US votes against UN Ban on Death Penalty for Homosexuality

[Attorney General, LGC Speaker, and Former PPT Dwarven Dragon]

http://www.newnownext.com/u-s-votes-against-u-n-ban-on-death-penalty-for-homosexuality/10/2017/

Seriously, Nikki Haley? Seriously?

#EveryoneToldMeHaleyWasAModerateBecauseSheTookDownTheConfederateFlag

[NewYorkExpress]

I love how we now agree with pro-jihadist Saudi Arabia on this issue. (sarcasm)

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

Disgusting. Not that a UN ban would be effective, of course. But still disgusting. This is the odious influence of Pence.

[Kingpoleon]

An ineffective ban, to be sure. If she were the deciding vote, Haley would support it. However, we can't risk hurting our relationship with Saudi Arabia, Iraq, India, China, and Japan at this time.

[Middle-aged Europe]

Obviously, she felt this was a states rights issue.

[America Needs R'hllor]

An ineffective ban, to be sure. If she were the deciding vote, Haley would support it. However, we can't risk hurting our relationship with Saudi Arabia, Iraq, India, China, and Japan at this time.

I doubt that Japan, China and India would be terribly offended if America supported a ban on murdering people because of the sexual orientations.

[dead0man]

Did we have a thread for this last December when we did the exact same thing?

[TDAS04]

WTF?

An ineffective ban, to be sure. If she were the deciding vote, Haley would support it. However, we can't risk hurting our relationship with Saudi Arabia, Iraq, India, China, and Japan at this time.

China and Japan decriminalized homosexuality before the US did. 

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

Let's the states decide.

[Dr. MB]

An ineffective ban, to be sure. If she were the deciding vote, Haley would support it. However, we can't risk hurting our relationship with Saudi Arabia, Iraq, India, China, and Japan at this time.

Of those only the Saudis have the death penalty.

Saudi Arabia is perhaps the worst country in the world besides North Korea. And the government is best friends with them. It's a cult like dictatorship which doesn't give a damn about its own people.

Shame on you to everyone who voted against this. Including Nikki Haley.

[Kingpoleon]

WTF?

An ineffective ban, to be sure. If she were the deciding vote, Haley would support it. However, we can't risk hurting our relationship with Saudi Arabia, Iraq, India, China, and Japan at this time.

China and Japan decriminalized homosexuality before the US did. 

They voted against this ban...

[Simfan34]

You people don't think Haley took this on her own initiative, do you? She receives orders on how to vote, that is how the UN works. Furthermore, this was the UN Human Rights Council, which is in Geneva. Most importantly, the resolution apparently called for the total abolition on the death penalty. This is explained in the US's explanation of vote statement. I can't find the text of the resolution, but obviously the US isn't voting for a resolution that calls for the abolition of the death penalty. Which is also almost certainly why China and Japan also didn't vote for it-- they also maintain capital punishment. (Furthermore, this resolution wouldn't be banning anything-- only formal conventions impose binding bans)

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https://geneva.usmission.gov/2017/10/03/u-s-explanation-of-vote-resolution-on-the-question-of-the-death-penalty/

EDIT: The whole resolution is pretty anti-death penalty, and they would've have problems with a lot of the language. but I imagine the paragraph the US found most problematic would've been the 16th preambular paragraph (the ones starting with gerundives): "Strongly deploring the fact that the use of the death penalty leads to violations of the human rights of the persons facing the death penalty and of other affected persons"

[SATW]

You people don't think Haley took this on her own initiative, do you? She receives orders on how to vote, that is how the UN works. Furthermore, this was the UN Human Rights Council, which is in Geneva. Most importantly, the resolution apparently called for the total abolition on the death penalty. This is explained in the US's explanation of vote statement. I can't find the text of the resolution, but obviously the US isn't voting for a resolution that calls for the abolition of the death penalty. Which is also almost certainly why China and Japan also didn't vote for it-- they also maintain capital punishment. (Furthermore, this resolution wouldn't be banning anything-- only formal conventions impose binding bans)

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https://geneva.usmission.gov/2017/10/03/u-s-explanation-of-vote-resolution-on-the-question-of-the-death-penalty/

EDIT: The whole resolution is pretty anti-death penalty, and they would've have problems with a lot of the language. but I imagine the paragraph the US found most problematic would've been the 16th preambular paragraph (the ones starting with gerundives): "Strongly deploring the fact that the use of the death penalty leads to violations of the human rights of the persons facing the death penalty and of other affected persons"

Thank you for sharing, Simfan. A reasonable and logical explanation.

