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« on: September 30, 2017, 12:17:30 PM »

So should we say, because of Sanders becoming the face of the party, that Democrats are becoming the face of the extreme left? No, just like we shouldn't say the opposite.

And it's Alabama.  Running someone like Moore against someone like Phil Scott in Vermont isn't going to work.

Bernie is intellectually ideological and that's fine and many may disagree but his ideology is rooted in an intellectually consistent belief in things like social democracy. I disagree with him on several things and I supported Hillary in 2016. But there are essentially 0 Democrats who have an insidious, toxic mere presence in the vein of Trump or Moore. The whole embrace of Trump as the conservative populist savior is intellectually inconsistent and dishonest. It's breathtaking.

Coraxion, genocide deniers The Young Turks, Antifa, and Occupy Wall Street might want to talk to you. Come on - Pramila Jayapal, Ben Jealous, Kshama Sawant, David Zuckerman... A lot of very left wing people are beginning to gain popularity. The Democrats almost elected Keith Ellison as their DNC Chair.

Name one way Keith Ellison is remotely is toxic as a thousand top Republicans from Trump et al other than being from a scary scary religion
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« Reply #1 on: October 04, 2017, 12:38:32 AM »

So should we say, because of Sanders becoming the face of the party, that Democrats are becoming the face of the extreme left? No, just like we shouldn't say the opposite.

And it's Alabama.  Running someone like Moore against someone like Phil Scott in Vermont isn't going to work.

Bernie is intellectually ideological and that's fine and many may disagree but his ideology is rooted in an intellectually consistent belief in things like social democracy. I disagree with him on several things and I supported Hillary in 2016. But there are essentially 0 Democrats who have an insidious, toxic mere presence in the vein of Trump or Moore. The whole embrace of Trump as the conservative populist savior is intellectually inconsistent and dishonest. It's breathtaking.

Coraxion, genocide deniers The Young Turks, Antifa, and Occupy Wall Street might want to talk to you. Come on - Pramila Jayapal, Ben Jealous, Kshama Sawant, David Zuckerman... A lot of very left wing people are beginning to gain popularity. The Democrats almost elected Keith Ellison as their DNC Chair.

Name one way Keith Ellison is remotely is toxic as a thousand top Republicans from Trump et al other than being from a scary scary religion

Pardon me if I'm distracting from your, I assume clever-as-ever, point, but please don't accuse me of Islamophobia using an implication. I doubt you meant to do so, but please, please don't try that with me.

You are the one that listed Ellison among the supposedly toxic radicals of the democratic party. His voting record it really isn't any more liberal then most of the Congressional Black Caucus and a substantial number of white Democrats as well. So why would you possibly include him on that list. I don't think you even did it intentionally out of personal islamophobia, but I do think you're so affected by this stupid the other side's just as bad argument that you're regurgitating talking points that inevitably do list Ellison because of his religion.

Again, it's your comparison listing him as an example for otherwise in decipherable reasons, and yours alone.
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