$1.5 Trillion GOP Tax Cut Thread

[junior chįmp]

The Democratic Party needs to declare war against the Republicans. Absolutely no more meetings, phone calls, or working together of any kind. The GOP does not act in good faith

This but instead of Republicans, just the rich in general.

All elected republicans are irredeemable trash

Uneccesary qualifier.

Oh so the EVIL Koch brothers who employ 100,000 Americans and have given 70 million dollars to the smithsonian.

Hammas and Hezbollah also do charitable work and employ people ya dunce

[Keep cool-idge]

The Democratic Party needs to declare war against the Republicans. Absolutely no more meetings, phone calls, or working together of any kind. The GOP does not act in good faith

This but instead of Republicans, just the rich in general.

All elected republicans are irredeemable trash

Uneccesary qualifier.

Oh so the EVIL Koch brothers who employ 100,000 Americans and have given 70 million dollars to the smithsonian.

Oh how can anyone be evil when they have people who work under them. No evil person would ever own a business.

The Koch brothers are not evil they support republicans because they will lower taxes and help the economy. Actually the Koch brothers aren’t even republican there libertarians David Koch was the VP for the libertarians in 1980.

[Keep cool-idge]

The Democratic Party needs to declare war against the Republicans. Absolutely no more meetings, phone calls, or working together of any kind. The GOP does not act in good faith

This but instead of Republicans, just the rich in general.

All elected republicans are irredeemable trash

Uneccesary qualifier.

Oh so the EVIL Koch brothers who employ 100,000 Americans and have given 70 million dollars to the smithsonian.

Hammas and Hezbollah also do charitable work and employ people ya dunce

No they don’t.
Name to me a single person the Koch brothers have killed.
Also the Koch brothers are anti war.

[junior chįmp]

The Democratic Party needs to declare war against the Republicans. Absolutely no more meetings, phone calls, or working together of any kind. The GOP does not act in good faith

This but instead of Republicans, just the rich in general.

All elected republicans are irredeemable trash

Uneccesary qualifier.

Oh so the EVIL Koch brothers who employ 100,000 Americans and have given 70 million dollars to the smithsonian.

Hammas and Hezbollah also do charitable work and employ people ya dunce

No they don’t.
Name to me a single person the Koch brothers have killed.
Also the Koch brothers are anti war.

The Koch suckers are going to kill the entire human race due to the damage they've done in discrediting climate change. No single organization on Earth is more committed to multiplying human suffering than the Republican Party. A conglomerate of corporate useful idiots who are proud of their ignorance.

[Keep cool-idge]

The Democratic Party needs to declare war against the Republicans. Absolutely no more meetings, phone calls, or working together of any kind. The GOP does not act in good faith

This but instead of Republicans, just the rich in general.

All elected republicans are irredeemable trash

Uneccesary qualifier.

Oh so the EVIL Koch brothers who employ 100,000 Americans and have given 70 million dollars to the smithsonian.

Hammas and Hezbollah also do charitable work and employ people ya dunce

No they don’t.
Name to me a single person the Koch brothers have killed.
Also the Koch brothers are anti war.

The Koch suckers are going to kill the entire human race due to the damage they've done in discrediting climate change. No single organization on Earth is more committed to multiplying human suffering than the Republican Party. A conglomerate of corporate useful idiots who are proud of their ignorance.

Really because *CLIMATE CHANGE* is killing more people a year then ISIS.

Okay progressive hack.

[junior chįmp]

The Democratic Party needs to declare war against the Republicans. Absolutely no more meetings, phone calls, or working together of any kind. The GOP does not act in good faith

This but instead of Republicans, just the rich in general.

All elected republicans are irredeemable trash

Uneccesary qualifier.

Oh so the EVIL Koch brothers who employ 100,000 Americans and have given 70 million dollars to the smithsonian.

Hammas and Hezbollah also do charitable work and employ people ya dunce

No they don’t.
Name to me a single person the Koch brothers have killed.
Also the Koch brothers are anti war.

The Koch suckers are going to kill the entire human race due to the damage they've done in discrediting climate change. No single organization on Earth is more committed to multiplying human suffering than the Republican Party. A conglomerate of corporate useful idiots who are proud of their ignorance.

Really because *CLIMATE CHANGE* is killing more people a year then ISIS.

Okay progressive hack.

