Do you think that Donald Trump is a fascist?

[HisGrace]

He's not alert enough to have a political ideology.

Agree. He's not smart enough to have a consistent set of beliefs, he just gets up and does whatever he feels like doing on a particular day.

The alt-right movement in general is watered-down fascism, though.

[Lord Admirale]

No, that's like when conservatives kept calling Barack Obama a communist. It's stupid.

[136or142]

No. Actual fascists are actually competent to some degree.

It's a complete myth that Mussolini was competent and Franco was hopelessly incompetent.

I don't know much about Franco, but with Mussolini it was just that the Italian military was incompetent.

For instance, it's a complete myth that Mussolini 'made the trains run on time.'

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

To the extent that Donald Trump is a fascist, it's a very good thing he is a fascist. He doesn't support any of the bad things associated with fascism (doing away with electoral democracy, genocide) but he supports many of the good or neutral things about fascism (economic populism, patriotism).

I hope you're being sarcastic here. Because what he's done is the exact opposite.

Jingoism is not patriotism. Neither is dividing your nation into Us and Them.

[136or142]

No, that's like when conservatives kept calling Barack Obama a communist. It's stupid.

This is a logical fallacy known as 'false equivalence.'

[Santander]

No. Actual fascists are actually competent to some degree.

It's a complete myth that Mussolini was competent and Franco was hopelessly incompetent.

I don't know much about Franco, but with Mussolini it was just that the Italian military was incompetent.

For instance, it's a complete myth that Mussolini 'made the trains run on time.'

Italians making the trains run on time! Ha, that's a good one!

[Mr. Reactionary]

No, that's like when conservatives kept calling Barack Obama a communist. It's stupid.

This is a logical fallacy known as 'false equivalence.'

True, since there were significantly fewer conservatives falsely labeling Obama as a communist compared to lefties falsely labeling Trump a nazi/fascist.

The point Moderate Democrat made though is true in that it is stupid to claim either Obama or Trump are Communists or Fascists respectively.

[136or142]

No, that's like when conservatives kept calling Barack Obama a communist. It's stupid.

This is a logical fallacy known as 'false equivalence.'

True, since there were significantly fewer conservatives falsely labeling Obama as a communist compared to lefties falsely labeling Trump a nazi/fascist.

The point Moderate Democrat made though is true in that it is stupid to claim either Obama or Trump are Communists or Fascists respectively.

No, the false equivalence is that Obama had no communist tendencies, while Trump does, in fact, have many fascist tendencies.

Nice try though.

You must also not be familiar with the modern conservative movement if you truly believe that very few of them referred to Obama as a communist.  Most conservatives I know refer to Obama as a 'socialist' and believe that communism/socialism/liberalism are all the same thing.

Every conservative I've asked what they mean by 'socialist' (I've personally asked a few dozen and seen the same comment independently from probably at least 100 others) reply to me "the government giving poor people free stuff.'

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

No, but he certainly is a fascist enabler.

[Mr. Reactionary]

No, that's like when conservatives kept calling Barack Obama a communist. It's stupid.

This is a logical fallacy known as 'false equivalence.'

True, since there were significantly fewer conservatives falsely labeling Obama as a communist compared to lefties falsely labeling Trump a nazi/fascist.

The point Moderate Democrat made though is true in that it is stupid to claim either Obama or Trump are Communists or Fascists respectively.

No, the false equivalence is that Obama had no communist tendencies, while Trump does, in fact, have many fascist tendencies.

Nice try though.

You must also not be familiar with the modern conservative movement if you truly believe that very few of them referred to Obama as a communist.  Most conservatives I know refer to Obama as a 'socialist' and believe that communism/socialism/liberalism are all the same thing.

Every conservative I've asked what they mean by 'socialist' (I've personally asked a few dozen and seen the same comment independently from probably at least 100 others) reply to me "the government giving poor people free stuff.'

