Kasich threatens to leave GOP

[NewYorkExpress]

http://www.newsweek.com/john-kasich-says-he-cant-support-his-own-party-unless-it-fixes-itself-675100

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So is he looking at a 2020 run as an Independent or a Democrat?

[60+ GOP Seats After 2018 GUARANTEED]

He was never a Republican anyway.

And why do people keep saying Trump is anti-immigrant?

[TheSaint250]

"anti-immigration and anti-trade"?  Geez...

Here's to hoping some not Kasich runs against Trump in the primary

[Fuzzy Stands With His Friend, Chairman Sanchez]

He was never a Republican anyway.

And why do people keep saying Trump is anti-immigrant?

I can't see how folks think this.  Kasich was part of the Republican leadership in the House in the 1990s, and a 2000 Presidential candidate, who left politics to do television ("Heartland", on the FOX News Channel).  Until 2015, his conservative bona fides were never in question.  Kasich is not a moderate, and he's not a RINO.  Once upon a time, folks questioning the Republican credentials of an officeholder like Kasich would be looked upon with amazement, but those days are gone, I guess.

[Kringla Heimsins]

He was never a Republican anyway.

And why do people keep saying Trump is anti-immigrant?

It's never going to be good enough until you have Einsatzgruppen, I guess?

[TPIG]

I largely agree with his assessment that the party needs to return to its roots of supporting free trade and broad legal immigration, but I think he's just posturing to put himself in a position to run in 2020.

[Holy Unifying Centrist]

John Kasich used to be considered fairly hard right lol. How times have changed.

[Arbitrage1980]

I largely agree with his assessment that the party needs to return to its roots of supporting free trade and broad legal immigration, but I think he's just posturing to put himself in a position to run in 2020.

Trump is totally wrong on trade, but I think he is right on immigration. Build the wall, pass the Cotton-Perdue Bill, and grant legal status (not citizenship) to DACA recipients in exchange for a fine or military service.

[Arbitrage1980]

Kasich is really pissing me off. If he wanted to stop Trump, he should have dropped out after the New Hampshire primary and endorsed either Rubio or Cruz. Instead, his ego wouldn't let him quit, and he played a major role in Trump winning the GOP nomination.

[Holy Unifying Centrist]

Trump is totally wrong on trade, but I think he is right on immigration. Build the wall, pass the Cotton-Perdue Bill, and grant legal status (not citizenship) to DACA recipients in exchange for a fine or military service.

Immigration is pretty important for jobs. We have a really really large aging population that has trouble working (this is an issue because the working class population has to pay hella money to pay for old people's social security and medicare... and then said working class people get very few of the benefits). We're not doing a good job replacing the workforce with babies from people in this country. Thus, we need to import immigrants to this country. Educated immigrants with valuable skills are preferred, but we need uneducated immigrants as well to do jobs the American people don't want to do.

Or we could not import immigrants and eventually lose our economic power to China because China has a far far larger population than us.

[OSR stands with Israel]

Kasich is really pissing me off. If he wanted to stop Trump, he should have dropped out after the New Hampshire primary and endorsed either Rubio or Cruz. Instead, his ego wouldn't let him quit, and he played a major role in Trump winning the GOP nomination.

Maybe Rubio shouldnt have done so badly in NH.


Kasich came in 2nd in NH not Rubio , due to Rubio self destructing at the NH debate

[AtorBoltox]

So quit the party or shut up

[Rookie Yinzer]

Hot air.

[SATW]

pls leave. would be hillarious to see him become a nobody independent

[Canis]

pls leave. would be hillarious to see him become a nobody independent

He didn't threaten to leave I watched the interview he just said he wouldn't support a GOP that was anti immigration and trade then tapper asked if he is planning on leaving the party he said no he's gonna fight to fix it

[OSR stands with Israel]

pls leave. would be hillarious to see him become a nobody independent

Kasich has had more conservative accomplishments then most republicans by far

In the house :


- he balenced the budget when he was the budget chairman in the house

- was not a hypocrite when it came to fiscal issues (supported cutting waste even when that waste was supported by his own party )

- got welfare reform passed


As governor:

- turned an deficit into a surplus

- reformed Ohio criminal justice system

- helped turn around Ohio Economy (and make it the best out of any state in that region )


which current  republicans have this type of record , and the ones who don't how are they better than Kasich and why should they get to define what the GOP is over Kasich .

[HisGrace]

He still sounds so naive. The odds of the Dems not going full socialist are better than the odds of the Republicans being a not terrible party at any time in the near future. It's a party of "populist nationalism" now (if only there was one word for that instead of having to use two) not a conservative or limited government party.

I still fully support Trump getting a primary challenge from a national figure if he's still around in 2020, just to weaken him for the general.

Kasich is really pissing me off. If he wanted to stop Trump, he should have dropped out after the New Hampshire primary and endorsed either Rubio or Cruz. Instead, his ego wouldn't let him quit, and he played a major role in Trump winning the GOP nomination.

Maybe Rubio shouldnt have done so badly in NH.


Kasich came in 2nd in NH not Rubio , due to Rubio self destructing at the NH debate

Yeah, if anyone should have dropped out after NH it was Rubio. Cruz probably wins Florida without Rubio in the race.

[Santander]

pls leave. would be hillarious to see him become a nobody independent

[Illini Moderate]

It's honestly just sad to see politicians (left and right) get crap for refusing to support their party on issues they disagree with. A big problem these days is that many seem to think that in order to be a Republican or Democrat, you have to agree with the parties entire platform completely. That's simply not the case

[NewYorkExpress]

pls leave. would be hillarious to see him become a nobody independent

He didn't threaten to leave I watched the interview he just said he wouldn't support a GOP that was anti immigration and trade then tapper asked if he is planning on leaving the party he said no he's gonna fight to fix it

I don't believe that denial for a second.