America started ISIS dumbass. Once again, America invades the Middle East, destabilizes an entire region, created a power vacuum that gives ride to ISIS then just ditches the problem they created. Theres a reason why the vast majority of the world views America as a greater threat to world stability than either Iran or North Korea

[junior chįmp]

The Democratic Party needs to declare war against the Republicans. Absolutely no more meetings, phone calls, or working together of any kind. The GOP does not act in good faith

This but instead of Republicans, just the rich in general.
.

Nothing will change until the leadership of the Dems is purged. Chuck and Nancy couldn't win if they tried and I think they'd rather lose than let the "Bernouts" get control of the party. Especially Pelosi, who's been getting rolled by the Republicans since the Bush days.

The Democrats are hapless and helpless

Pelosi definitely, but you're being unfair to Schumer. His strategical skills since becoming Minority Leader in January have been nothing short of excellent, and even most Republicans would begrundingly grant you that. There's a reason he has the highest poll numbers of any Congressional leader consistently.

Schumer's a nice guy and probably the least worst of the bunch but the problem is he's been schooled in the Clinton era of politics: He just keeps wasting time trying to work with Republicans. It's never going to work. Democrats have been getting rolled by Republicans for awhile now. If he had any strategic sense, he would give up on the notion of working with Republicans on anything

[Co-Chair Bagel23]

If you go out and murder the richest person who lives in your town, and inspire one person to do the same, you will have done more to make the American economy work for everyone than any Republican in history and honestly most Democrats.

Crimson avatars in a nutshell.

Meanwhile your posts are "Nuhh I wish Democrats could work together with Republicans to only slightly murder poor people"

Hey, you know who actually murdered poor people?





Mao and Stalin.

You know who literally murdered poor people? Jason Kander as a soldier in the Iraq War

Worthless fools like you are the kind of idiots who split the vote and hand elections to far right wing nut jobs who perpetuate violence and racism, but then again, at least it's not yall in office.

I’m actually horrified that someone would actually say a war hero murdermore people then Stalin it’s horrific thing to say.

He's an ungrateful and entitled little crap, I expect nothing more of his bottom-feeding behavior.

[publicunofficial]

If you go out and murder the richest person who lives in your town, and inspire one person to do the same, you will have done more to make the American economy work for everyone than any Republican in history and honestly most Democrats.

Crimson avatars in a nutshell.

Meanwhile your posts are "Nuhh I wish Democrats could work together with Republicans to only slightly murder poor people"

Hey, you know who actually murdered poor people?





Mao and Stalin.

You know who literally murdered poor people? Jason Kander as a soldier in the Iraq War

Worthless fools like you are the kind of idiots who split the vote and hand elections to far right wing nut jobs who perpetuate violence and racism, but then again, at least it's not yall in office.

I’m actually horrified that someone would actually say a war hero murdermore people then Stalin it’s horrific thing to say.

He's an ungrateful and entitled little crap, I expect nothing more of his bottom-feeding behavior.

Why would I be greatful for the Iraq War?

[junior chįmp]

The Democratic Party needs to declare war against the Republicans. Absolutely no more meetings, phone calls, or working together of any kind. The GOP does not act in good faith

This but instead of Republicans, just the rich in general.
.

Nothing will change until the leadership of the Dems is purged. Chuck and Nancy couldn't win if they tried and I think they'd rather lose than let the "Bernouts" get control of the party. Especially Pelosi, who's been getting rolled by the Republicans since the Bush days.

The Democrats are hapless and helpless

Pelosi definitely, but you're being unfair to Schumer. His strategical skills since becoming Minority Leader in January have been nothing short of excellent, and even most Republicans would begrundingly grant you that. There's a reason he has the highest poll numbers of any Congressional leader consistently.

Schumer's a nice guy and probably the least worst of the bunch but the problem is he's been schooled in the Clinton era of politics: He just keeps wasting time trying to work with Republicans. It's never going to work. Democrats have been getting rolled by Republicans for awhile now. If he had any strategic sense, he would give up on the notion of working with Republicans on anything

That's because he's smart enough to know that a large chunk of his caucus needs to win a sizable number of Trump voters next year to not get raped in the Senate.

So he puts on a show of willing to work with Trump sometimes, but is not actually serious about doing so.

I don't think that makes much of a difference to be honest. What people think wins elections doesn't actually win elections. Whether or not red state Dems work with Trump makes no difference because Trump will campaign against them with nothing but lies in 2018 anyway.