So what "Fascist tendencies" are you referring to? I hope its not that joke list from page 1, because most of those "fascist tendencies" are not exclusive to fascism and can be applied to meanies from most ideologies, including Obama and Hillary.

[136or142]

No, that's like when conservatives kept calling Barack Obama a communist. It's stupid.

This is a logical fallacy known as 'false equivalence.'

True, since there were significantly fewer conservatives falsely labeling Obama as a communist compared to lefties falsely labeling Trump a nazi/fascist.

The point Moderate Democrat made though is true in that it is stupid to claim either Obama or Trump are Communists or Fascists respectively.

No, the false equivalence is that Obama had no communist tendencies, while Trump does, in fact, have many fascist tendencies.

Nice try though.

You must also not be familiar with the modern conservative movement if you truly believe that very few of them referred to Obama as a communist.  Most conservatives I know refer to Obama as a 'socialist' and believe that communism/socialism/liberalism are all the same thing.

Every conservative I've asked what they mean by 'socialist' (I've personally asked a few dozen and seen the same comment independently from probably at least 100 others) reply to me "the government giving poor people free stuff.'

So what "Fascist tendencies" are you referring to? I hope its not that joke list from page 1, because most of those "fascist tendencies" are not exclusive to fascism and can be applied to meanies from most ideologies, including Obama and Hillary.

If you think that list is a 'joke' then provide your definition of fascism.

That list is the standard definition of fascism used by many academic historians, though I have no doubt they debate aspects off it.  Again, the idea that the list can be applied to the likes of Obama is based on false equivalence.  There may be the odd example of Obama's eight year's in the White House that can fit into some of those 14 items, and a few more examples that can be stretched to fit, but there is nothing to the degree of Trump who acts as an 'aspirational fascist' virtually every day.

Hillary Clinton was never President, so she wasn't in a position to do most of the things on that list.

Although Amy Siskind uses the term 'authoritarian' she updates weekly a list of all the extreme activities of the Trump administration:
https://twitter.com/Amy_Siskind

[Friend]

I think this is a case of perception vs. reality. Maybe some see Trumps rhetoric as fascist like but nothing he done compares to truly fascist governments. Also its important to differentiate between what fascists promised in order to get into power and they actual did. Most of Trumps similarities are with the former.

[136or142]

I think this is a case of perception vs. reality. Maybe some see Trumps rhetoric as fascist like but nothing he done compares to truly fascist governments. Also its important to differentiate between what fascists promised in order to get into power and they actual did. Most of Trumps similarities are with the former.

Trump has actually does a lot of extreme things that the media generally doesn't report on because they focus on his extreme comments.  In addition to the list from Amy Siskind, Politico publishes a weekly "Five things Trump did this week while you weren't looking."

http://www.politico.com/agenda/story/2017/09/22/trump-policy-medicare-regulation-immigration-000533

http://www.politico.com/agenda/story/2017/09/15/trump-policy-regulation-driverless-cars-000522

http://www.politico.com/agenda/story/2017/09/01/trump-policy-fiduciary-rule-russia-police-military-000505

Many of the items reported by Politico tend to involve the Trump Administration's attempt to destroy the EPA with Scott Pruitt.  And I do literally mean the word 'destroy', I do not use it as hyperbole.

[Friend]

I think this is a case of perception vs. reality. Maybe some see Trumps rhetoric as fascist like but nothing he done compares to truly fascist governments. Also its important to differentiate between what fascists promised in order to get into power and they actual did. Most of Trumps similarities are with the former.

Trump has actually does a lot of extreme things that the media generally doesn't report on because they focus on his extreme comments.  In addition to the list from Amy Siskind, Politico publishes a weekly "Five things Trump did this week while you weren't looking."

Any specific examples of fascism though? Extreme does not mean fascist either.

[136or142]

I think this is a case of perception vs. reality. Maybe some see Trumps rhetoric as fascist like but nothing he done compares to truly fascist governments. Also its important to differentiate between what fascists promised in order to get into power and they actual did. Most of Trumps similarities are with the former.