[Canis]

pls leave. would be hillarious to see him become a nobody independent

He didn't threaten to leave I watched the interview he just said he wouldn't support a GOP that was anti immigration and trade then tapper asked if he is planning on leaving the party he said no he's gonna fight to fix it

I don't believe that denial for a second.

Saying you wouldn't support a GOP doesn't mean leaving it Romney didn't support Trump in 2016 neither did the bushes would you say that their not Republicans?

[NewYorkExpress]

pls leave. would be hillarious to see him become a nobody independent

He didn't threaten to leave I watched the interview he just said he wouldn't support a GOP that was anti immigration and trade then tapper asked if he is planning on leaving the party he said no he's gonna fight to fix it

Saying you wouldn't support a GOP doesn't mean leaving it Romney didn't support Trump in 2016 neither did the bushes would you say that their not Republicans?

I don't believe that denial for a second.

The Bushes haven't said they're not going to keep supporting the party. They probably are hoping Trump gets removed from office sooner rather than later, because they strongly prefer Pence to Trump.

[Mr. Morden]

Like I said in the other thread about this, my read on this is that Kasich potentially runs against Trump in the 2020 GOP primaries, and then once Trump defeats him and Kasich loses, Kasich once again refuses to endorse Trump in the general election, but this time says that he's leaving the party altogether, claiming that he can't stick with a Trump-ified version of the GOP.  Of course, should a non-Trumpy candidate be nominated in 2024, then he'd rejoin the party.  He'll be out of office as governor by 2019 in any case, so it's not like his party affiliation after that makes much difference.

[Hindsight was 2020]

Honestly I think Ben Sasse would be better to primary Trump if we are talking about the parties future

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

The problem is that parties evolve over time, as do ideologies. Protectionism and nativism are traditionally conservative ideologies, the only reason people see this as alien is because for the last 30 years, the opposite has been conservative dogma. But it wasn't always that way, and it won't always remain that way. Traditionalism and societal stability (be it religious or otherwise in basis) has long been a fundamental tenant of Conservatism stretching back centuries, and both of them are at odds with the results of lassiez capitalism and free trade, especially the disruption of middle class communities, decline of schools, infrastructure and rise in crime, that all come with the factories going over seas.

Democrats have spent the last 15 years calling them racists and ignorant from their fancy houses in Los Angeles and the Upper East Side. While the Republican Party has at various points, lured them into the fold first with continually re-emphasizing social issues, and turning a wink and a nod to unsavory movements in exchange for energy and enthusiasm that they could co-opt and ride into power all the while singing themselves to sleep with fantasies about how once the top tax rate is 25%, everything will be gum drops and rainbows. So naturally, you now have WV voting 65% Romney, instead of 55% or 60% for Bill Clinton.


A lot of people who now are Republicans were either not old enough, or were Democrats in the 1980's. And a lot of the voters that powered the 1980's GOP are 1) Dead or 2) Overwhelmingly outnumbered electorally in those states and counties by changed demographics (looking at your Orange Country). So you take in a bunch of Jacksonian Democrats, lose or have get politically neutered, a large number of high end suburbanites. The end result is a party that is skeptical of trade and immigration.

But then the GOP donors react in horror when they realize the only way to win on such a platform requires them to moderate on economics to go after the Midwest and the decline of religion means social issues won't cut the cheese there. So they try to forcibly turn the clock back to 1985 on immigration, hoping that if they just can get immigration reform enough, the Latinos will fall in love with Randian economics and power them to victory for decades to come. Instead, this leads to the destruction of their golden boy savior from Florida (who was to that point the perfect candidate to unite the establishment and base) and once again reminds the base Republicans of why they revolted against the Bush family to begin win (See 2007 Immigration Bill), as well.

The Republican Establishment built this party over the years, slowly, without realizing it they build up a majority that disagrees fundamentally with it on economics because they were the only way to get to 51%. The current establishment are the rebels and insurgents who took over the party from the Rockefellers, the Movement Conservatives. The problems they seek to solve have not existed for almost 40 years, but they keep peddling the same solutions and the same answers, meanwhile the factories keep leaving and the schools get worse as the revenue dries up, crime goes up and housing values go down. The Democrats think you are evil, so they are not an option.

All you need to do is realize just how many of you there are, and how few the establishment there are. Then a 70 year old fruit cake takes a ride on an elevator.

I supported Romney in 2012 and supported Kasich from 2013 onward. But I predicted this transformation in 2012: https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=146557.msg3145166#msg3145166

I am from the rust belt, I grew up driving past rusting factories and saw pain of a father who found himself lost in the modern economy. It is easy to pontificate, lecture and look down on people who worked liked hell and got rewarded by having their lives, their retirements, their families and their marriages wrecked.

He is not going to give a damn about your Hayek book. He is going to go out and vote for Donald Trump because he is tired of getting F@^K in the ass by the GOP establishment and treated like dirt by the Democrats.

The two party evolution marches on. As more high end technocrats leave for the Democrats, more lower middle class people will find refuge in the Republican Party. Either way you slice it their numbers are going to increase as a percentage of the party relative to the whole, meaning that while the next Republican President will likely be a mild mannered Midwest Governor or Senator, with a lot of experience and none of the qualities personality wise that define Trump, The agenda will largely be defined as responding to and answering the demands of the same impulses that propelled Trump to victory.