The real problem at the core of the Democratic Party is that there's no long term strategy for anything. Everytime they win, they don't know what to do with themselves and they end up reverting back to the "let's try and work with Republicans for a bi-partisan consensus" mode. Once the GOP sees this, they just roll em every time. Just look at how badly they got ed by Collins, McCain, and Murkowski.

The Democratic Party needs a long term strategy to keep it's wins self sustaining and most importantly to splinter the Republican Party. There needs to be a strategy to pack the courts, maintain statehouses, and a coalition big enough that even a GOP victory does little to effect the over arching narrative. People like Schumer don't understand concepts like these because he wastes time thinking he can bring the Republicans to their senses but he can't and never will.

[Keep cool-idge]

If you go out and murder the richest person who lives in your town, and inspire one person to do the same, you will have done more to make the American economy work for everyone than any Republican in history and honestly most Democrats.

Crimson avatars in a nutshell.

Meanwhile your posts are "Nuhh I wish Democrats could work together with Republicans to only slightly murder poor people"

Hey, you know who actually murdered poor people?





Mao and Stalin.

You know who literally murdered poor people? Jason Kander as a soldier in the Iraq War

Worthless fools like you are the kind of idiots who split the vote and hand elections to far right wing nut jobs who perpetuate violence and racism, but then again, at least it's not yall in office.

I’m actually horrified that someone would actually say a war hero murdermore people then Stalin it’s horrific thing to say.

He's an ungrateful and entitled little crap, I expect nothing more of his bottom-feeding behavior.

Why would I be greatful for the Iraq War?

Just because the war was not good doesn’t mean that navy seals are murderers you disgusting America hating socialist hack.

[BlueSwan]

Sorry for asking a stupid question. I haven't been following the tax debacle all that closely. How are the senate getting around the Byrd rule to pass this with 51 votes?

[pbrower2a]

The Democratic Party needs to declare war against the Republicans. Absolutely no more meetings, phone calls, or working together of any kind. The GOP does not act in good faith

This but instead of Republicans, just the rich in general.

All elected republicans are irredeemable trash

Uneccesary qualifier.

Oh so the EVIL Koch brothers who employ 100,000 Americans and have given 70 million dollars to the smithsonian.

Hammas and Hezbollah also do charitable work and employ people ya dunce

No they don’t.
Name to me a single person the Koch brothers have killed.
Also the Koch brothers are anti war.

The Koch suckers are going to kill the entire human race due to the damage they've done in discrediting climate change. No single organization on Earth is more committed to multiplying human suffering than the Republican Party. A conglomerate of corporate useful idiots who are proud of their ignorance.

Inundation of the lowlands of much of the world implies the inundation of a great share of the world's richest farmland even if the farmers are not rich. Maybe the plots of land are too small.  But this said, a peasant farmer in Bangladesh has as much right to life as an American billionaire.

Inundation of lands in which hundreds of millions of peasant farmers live holds the potential for mass death on a scale that would trivialize such genocide as the Atlantic Slave Trade, the massacres of First Peoples of the Americas, the Holocaust, and the mass deaths from collectivization of Soviet and Chinese agriculture. Just to prevent the mass death, we would need a huge transplantation of peoples.

Although tropical uplands may be more fertile than tropical lowlands, non-tropical uplands are not more productive. The thin, nutrient-poor, rocky soils of subarctic regions cannot quickly become excellent farmland. The only possible expansion in the food supply would be fishing -- except that the biggest catches of fish are in cold waters, typically in subpolar areas (the Grand Banks or the Bering Sea) or in zones of upwelling waters usually to the west of desert or semidesert areas.

So in a fairly prosperous area  that now has an excellent farm productivity (like the Netherlands or southeastern Pennsylvania) fishing could not offset the loss of farming.

The Trump commitment to the burning of fossil fuels for energy  has consequences in disruption of the world's climatic patterns, melting of the Greenland ice sheet, and inundation of farmland.

Whatever your ideology you need get this straight; food production is the cornerstone of any economy except in some desert countries that have small populations and large oil reserves. Should the crops fail, then all else becomes void. It is easy to take a food supply for granted, especially if you see food only in the grocery store, in the kitchen, or on a dinner plate. Yes, the investment bankers of New York City and the computing geniuses of Silicon Valley are exceedingly clever, but no financial instrument and no electronic gadget can ever substitute for food. There is no financial wizardry or technological fix for starvation.