Trump has actually does a lot of extreme things that the media generally doesn't report on because they focus on his extreme comments.  In addition to the list from Amy Siskind, Politico publishes a weekly "Five things Trump did this week while you weren't looking."

Any specific examples of fascism though? Extreme does not mean fascist either.

From September 1
1. Police can buy military equipment again - (re) militarizing the police
3. The fiduciary standard gets delayed for more than a year - Crony capitalism  (oddly crony capitalism is not on the list provided here, it is on the ones I've seen.)

From Amy Siskind's latest list  (none of these things were included in politico's stories which aren't complete list of the Trump Administrations actions, but are a list of five weekly items.)
17. US Army recruiters are canceling contracts with hundreds of immigrant recruits, exposing some to deportation. Recruiters claim the move is to eliminate onerous background investigations from the enlistment process. - fear of difference

19. McClatchy reported the Trump regime is considering a policy which would fast-track the deportation of thousands of unaccompanied Central American teenagers who arrived at the southern border.
20. More than 150k children who arrived at the southern border, escaping violence and poverty in El Salvador, Honduras and Guatemala, would be sent back when they turn 18, without seeing an immigration judge first.

[Lord Admirale]

No, that's like when conservatives kept calling Barack Obama a communist. It's stupid.

This is a logical fallacy known as 'false equivalence.'

Are you gonna accuse me of racism now? That seems to be your shtick.

[136or142]

No, that's like when conservatives kept calling Barack Obama a communist. It's stupid.

This is a logical fallacy known as 'false equivalence.'

Are you gonna accuse me of racism now? That seems to be your shtick.

Only if you say something racist.

Are you one of those who believe that free speech involves the right for you to say whatever you like while nobody has a right to respond?

My 'shtick' is actually to point out to the best of my abilities stupid comments or logical fallacies.  You just happened to have made two that I noticed in the last two or three days.

[Lord Admirale]

No, that's like when conservatives kept calling Barack Obama a communist. It's stupid.

This is a logical fallacy known as 'false equivalence.'

Are you gonna accuse me of racism now? That seems to be your shtick.

Only if you say something racist.

Which would probably be anything, after judging by what you said to me about Elizabeth Warren.

[Friend]

I think this is a case of perception vs. reality. Maybe some see Trumps rhetoric as fascist like but nothing he done compares to truly fascist governments. Also its important to differentiate between what fascists promised in order to get into power and they actual did. Most of Trumps similarities are with the former.

Trump has actually does a lot of extreme things that the media generally doesn't report on because they focus on his extreme comments.  In addition to the list from Amy Siskind, Politico publishes a weekly "Five things Trump did this week while you weren't looking."

Any specific examples of fascism though? Extreme does not mean fascist either.

From September 1
1. Police can buy military equipment again - (re) militarizing the police
3. The fiduciary standard gets delayed for more than a year - Crony capitalism  (oddly crony capitalism is not on the list provided here, it is on the ones I've seen.)

From Amy Siskind's latest list
17. US Army recruiters are canceling contracts with hundreds of immigrant recruits, exposing some to deportation. Recruiters claim the move is to eliminate onerous background investigations from the enlistment process. - fear of difference

19. McClatchy reported the Trump regime is considering a policy which would fast-track the deportation of thousands of unaccompanied Central American teenagers who arrived at the southern border.
20. More than 150k children who arrived at the southern border, escaping violence and poverty in El Salvador, Honduras and Guatemala, would be sent back when they turn 18, without seeing an immigration judge first.

1 is the only policy i would consider fascist. The policies that deal with illegals enforce laws already in place which is the executive's job. If you believe these are to promote a racist fascist agenda thats just your opinion not a fact.

[136or142]

No, that's like when conservatives kept calling Barack Obama a communist. It's stupid.

This is a logical fallacy known as 'false equivalence.'

