Could Bernie Sanders have won the primaries if he was a woman?

[bagelman]

Hillary Clinton being a women was a big part of her campaign both in the primaries and in the general, and it's an obvious way to motivate progressive women to be the first female major party candidate. However, what if instead of Bernie Sanders, Clinton had to face off against Vermont Senator Barbara Sanders?

[Kyle Rittenhouse is a Political Prisoner]

Hillary Clinton being a women was a big part of her campaign both in the primaries and in the general, and it's an obvious way to motivate progressive women to be the first female major party candidate. However, what if instead of Bernie Sanders, Clinton had to face off against Vermont Senator Barbara Sanders?

Do you really think that would change the results that much?

[Xing]

Probably not, since the establishment would've still been 100% behind Clinton, and would've seen it as basically hers to lose. The results would've been pretty much the same.

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Barbara Sanders probably beats Hiram Clinton. But of course we wouldn't be hearing much about sexism, so it would be a different dynamic.

[Rookie Yinzer]

Barbara Sanders probably beats Hiram Clinton. But of course we wouldn't be hearing much about sexism, so it would be a different dynamic.

If Hillary were a man his last name certainly wouldn't be Clinton lol. I doubt a male Hillary even gets to presidential hopeful status without being married to Bill and by extension couldn't have used being apart of Barack Obama's administration to sway some of his voters.

Anyway--- a woman wouldn't have been allowed to be loud, disheveled, unspecific, and angry like Bernie. Barbara would have gotten hounded on how she planned to do all these things that would certainly require large tax increases.

[Tintrlvr]

Barbara Sanders probably beats Hiram Clinton. But of course we wouldn't be hearing much about sexism, so it would be a different dynamic.

If Hillary were a man his last name certainly wouldn't be Clinton lol. I doubt a male Hillary even gets to presidential hopeful status without being married to Bill and by extension couldn't have used being apart of Barack Obama's administration to sway some of his voters.

Anyway--- a woman wouldn't have been allowed to be loud, disheveled, unspecific, and angry like Bernie. Barbara would have gotten hounded on how she planned to do all these things that would certainly require large tax increases.

Agreed entirely. Barbara Sanders would not have been nearly as popular with lower-income white people in the Midwest and Upper South. She probably would have done a bit better with middle-income women generally, but it would not have been a particularly big difference. Overall, Barbara Sanders does worse than Bernie Sanders.

[Since I'm the mad scientist proclaimed by myself]

lolno.

[cvparty]

a better question - what if he were younger? like in his 50s or low 60s

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Barbara Sanders probably beats Hiram Clinton. But of course we wouldn't be hearing much about sexism, so it would be a different dynamic.

If Hillary were a man his last name certainly wouldn't be Clinton lol. I doubt a male Hillary even gets to presidential hopeful status without being married to Bill and by extension couldn't have used being apart of Barack Obama's administration to sway some of his voters.

Anyway--- a woman wouldn't have been allowed to be loud, disheveled, unspecific, and angry like Bernie. Barbara would have gotten hounded on how she planned to do all these things that would certainly require large tax increases.

As Hiram's female opponent would say, wrong!

https://www.nyu.edu/about/news-publications/news/2017/march/trump-clinton-debates-gender-reversal.html

[Mr. Smith]

Nope

I'd argue it'd be even harder for her to have gotten so far. She'd be lucky to win Vermont.

And against Hillard Rodham, she'd probably get very badly smeared as hysterical and no one would bat an eye.

[Dr. Arch]

a better question - what if he were younger? like in his 50s or low 60s

I think this one would have been a bigger game changer.

[Mr. Morden]

I'm not sure that a female Bernie Sanders would have done much differently.  However, I think that if the reverse was true (Sanders was male but Hillary Clinton was also male), then Sanders might well have won a plurality of the vote, simply because the "establishment" vote would've been split amongst a larger field of candidates.

Reading some of the invisible primary coverage in 2013-2015, it seemed like there was a groupthink within the Dem. establishment, according to which Clinton's two x-chromosomes were going to be an electoral asset to her.  And furthermore, that if a white male candidate defeated her for the nomination, there'd be backlash against him in the GE for "denying the country its first female president".  I specifically remember stories from within the Biden and Cuomo camps citing this as a reason for why a 2016 run would be risky.  There also seemed to be a sentiment from female candidates like Gillibrand and Klobuchar that there was a market for a woman in the Dem. primary race, but that Clinton had already filled it.

So, if Hillary Clinton was male, then I think there's a pretty good chance that we get more establishment Dems running in the primaries last year (maybe Biden, but also maybe female candidates like Gillibrand and Klobuchar), which may well have split the vote enough to give Sanders a plurality.

[60+ GOP Seats After 2018 GUARANTEED]

Basically, if Elizabeth Warren ran instead of Bernie?

[HagridOfTheDeep]

If Bernie Sanders were a woman, she would have been vilified to hell and back again as soon as she started opening her mouth about single payer decades ago. She'd be a delusional harpy and public enemy number one. Having been treated that way for years, she would have naturally learned to be very guarded with the press. Her oratoratorical skills would not showcase a loud and bombastic straight-talking politician because her voice would be too "shrill" or whiny. She would not connect with audiences and people would come to the conclusion that there's just something about her that's off.

Up against this woman, Hillary Clinton's negatives appear far less stark and she is lauded for her successful tenure as secretary of state and seen as less of a raving lunatic because she's actually gotten things done (CHIP).

The former respected cabinet secretary wins in a rout. Martin O'Malley reaches 30% in the first few states but ultimately drops out.

[Rookie Yinzer]

Barbara Sanders probably beats Hiram Clinton. But of course we wouldn't be hearing much about sexism, so it would be a different dynamic.

If Hillary were a man his last name certainly wouldn't be Clinton lol. I doubt a male Hillary even gets to presidential hopeful status without being married to Bill and by extension couldn't have used being apart of Barack Obama's administration to sway some of his voters.

Anyway--- a woman wouldn't have been allowed to be loud, disheveled, unspecific, and angry like Bernie. Barbara would have gotten hounded on how she planned to do all these things that would certainly require large tax increases.

As Hiram's female opponent would say, wrong!

https://www.nyu.edu/about/news-publications/news/2017/march/trump-clinton-debates-gender-reversal.html

That literally proves nothing. Thanks for trying though.

[Kingpoleon]

Barbara Sanders probably beats Hiram Clinton. But of course we wouldn't be hearing much about sexism, so it would be a different dynamic.

If Hillary were a man his last name certainly wouldn't be Clinton lol. I doubt a male Hillary even gets to presidential hopeful status without being married to Bill and by extension couldn't have used being apart of Barack Obama's administration to sway some of his voters.

Anyway--- a woman wouldn't have been allowed to be loud, disheveled, unspecific, and angry like Bernie. Barbara would have gotten hounded on how she planned to do all these things that would certainly require large tax increases.

As Hiram's female opponent would say, wrong!

https://www.nyu.edu/about/news-publications/news/2017/march/trump-clinton-debates-gender-reversal.html

That literally proves nothing. Thanks for trying though.

You're kidding, right? Sure, it isn't directly comparable to Sanders/Clinton, but surely you can admit the truth of the experiment and findings.