Sure, the Koch brothers are anti-war. They know what can happen to economic elites that support wars for profit that their countries lose. Even if the victors are firmly capitalist, the capitalists of the losing side may find themselves dispossessed as war criminals with the capitalists of the winning side taking over the assets of the losers as reparations.  Such alternative history SF as The Man in the High Castle practically takes that for granted.

  

[DavidB.]

I'm proud of Joe Manchin for standing true to his working class values, especially in the vote tonight, and delivering real quality representation, service, and votes and bills that actually serve to help those who suffer so much, and most of whom support Trump. He is delivering quality for these areas, not putting up a flaming RED veneer of bloody diarrheal bs that is either all fluster, or serves to work against the people that Trump conned.

Those who forsake the needy and vulnerable will have to answer to God. This, along with many other things exceeds politics, this is destroying thousands of lives. I am more sad and disheartened with our "leaders" tonight than anything else. Why? A very fitting verse from the Quran is below.

Surah 9 Ayah 24

Say, "If your fathers, your sons, your brothers, your wives, your relatives, wealth which you have obtained, commerce wherein you fear decline, and dwellings with which you are pleased are more beloved to you than Allah and His Messenger and jihad in His cause, then wait until Allah executes His command. And Allah does not guide the defiantly disobedient people."

Underrated post imo. Love this

[pbrower2a]

It’s great salt I should repealed now the voters are forced to elect republicans in blue states.

Can you say that again in English?

Sorry

It’s great that salt is repealed now maybe blue states will become republican.

An observation: over time, most political figures fit the political culture of the community in which they live. As a state legislature, a city council member, a DA, a mayor, or a member of Congress, one does so if one wants to get ahead in electoral politics. Contrarians rarely go far in politics. What fits the Texas Panhandle does not fit New York City -- or even a 'blue' (atlas red) city in a Red (atlas blue) state, like... Houston.

One thing that I have noticed about Donald Trump: this man is completely out of touch with New York City values. He is also far out of touch with Boston, Philadelphia, Cleveland, Chicago, Denver, Miami, Minneapolis, Seattle, or Los Angeles values. To the extent that a community in any way resembles New York City in cost of living or population density, voters reject Donald Trump. He reminds people of the capitalist that they least admire: the landlord who raises the rent at the first convenience.

It may be an oversimplification to say that landlords like Donald Trump explain why the cost of living is so high in the Bay Area or Long Island.  Maybe landlords get a bad rap for having what looks like a cash cow that requires no innovation and seems to create few jobs.  But we all know that even if one is somewhat sympathetic to capitalism one's capitalist heroes are more likely to be innovators -- whether John D. Rockefeller, Thomas Edison, Bill Gates, or Sam Walton. Definitely not some real-estate tycoon who grabs every bit of your take-home pay as is possible.

But in relatively-cheap places to live, landlords like Donald Trump are not the problem. The problem is perhaps a dying local economy as in Detroit, Cleveland, or St. Louis. Trump made promises to skin the middle class and deliver jobs. All I see him doing is transferring wealth of the middle class to a Master Class, irresponsible people to whom we will all have great responsibilities and from whom we can expect nothing in return.

I would now vote Communist before I would vote for the GOP.



 

[Silent Hunter]

America started ISIS dumbass. Once again, America invades the Middle East, destabilizes an entire region, created a power vacuum that gives ride to ISIS then just ditches the problem they created. Theres a reason why the vast majority of the world views America as a greater threat to world stability than either Iran or North Korea

Daesh was formed in Syria by an al-Qaeda splinter group after the US had left Iraq. The actions of Bush and Obama may have been a causatory factor, but the ultimate responsibility for Daesh's action rests with Daesh themselves.

[Landslide Lyndon]

Sorry for asking a stupid question. I haven't been following the tax debacle all that closely. How are the senate getting around the Byrd rule to pass this with 51 votes?

I'd like to see an answer to that too.

Also, why all this doomsday rhetoric from the Democrats? If I'm not mistaken the law takes effect in 2019 and if Democrats win the trifecta next year they can simply repeal it. There just won't be enough time for it to make irreparable damage.
And unlike ACA and the Republicans, I don't think this law will be much more popular by then.

[Tender Branson]

Good.

When was the last time Americans got a tax cut ? Can't remember.

[pbrower2a]

But the benefits all go to the Master Class this time.

