.

Whatever you say.



OK. What exactly is the benefit of having voter ID laws without providing free, easy, mandatory IDs to everyone?

I would prefer free, easy, mandatory IDs. It limits confusion. I just donít think Wisconsinís is an attack of any sort.

You didn't answer my question.
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« Reply #5 on: October 09, 2017, 01:08:09 am »

So why does it "discourage" people from voting?

According to this website, you can just show a driver's license to vote.  in fact, there are quite a few options.

http://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/voter-id.aspx

...

because every single person has a driver's license. WTF dude?

As I said, there are quite a few options:

-Wisconsin driver's license
-ID card issued by a U.S. uniformed service
-Wisconsin non-driver ID
-U.S. Passport
-Certificate of naturalization issued not more than 2 years before the election
-ID card issued by a federally recognized Indian tribe in WI
-Student ID card with a signature, an issue date, and an expiration date no later than 2 years after the election
-a photo ID card provided by the Veteran's Health Administration

The only one of those that's really available to everyone is the "non-driver ID" (passports cost money and people who don't travel abroad don't bother). And non-driver IDs are still a hassle to get. Also I went to a major state university and my ID from there would not pass muster according to this test. I don't know if schools in Wisconsin are different, but there are students from Wisconsin who attend out of state schools.

Also you realize that the people supporting these laws have admitted that they're doing it for partisan reasons. Why are you defending people who have actively refuted your defenses of them?

Those people are idiots.

No, they're just more honest than you.

Whatever you say.



OK. What exactly is the benefit of having voter ID laws without providing free, easy, mandatory IDs to everyone?

I would prefer free, easy, mandatory IDs. It limits confusion. I just donít think Wisconsinís is an attack of any sort.

You didn't answer my question.

Itís a step in the right direction to limiting voter fraud. Im not gonna pretend like I understand the schematics behind why there is an extremely small price for things like non-driver license ID, but it certainly isnít to limit voter access. As I said, though, free mandatory ID would be better.

A small price is still enough to discourage the poor from voting, esp. when getting the ID is such a hassle.

But again, I still fail to see how it "discourages" minorities from voting.

Because getting an ID is difficult. We just went over this.
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« Reply #6 on: December 19, 2017, 12:19:49 pm »

This study was only done in two blue counties.  What were the results in the rest of the state?  Classic cherry-picking to push left-wing talking points.

So if they studied the rest of the state, would they find that Voter ID laws caused more people to vote in conservative counties, which counterbalanced the drop in turnout in Democratic areas?
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