Are you gonna accuse me of racism now? That seems to be your shtick.

Only if you say something racist.

Which would probably be anything, after judging by what you said to me about Elizabeth Warren.

Not likely.   Your anti Elizabeth Warren comments are clear examples of implicit/unconscious sexism.

I'm sure some of your best friends are women though.

[136or142]

I think this is a case of perception vs. reality. Maybe some see Trumps rhetoric as fascist like but nothing he done compares to truly fascist governments. Also its important to differentiate between what fascists promised in order to get into power and they actual did. Most of Trumps similarities are with the former.

Trump has actually does a lot of extreme things that the media generally doesn't report on because they focus on his extreme comments.  In addition to the list from Amy Siskind, Politico publishes a weekly "Five things Trump did this week while you weren't looking."

Any specific examples of fascism though? Extreme does not mean fascist either.

From September 1
1. Police can buy military equipment again - (re) militarizing the police
3. The fiduciary standard gets delayed for more than a year - Crony capitalism  (oddly crony capitalism is not on the list provided here, it is on the ones I've seen.)

From Amy Siskind's latest list
17. US Army recruiters are canceling contracts with hundreds of immigrant recruits, exposing some to deportation. Recruiters claim the move is to eliminate onerous background investigations from the enlistment process. - fear of difference

19. McClatchy reported the Trump regime is considering a policy which would fast-track the deportation of thousands of unaccompanied Central American teenagers who arrived at the southern border.
20. More than 150k children who arrived at the southern border, escaping violence and poverty in El Salvador, Honduras and Guatemala, would be sent back when they turn 18, without seeing an immigration judge first.

1 is the only policy i would consider fascist. The policies that deal with illegals enforce laws already in place which is the executive's job. If you believe these are to promote a racist fascist agenda thats just your opinion not a fact.

It's consistent with other racist policies and statements from Trump and the Trump Administration.  Certainly though most racist statements and government actions are not inherently fascist.

Item 20 is not U.S law in terms of those escaping violence as those people have the right to seek refugee status.

[Lord Admirale]

No, that's like when conservatives kept calling Barack Obama a communist. It's stupid.

This is a logical fallacy known as 'false equivalence.'

Are you gonna accuse me of racism now? That seems to be your shtick.

Only if you say something racist.

Which would probably be anything, after judging by what you said to me about Elizabeth Warren.

Not likely.   Your anti Elizabeth Warren comments are clear examples of implicit/unconscious sexism.

Maybe if you knew what I deal with and see on a daily f***ing basis, you'd understand that I'm DEFINITELY not sexist/racist/homophobic/transphobic/anythingphobic. But no, keep sitting there acting like you know my goddamn beliefs or my goddamn thought process.

I've had a LONG day, and my energy to deal with smug asshats like you is at zero.

[Friend]

I think this is a case of perception vs. reality. Maybe some see Trumps rhetoric as fascist like but nothing he done compares to truly fascist governments. Also its important to differentiate between what fascists promised in order to get into power and they actual did. Most of Trumps similarities are with the former.

Trump has actually does a lot of extreme things that the media generally doesn't report on because they focus on his extreme comments.  In addition to the list from Amy Siskind, Politico publishes a weekly "Five things Trump did this week while you weren't looking."

Any specific examples of fascism though? Extreme does not mean fascist either.

From September 1
1. Police can buy military equipment again - (re) militarizing the police
3. The fiduciary standard gets delayed for more than a year - Crony capitalism  (oddly crony capitalism is not on the list provided here, it is on the ones I've seen.)

From Amy Siskind's latest list
17. US Army recruiters are canceling contracts with hundreds of immigrant recruits, exposing some to deportation. Recruiters claim the move is to eliminate onerous background investigations from the enlistment process. - fear of difference

19. McClatchy reported the Trump regime is considering a policy which would fast-track the deportation of thousands of unaccompanied Central American teenagers who arrived at the southern border.
20. More than 150k children who arrived at the southern border, escaping violence and poverty in El Salvador, Honduras and Guatemala, would be sent back when they turn 18, without seeing an immigration judge first.