[Kingpoleon]

You people don't think Haley took this on her own initiative, do you? She receives orders on how to vote, that is how the UN works. Furthermore, this was the UN Human Rights Council, which is in Geneva. Most importantly, the resolution apparently called for the total abolition on the death penalty. This is explained in the US's explanation of vote statement. I can't find the text of the resolution, but obviously the US isn't voting for a resolution that calls for the abolition of the death penalty. Which is also almost certainly why China and Japan also didn't vote for it-- they also maintain capital punishment. (Furthermore, this resolution wouldn't be banning anything-- only formal conventions impose binding bans)

You must be logged in to read this quote.

https://geneva.usmission.gov/2017/10/03/u-s-explanation-of-vote-resolution-on-the-question-of-the-death-penalty/

EDIT: The whole resolution is pretty anti-death penalty, and they would've have problems with a lot of the language. but I imagine the paragraph the US found most problematic would've been the 16th preambular paragraph (the ones starting with gerundives): "Strongly deploring the fact that the use of the death penalty leads to violations of the human rights of the persons facing the death penalty and of other affected persons"

That does explain the suspicious fact I brought up - that China, Japan, and India voted against this.

[Alabama_Indy10]

Did we have a thread for this last December when we did the exact same thing?

[America Needs R'hllor]

You people don't think Haley took this on her own initiative, do you? She receives orders on how to vote, that is how the UN works. Furthermore, this was the UN Human Rights Council, which is in Geneva. Most importantly, the resolution apparently called for the total abolition on the death penalty. This is explained in the US's explanation of vote statement. I can't find the text of the resolution, but obviously the US isn't voting for a resolution that calls for the abolition of the death penalty. Which is also almost certainly why China and Japan also didn't vote for it-- they also maintain capital punishment. (Furthermore, this resolution wouldn't be banning anything-- only formal conventions impose binding bans)

You must be logged in to read this quote.

https://geneva.usmission.gov/2017/10/03/u-s-explanation-of-vote-resolution-on-the-question-of-the-death-penalty/

EDIT: The whole resolution is pretty anti-death penalty, and they would've have problems with a lot of the language. but I imagine the paragraph the US found most problematic would've been the 16th preambular paragraph (the ones starting with gerundives): "Strongly deploring the fact that the use of the death penalty leads to violations of the human rights of the persons facing the death penalty and of other affected persons"

Thank you for sharing, Simfan. A reasonable and logical explanation.

Yeah. Still, the UN should introduce a new vote that purely bans any criminalization of sexual or gender minorities, let's see how everyone votes then. Right now, the Human Rights Council is an absurd organization where Saudi Arabia sits and gloats while being one of the most horrible countries on human rights.

[SATW]

You people don't think Haley took this on her own initiative, do you? She receives orders on how to vote, that is how the UN works. Furthermore, this was the UN Human Rights Council, which is in Geneva. Most importantly, the resolution apparently called for the total abolition on the death penalty. This is explained in the US's explanation of vote statement. I can't find the text of the resolution, but obviously the US isn't voting for a resolution that calls for the abolition of the death penalty. Which is also almost certainly why China and Japan also didn't vote for it-- they also maintain capital punishment. (Furthermore, this resolution wouldn't be banning anything-- only formal conventions impose binding bans)

You must be logged in to read this quote.

https://geneva.usmission.gov/2017/10/03/u-s-explanation-of-vote-resolution-on-the-question-of-the-death-penalty/

EDIT: The whole resolution is pretty anti-death penalty, and they would've have problems with a lot of the language. but I imagine the paragraph the US found most problematic would've been the 16th preambular paragraph (the ones starting with gerundives): "Strongly deploring the fact that the use of the death penalty leads to violations of the human rights of the persons facing the death penalty and of other affected persons"

Thank you for sharing, Simfan. A reasonable and logical explanation.

Yeah. Still, the UN should introduce a new vote that purely bans any criminalization of sexual or gender minorities, let's see how everyone votes then. Right now, the Human Rights Council is an absurd organization where Saudi Arabia sits and gloats while being one of the most horrible countries on human rights.

Agreed on all counts.

[Figueira]

Why does anyone still support the death penalty at all? It's one of those things that there's literally no reasonable argument for.

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

WTF?

An ineffective ban, to be sure. If she were the deciding vote, Haley would support it. However, we can't risk hurting our relationship with Saudi Arabia, Iraq, India, China, and Japan at this time.

China and Japan decriminalized homosexuality before the US did. 

They voted against this ban...

Sure, if the US voted for the ban Japan would've expelled U.S. troops at once.

[Kingpoleon]

WTF?

An ineffective ban, to be sure. If she were the deciding vote, Haley would support it. However, we can't risk hurting our relationship with Saudi Arabia, Iraq, India, China, and Japan at this time.

China and Japan decriminalized homosexuality before the US did. 

They voted against this ban...

Sure, if the US voted for the ban Japan would've expelled U.S. troops at once.

It's increasingly clear this article is a bit of fake news.

[JonHawk]

The Saudis have the US by the balls