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« Reply #400 on: November 14, 2017, 03:15:54 PM »

They're f**ing serious? 13 million people will lose their insurance because of this, and it would raise something like $400 billion over a decade, which is something like 0.15% of GDP (a rather small amount of money that easily could be raised by further limiting some deductions or accepting a slightly lower standard deduction).
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« Reply #401 on: November 14, 2017, 03:21:04 PM »

Republicans figure they're gonna lose in 2018 anyway, might as well go out with a bang.
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« Reply #402 on: November 14, 2017, 03:26:59 PM »

Thank you, Justice Roberts for deeming the mandate a tax!
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« Reply #403 on: November 14, 2017, 03:27:34 PM »

Thank you, Justice Roberts for deeming the mandate a tax!
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« Reply #404 on: November 14, 2017, 03:28:18 PM »

Republicans figure they're gonna lose in 2018 anyway, might as well go out with a bang.

Probably a smart move. It's what Dems should've done in 2009-2010.
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« Reply #405 on: November 14, 2017, 03:30:51 PM »

As promised, with the mandate repeal now being included, I withdraw my endorsement of the Senate Bill and urge all Senators to oppose it.
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« Reply #406 on: November 14, 2017, 03:31:22 PM »

Republicans have to know that democrats will sell this as another health bill, right? "Take away peoples healthcare to give rich people tax cuts" is not going to be popular.
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« Reply #407 on: November 14, 2017, 03:37:15 PM »

Republicans have to know that democrats will sell this as another health bill, right? "Take away peoples healthcare to give rich people tax cuts" is not going to be popular.

Wyden has already started calling it a healthcare bill.

It takes some real political ineptitude to be outmaneuvered by the Democratic Party.
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« Reply #408 on: November 14, 2017, 04:05:23 PM »

Between mandate repeal and the end of SALT, this Senate bill would be the end of the GOP in CA, NJ, and NY. They're going to lose so many House seats.
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« Reply #409 on: November 14, 2017, 04:23:02 PM »

As promised, with the mandate repeal now being included, I withdraw my endorsement of the Senate Bill and urge all Senators to oppose it.
You do know that nobody cares, right?
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« Reply #410 on: November 14, 2017, 04:26:56 PM »

As promised, with the mandate repeal now being included, I withdraw my endorsement of the Senate Bill and urge all Senators to oppose it.
You do know that nobody cares, right?

Yes
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« Reply #411 on: November 14, 2017, 04:27:35 PM »

As promised, with the mandate repeal now being included, I withdraw my endorsement of the Senate Bill and urge all Senators to oppose it.

Just what the hell did you think was going to happen with a tax cut? They were going to try to do this anyways -- now they're just being more open with it.

I swear token moderates jizz over tax cuts without realizing... cutting taxes means you either have to cut from somewhere (health care), or you add a lot to the deficit.
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« Reply #412 on: November 14, 2017, 04:31:08 PM »

As promised, with the mandate repeal now being included, I withdraw my endorsement of the Senate Bill and urge all Senators to oppose it.

Just what the hell did you think was going to happen with a tax cut? They were going to try to do this anyways -- now they're just being more open with it.

I swear token moderates jizz over tax cuts without realizing... cutting taxes means you either have to cut from somewhere (health care), or you add a lot to the deficit.

This group is talented; they're trying for both.
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« Reply #413 on: November 14, 2017, 05:10:15 PM »

Republicans have to know that democrats will sell this as another health bill, right? "Take away peoples healthcare to give rich people tax cuts" is not going to be popular.

Wyden has already started calling it a healthcare bill.

It takes some real political ineptitude to be outmaneuvered by the Democratic Party.

Wyden has always been a step ahead of his peers. Until a GOP tax and budget plan reduces the deficit, without majorly cutting welfare, I can’t support any of it.
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« Reply #414 on: November 14, 2017, 06:14:09 PM »

As promised, with the mandate repeal now being included, I withdraw my endorsement of the Senate Bill and urge all Senators to oppose it.
#wow
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« Reply #415 on: November 14, 2017, 06:25:59 PM »

As promised, with the mandate repeal now being included, I withdraw my endorsement of the Senate Bill and urge all Senators to oppose it.
#wow

Game changer.
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« Reply #416 on: November 14, 2017, 06:46:47 PM »

OH OF THE LOVE OF GOD

...is this party for real??
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« Reply #417 on: November 14, 2017, 09:33:45 PM »

NY GOP Fund-Raiser Quits Over Tax Bill

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« Reply #418 on: November 14, 2017, 09:44:23 PM »

Part of me just wants Republicans to ruin healthcare. It'll make passing Medicaid-for-all that much easier in 2020.
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« Reply #419 on: November 14, 2017, 09:49:10 PM »

Not to say that I told you so, but I told you so.
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« Reply #420 on: November 14, 2017, 10:17:35 PM »

Part of me just wants Republicans to ruin healthcare. It'll make passing Medicaid-for-all that much easier in 2020.

No it won't.

If single-payer passes it will be because it's objectively better and progressives make a case for it, not because of whatever the GOP does.
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« Reply #421 on: November 14, 2017, 10:32:20 PM »

Part of me just wants Republicans to ruin healthcare. It'll make passing Medicaid-for-all that much easier in 2020.

No it won't.

If single-payer passes it will be because it's objectively better and progressives make a case for it, not because of whatever the GOP does.

I was attempting to be facetious, unsuccessfully.
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« Reply #422 on: November 15, 2017, 02:58:13 AM »

Whether we should spend more on education (and I agree we should) is a separate issue as to whether we do the spending via the tax code. In general, we should get rid of tax expenditures.

Besides, I've seen this argument before. It used to be that even the cash you were getting was tax-free. Taxing it would destroy higher education said the higher education lobbyists. Doesn't look too destroyed, does it?

Well, you tell me, based on the information I've given you, how am I supposed to live with that kind of a tax burden? I'm all for taxing appropriately and for the right purposes, but this is abuse.

An institution can survive fiscal blows due to sheer size and budget, but an individual and overworked graduate student will not. Institutions depend on grad students to keep them running.

Then they'll have to pay them more, won't they?  At the end of the day, this will have minimal impact on grad students, tho I'll admit it'll have some short-term pain that could be eased by phasing in the change over several years.
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« Reply #423 on: November 15, 2017, 02:39:14 PM »

Then they'll have to pay them more, won't they?

Hahahahaha, good one. Somehow I'm not seeing a public university finding more money for grad students, especially non-STEM ones.

I'm not going to make a big deal out of this because there are people far worse off than me, but yeah, this would royally screw me over too.
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« Reply #424 on: November 15, 2017, 02:55:09 PM »

Matt fuller puts o/u on 15 republican no votes

They can only afford 22

Predictt has it .45 that it doesn't pass house Tmw
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