1 is the only policy i would consider fascist. The policies that deal with illegals enforce laws already in place which is the executive's job. If you believe these are to promote a racist fascist agenda thats just your opinion not a fact.

It's consistent with other racist policies and statements from Trump and the Trump Administration.  Certainly though most racist statements and government actions are not inherently fascist.

Item 20 is not U.S law in terms of those escaping violence as those people have the right to seek refugee status.

Racist policies such as???

[136or142]

No, that's like when conservatives kept calling Barack Obama a communist. It's stupid.

This is a logical fallacy known as 'false equivalence.'

Are you gonna accuse me of racism now? That seems to be your shtick.

Only if you say something racist.

Which would probably be anything, after judging by what you said to me about Elizabeth Warren.

Not likely.   Your anti Elizabeth Warren comments are clear examples of implicit/unconscious sexism.

Maybe if you knew what I deal with and see on a daily f***ing basis, you'd understand that I'm DEFINITELY not sexist/racist/homophobic/transphobic/anythingphobic. But no, keep sitting there acting like you know my goddamn beliefs or my goddamn thought process.

I've had a LONG day, and my energy to deal with smug asshats like you is at zero.

You brought this up here, not me.  Seriously, I have nothing personal against you.  I honestly don't really care about you as a person one way or the other.

[136or142]

I think this is a case of perception vs. reality. Maybe some see Trumps rhetoric as fascist like but nothing he done compares to truly fascist governments. Also its important to differentiate between what fascists promised in order to get into power and they actual did. Most of Trumps similarities are with the former.

Trump has actually does a lot of extreme things that the media generally doesn't report on because they focus on his extreme comments.  In addition to the list from Amy Siskind, Politico publishes a weekly "Five things Trump did this week while you weren't looking."

Any specific examples of fascism though? Extreme does not mean fascist either.

From September 1
1. Police can buy military equipment again - (re) militarizing the police
3. The fiduciary standard gets delayed for more than a year - Crony capitalism  (oddly crony capitalism is not on the list provided here, it is on the ones I've seen.)

From Amy Siskind's latest list
17. US Army recruiters are canceling contracts with hundreds of immigrant recruits, exposing some to deportation. Recruiters claim the move is to eliminate onerous background investigations from the enlistment process. - fear of difference

19. McClatchy reported the Trump regime is considering a policy which would fast-track the deportation of thousands of unaccompanied Central American teenagers who arrived at the southern border.
20. More than 150k children who arrived at the southern border, escaping violence and poverty in El Salvador, Honduras and Guatemala, would be sent back when they turn 18, without seeing an immigration judge first.

1 is the only policy i would consider fascist. The policies that deal with illegals enforce laws already in place which is the executive's job. If you believe these are to promote a racist fascist agenda thats just your opinion not a fact.

It's consistent with other racist policies and statements from Trump and the Trump Administration.  Certainly though most racist statements and government actions are not inherently fascist.

Item 20 is not U.S law in terms of those escaping violence as those people have the right to seek refugee status.

Racist policies such as???

Not a neutral website and though you can dispute the 'racist' intent of some of these items, taken together they certainly point in that direction:
List of policies enacted by Trump administration to further white supremacy:
1.Travel-ban executive order
2.border-protection executive order
3.Presidential Voter Integrity Commission executive order
4.repealed federal regulations against reporting pay discrimination
5.law-enforcement protection executive order
6.reinstated mandatory minimums
7.repealed Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals, or DACA
8.created commission to investigate affirmative action lawsuits
9.pardoned former Maricopa County, Ariz., Sheriff Joe Arpaio for violating constitutional rights of minorities

http://www.theroot.com/is-donald-trump-a-white-supremacist-a-racial-draft-ana-1818521332