If I were 30 years younger and had the chance and means with which to emigrate, I would, especially if I had children. A political system that puts the enrichment of elites above all else and treats formal education as seditious is a place for only the super-rich and those willing to be consigned to losing.

It would be far easier to learn a Slavic language than to do well in the aristocratic America now forming.

[PoliticalShelter]

Sorry for asking a stupid question. I haven't been following the tax debacle all that closely. How are the senate getting around the Byrd rule to pass this with 51 votes?

I'd like to see an answer to that too.

Also, why all this doomsday rhetoric from the Democrats? If I'm not mistaken the law takes effect in 2019 and if Democrats win the trifecta next year they can simply repeal it. There just won't be enough time for it to make irreparable damage.
And unlike ACA and the Republicans, I don't think this law will be much more popular by then.

How are democrats supposed to obtain the senate, house and presidency by 2019?

[BlueSwan]

But the benefits all go to the Master Class this time.

If I were 30 years younger and had the chance and means with which to emigrate, I would, especially if I had children. A political system that puts the enrichment of elites above all else and treats formal education as seditious is a place for only the super-rich and those willing to be consigned to losing.

It would be far easier to learn a Slavic language than to do well in the aristocratic America now forming.

Don't give up on the US! In many ways a fantastic country, that is just currently on a wrong path. I live in a great country, but I have to say that I also loved the one year I lived in the US more than 20 years. That's why I still love the country and still follow US politics after all this time. If the democrats can find a way to get people to freakin' vote, then everything is there for the taking to make the US as great as it could be!

[Landslide Lyndon]

Sorry for asking a stupid question. I haven't been following the tax debacle all that closely. How are the senate getting around the Byrd rule to pass this with 51 votes?

I'd like to see an answer to that too.

Also, why all this doomsday rhetoric from the Democrats? If I'm not mistaken the law takes effect in 2019 and if Democrats win the trifecta next year they can simply repeal it. There just won't be enough time for it to make irreparable damage.
And unlike ACA and the Republicans, I don't think this law will be much more popular by then.

How are democrats supposed to obtain the senate, house and presidency by 2019?

By next year I mean 2020.

[Person Man]

Sorry for asking a stupid question. I haven't been following the tax debacle all that closely. How are the senate getting around the Byrd rule to pass this with 51 votes?

I'd like to see an answer to that too.

Also, why all this doomsday rhetoric from the Democrats? If I'm not mistaken the law takes effect in 2019 and if Democrats win the trifecta next year they can simply repeal it. There just won't be enough time for it to make irreparable damage.
And unlike ACA and the Republicans, I don't think this law will be much more popular by then.

How are democrats supposed to obtain the senate, house and presidency by 2019?

By next year I mean 2020.

We can just run on repealing this law for 8 years if need be. It's not acceptable. Even if it takes 16.

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

The Democratic Party needs to declare war against the Republicans. Absolutely no more meetings, phone calls, or working together of any kind. The GOP does not act in good faith

This but instead of Republicans, just the rich in general.

All elected republicans are irredeemable trash

Uneccesary qualifier.

Oh so the EVIL Koch brothers who employ 100,000 Americans and have given 70 million dollars to the smithsonian.

Hammas and Hezbollah also do charitable work and employ people ya dunce

No they don’t.
Name to me a single person the Koch brothers have killed.
Also the Koch brothers are anti war.

The Koch suckers are going to kill the entire human race due to the damage they've done in discrediting climate change. No single organization on Earth is more committed to multiplying human suffering than the Republican Party. A conglomerate of corporate useful idiots who are proud of their ignorance.

Really because *CLIMATE CHANGE* is killing more people a year then ISIS.

Okay progressive hack.

Climate Change Helped Spark Syrian War, Study Says
Research provides first deep look at how global warming may already influence armed conflict.

Obama Is Right: Climate Change Kills More People Than Terrorism

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Some other progressive hack beliefs you may wish to ignore:
Smoking Will Kill 1 Billion People

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/15/drowning-lead-cause-of-death-kids_n_5155542.html

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How to protect yourself from carbon monoxide poisoning

[BlueSwan]

Running on raising taxes is always gonna be super risky and democrats knows it. That's why they are so depressed right now and probably why the GOP end up supporting this terrible bill. Even if it is unpopular it is probably electorally powerful because it is so easy to attack anyone who is running on higher taxes.